Posted on 07/06/2023 9:57:26 PM PDT by ganeemead
Yes, I think they do, but why? Do they want to see America destroyed, and would they prefer the Russians do it, so they think they can avoid blame?
Sorry, this is pro Russian bullcrap.
Ukraine is a country recognised as sovereign and independent by the United Nations. In the exact same way the Russian Federation is.
Ukraine’s sovereignty and independence is recognised AND GUARANTEED in over a dozen international agreements including two Soviet era Accords, the Helsinki agreement, its successor the Belovezha Accords, the Budapest Memorandum, two further border agreements with Russia, AND their security guarantees from China in December 2013.
Because of that mountain load of assurance, Ukraine has every right to join whatever security or trade alliance it likes and Russia has absolutely no credible right to veto them.
Ukraine has trade agreements and security guarantees from China (Belt and Road + assurance equivalent to the Budapest Memorandum).
Ukraine ALSO had trade and security assurances from Russia.
Ukraine ALSO had NATO partnership (not membership) - which Russia hates.
Ukraine tried to do a trade deal with the EU, Russia argued it should be present at those negotiations and be able to veto the bits it didn’t like.
Russia can take a flying f**k at a rolling donut. Nobody can tell Russia who it can and can’t do trade deals with. Nobody can tell Russia it can’t accept approaches from countries wishing to become new members to the CSTO, BRICS or CIS. Nobody tells other countries that they’ll be invaded if they attempt such an approach.
The same is the case for every other trade bloc, every other security alliance, and every other UN Charter nation state.
But Russia thinks the rules that apply to every other country on the planet, don’t apply to Russia.
This is not a civil war. China WANTED Ukraine to have trade deals with China, Russia AND the EU. The EU wanted the same. Ukraine wanted it.
Russia demanded a whole bunch of stuff it had no right to demand, some of its demands are technically impossible. It is at war with the West and with NATO because the world listened to its irrational demands and replied “that’s not how it works.”
Ukraine could be in the Belt and Road, in CSTO, a CIS partner, an EU outer ring partner (like Turkey and Macedonia) AND be a NATO partner. That’s what the USA, UK, EU, BRICS including China, and Ukraine itself wanted.
Retard Russia wasn’t having it. Toughshitskyi. The only thing that proves is, Russia is a delusional paranoid rogue nation.
Russia doesn’t even have a million troops now
Why are you continuously posting lies?
Never saw those before
Does Cuba have the right to have a Russian military base on its soil including nuclear armed missiles?
Is Kosovo a country?
Is the Monroe Doctrine no longer applicable?
hardspunned —> This is not a “NATO” escalation.
NATO is providing Ukraine with weapons to fend off its attackers - the Russians
This is NATO’s proxy war going belly up. Apparently the Poles and Lithuanians are working on the initial plans to deploy troops to Ukraine.
It’s a lot easier to do the “Great Reset” when you’re rebuilding from scratch with a traumatized, decimated population.
Kabar - the delusional part was not letting Ukraine and Georgia into NATO in 2008 when they applied.
Germany and France rejected it, for fear of “provoking Russia”.
6 weeks after Georgia’s application to NATO was rejected - Putin invaded Georgia.
If France had not been chicken in 2008 and had admitted Georgia to NATO then Putin would not have invaded Georgia in 2008 nor Ukraine in 2014 and then in 2022.
Putin initiated this war as he still has dreams of grandeur - of the restoration of the Tsardom of the Romanovs
“NATO’s expansion” is Kremlin propaganda.
Why did Poland, Romania, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania etc. request to join NATO?
Because they KNEW the Russian federation was dreaming irredentist dreams.
Russia complaining about the smaller countries joining a mutual defense pact is like the school bully complaining that all the smaller kids are bandying together to prevent him bullying any one ot them.
Note that the countries that didn’t request to join NATO are either vassalized like Belarus or have been invaded - like Georgia and Ukraine
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A civil war is a war between organized groups in the same country.
