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American experts are saying 5 American submarines with Tomahawk missiles can destroy the Chinese Navy. China has no chance. How true is this?
Quora ^ | Tomaž Vargazon

Posted on 05/31/2023 10:38:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: PIF

Yeah. Posted before I looked closely at the graphic.


61 posted on 05/31/2023 12:29:49 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Perhaps we should be less concerned with who we might offend and more concerned with who we inspire.)
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To: al baby

Not funny.


62 posted on 05/31/2023 12:30:06 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: himno hero

Don’t remember, was too long ago, and not memorable


63 posted on 05/31/2023 12:31:07 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Always pays to read the blurb closely. Else foolish things ensue.


64 posted on 05/31/2023 12:32:16 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
Milley is out - the new guys is even worse. He’s likely give targeting data on US assets to them.

Yes, Charles Q. Brown Jr. He's not just trying to be racially empathetic like Milley, rather, he's a straight-up BLM supporter, and has said he wants to reduce white officers by 10% during his term

87% of Air-Force pilots, for example, are white. He's telling them - you have NO future in the military. F*** him. Let his gender-fluid BIPOCS take on the Russians and Chinese.

65 posted on 05/31/2023 12:37:43 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Joe Brower

Like using a boulder on a mouse I would think. Tomahawks deliver nukes, primarily (specials).

You could use 1 nuke per Chinese warship, but why would you?


66 posted on 05/31/2023 12:41:43 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
All of the Tomahawks I've seen go boom had conventional warheads. Thankfully.

Why not use 1 nuke per Chinese warship? Well, it would be fun to watch. Although I see the ChiComs pushing the big red button themselves about 1 second later, which would be bad.

67 posted on 05/31/2023 12:46:51 PM PDT by Joe Brower ("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I’m sure I’m wrong but I didn’t think a Tomahawk cruise missile could be launched from a sub.

When are some pi$$ed off Injuns going to demand that they change the name? < /sarc >

68 posted on 05/31/2023 12:49:19 PM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Noumenon

“Nice 3 Gorges Dam you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.”


69 posted on 05/31/2023 1:05:06 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: ConservativeInPA

Harpoons problem is range. The Tomahawk has 10x the effective range.


70 posted on 05/31/2023 1:16:38 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, just to be a contrarian, I believe that China does have some hypersonic missiles. Or they could buy some from Russia, whom we KNOW has them. Much harder to defend against. And if they attack in a swarm, even harder to defend.


71 posted on 05/31/2023 1:18:38 PM PDT by meyer (FBI = KGB for the DNC; IRS = Gestapo)
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To: SeekAndFind
As one of the comments noted, the current model of Tomahawk is the much upgraded Block V. It has a range of one thousand miles and can strike moving targets at sea. With networked capabilities, it can even be fired in the general direction of an adversary and then get directed to a target by a recon platform like a satellite or aircraft, even an unmanned one.

Here's a plausible wartime scenario. China declares that they will invade and take Taiwan by a date certain. The US warns that they will be opposed, so China attacks some American ships and aircraft to show they mean business.

The Chinese Navy -- which has limited sea experience -- then puts a formation out to menace a lurking American carrier task force in the western Pacific. Suddenly, out of nowhere, a couple of dozen Tomahawks appear and take out several Chinese warships. And this happens every time the Chinese try to gather forces at sea.

Just how eager or able will the Chinese then be to repeat the experience? Might they abort their intended attack on Taiwan? Or be able to succeed if they try it anyway?

As odd as it sounds, both the US and China have fought such battles hundreds of times in detailed computerized war games and exercises. The results get analyzed and reported upward to military and national decision-makers and become part of training, doctrine, and strategy. My guess is that is one of the reasons why American submariners are touting the capabilities of the Tomahawk. As best as can be assessed in peacetime, it is a genuinely formidable weapon against ships at sea.

72 posted on 05/31/2023 2:04:31 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Brian Griffin

> China will probably invade by airborne - lots of paratroopers into a fairly small & remote area.

> The seaside defenses of Taiwan are too strong.

a taiwan version of “red dawn” might make an interesting movie.


73 posted on 05/31/2023 2:17:16 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SeekAndFind

I would imagine the Chicons have ripped off our blue prints of the Phalanx system at a minimum and that is 40 year old tech. It isn’t going to be that easy.


74 posted on 05/31/2023 6:55:56 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Truthsearcher
the Chinese Navy is no match for the US Navy,

A strong navy needs a strong industrial base. So the USA industrial base is no match for the Chinese industrial base.

75 posted on 05/31/2023 7:02:05 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: TonyinLA

It’s not how many ships you have at the start of a war. What is important is how may you have at the end.


76 posted on 05/31/2023 7:04:56 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: PIF

They do’t have enough for that, not that I’m good with the idea of any of them hitting us.


77 posted on 05/31/2023 7:24:59 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: central_va

Sure that’s one of the keys, along with others such as technology, training, experience etc.

The US advantage in those areas are far ahead of the slight advantage China has in manufacturing.


78 posted on 05/31/2023 11:20:32 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher

We sink one ChiCom ship they build 5 more. They sink one of ours and we struggle to make a replacment. INDUSTRIAL BASE IS EVERYTHING.


79 posted on 06/01/2023 2:47:31 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

They do’t have enough for that,

In all likelihood, unless you ahave inside PLA knowledge, they do.

They have several hundred DF-41 MIRVd missiles already in place. Each one carries ten 2kt nuclear warheads or one 10kt thermonuclear warhead. They are both road-mobile and fixed silo launch points in Inner Mongolia, out of range of any possible US interception.

We have no, NO defense against them - all hail 0bama/BiteMe! All of them, unless they fail, will hit - all hail Bill Clinton!


80 posted on 06/01/2023 6:09:11 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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