Ukraine and Russia have been de facto separate countries for 30 years and de jure separate countries for 77 years
Ukraine in 1945 had amendments to the Constitution of the Ukrainian SSR were accepted, which allowed it to act as a separate subject of international law in some cases and to a certain extent, remaining a part of the Soviet Union at the same time. In particular, these amendments allowed the Ukrainian SSR to become one of the founding members of the United Nations (UN) together with the Soviet Union and the Byelorussian SSR.
This means that the Russian invasion of 2022 was definitely NOT a "civil war"
Reno - to end the fighting there is only one option - for Putin to withdraw Russian troops. No other scenario will end the fighting
Scenario 1 (touted by the pro-Russian folks here) - that Russia takes over all of Ukraine. Even if tomorrow all countries stop sending weapons to Ukraine, the Ukrainian people will still fight against their occupiers. The bloodshed would continue.
Scenario 2 - a deal where Putin’s Russia keeps it’s current ill-gotten gains. Even then the blood shed will continue - because of internal groups fighting Russian occupation AND, because Russia will use the opportunity to take a breather and wait for the world’s attention to go elsewhere and then will attack again in a few years.
Interesting
Victor Davis Hanson could clear this up in a minute
MacGregor.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
F’ Ukraine and Russia.
What are you smoking?
Macgregor has been consistently wrong
Let me repeat that for you "MacGregor has been consistently wrong and you putinists keep adoring him
Here are the errors MacGregies has made about Ukraine
Feb 27, 2022 “Now the battle in Eastern Ukraine is almost over, the Ukrainian troops are largely surrounded and cut off, now they have a concentration down in the southeast in 30 to 40 thousand , and if they don't vend, surrender the next 24 hours, the Russians will ultimately annihilate them”,
March 2022 "The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over, all of the Ukrainian troops there have been largely surrounded and cut off. You have a concentration down in the Southeast of 30 or 40,000 of them, and if they don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them."
The Siege of Maruipol would last almost three months beyond that 24 hour prediction.
On March 6 on Fox Business, he found an explanation for why it didn't happen.
“At the first five days, the Russian forces, I think, were too gentle. They have now corrected that. So I would say another 10 days this should be completely over.
Over a year later, this clown is still wrong, and you keep listening to him. I have to ask - why?
March 16, 2022
“”The war is really over for the Ukrainians”, “They have been grounded to bits. There’s no question about that”
15 MONTHS after that and it ain't over
Then on 8th of July 2022: "The war, with the exception of Kharkiv and Odessa, as far as the Russians are concerned is largely over. There is no intention to do anything else"
And a few months later Russia was pushed out of Kharkiv and are actually further away from Odessa than they were in July 2022
July 2022 about HIMARS: It will have no effect on the current situation. Our administration does not want to admit that these military actions are long lost.
September 12, 2022
“this war may soon end,” and added: “The Ukrainian army is bled, tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers are killed or wounded, Ukraine is really in the balance.”
This was the day after the liberation of Izium, Balakleia and Kupiansk - and before the Ukrainian army liberated Kherson.
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Only brain dead snowflakes who support Putin would still believe MacDaddy
I haven′t found a single statement by MacGregor about Ukraine war that didn’t turn out flat out wrong or worse shortly thereafter. It’s not really a question why MacGregor says the things he does, he’s either delusional or on the Kremlin’s payroll (or both). The real question is why would anyone still pay attention to what he’s saying? His credibility was shredded within the first 14 days of the invasion
oh and MacGRegies Feb 2023 claim "We just don't have ammunition to send. We have reached the limit; our own reserves are rapidly coming to an end." -- In reality, for most categories of ammunition, the U.S. can provide support to Ukraine indefinitely. Only for two types of ammunition -- 155 mm artillery ammunition, which includes a wide variety of non-precision projectiles, and 155 mm Excalibur GPS-guided precision artillery shells -- the United States may have a shortage in the coming years if it doesn’t replenish.
However, the U.S. has already moved to increase munitions production to avoid shortages
MacDaddy shows he is a Kremlin puppet every time he opens his mouth.
Please read my post above about the numerous wrong statements by MacGregor
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