Posted on 07/30/2023 8:30:11 AM PDT by fireman15
Must Reading before considering Linux
Major Linux Problems
on the Desktop, 2023 edition
https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
I have a lot of storage space never throw any computer hardware or software away. I have physical computers going back to the early 1980s... Timex Sinclair 1000, TI-99/4A, Commodore 64, Spectravideo sv-328, Atari, etc. etc. along with examples from nearly every generation of IBM PC types with both Intel and AMD processors. Most of them work although it is very important to check the power supplies before trying to boot any of them otherwise you can end up with some fried vintage equipment. I also have many virtual machines and emulator setups. Yes, I am a weirdo.
I am definitely a hold out when it comes to changing operating systems. I can vividly recall resisting the change from DOS with Word Perfect and Lotus 123 to Windows. And then resisting the change from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95. And I resisted the change from 95 to 98 to 2000. And then I resisted the change to Windows ME and then to XP, and then to 7. And I especially remember being angry about Microsoft using heavy handed tactics to force 10 down our throats.
But with 11 they decided to tell those of us with older hardware that we weren't invited to the party! How dare they! I am pretty sure that they are using some type of reverse psychology on us.
So, I definitely sympathize and feel the same way that you do. I especially hate it when your old hardware won't work with the newer operating systems. And it makes me mad when they screw with your ability to manage your menus, shortcuts, and favorites. But for that there are always work arounds. And usually until I spend some time with an operating system I feel like things are going backwards.
But, every time somehow, they eventually suck me in and I end up liking the operating system that I resisted. Windows 11 was released in October of 2021 and they have ironed out the bugs. If you buy a new PC that is likely what it is going to come with. So I don't really think that they are regressing. I dual boot most of my laptops and also use virtual machines. For me Linux is more of a supplementary play thing and Windows is my workhorse. I do not see that changing any time soon.
Press Windows key + R. Type services.msc, then hit Enter.
Search for Windows Update.
Right-click on Windows Update, then select Properties.
Under General tab, set the Startup type to Disabled.
Click Stop.
Click Apply, and then click OK.
Restart your computer.
When you want to resume updates change the Windows Update settings in services.msc back to automatic or manual by using the same steps
That would work, but it would be painfully slow. You would likely be better off doing a normal install. If you want to do a clean install starting from a blank disk you should create a Microsoft.com account and add your “device” to it which will create a digital license which you can use on the same machine even if it is an OEM license. It is always better to buy a cheap new SSD and install it in your machine that rather than erase everything on the current drive. The problem if you have old hardware is that you cannot do an upgrade from your current system without doing a clean install. Apparently with new ISOs using the normal procedure using Microsoft's tool for creating your media sometimes even that will not work.
I went and read it. 99.9% of those problems have been cured. The author of that article did not remove (cured) issues from over ten years ago from that list. The author is dishonest when claiming this is all “up to date” in his title. If he had it would be an extremely short list. If you actually had any current experience with Linux you would know this fact. So the fact you referred to this outdated article shows you do not.
Yes, I have run into this. This is not a recent development. I am not sure why it is done, but I too suspect malevolent motivation.
Thank you! Hubby has 2 Win 10 laptops and has constant issues. My refurbished Dell, and el cheapo Asus, laptops chug along.
Knock wood. Don’t want to jinx myself here.
It is often not as straight forward as one would assume. The actual nasty surprise that many do not know how to correct is that when you install Linux to dual boot with Windows, Grub takes over the boot process and often screws up the “Windows Update”. Sometimes this just causes Windows not to update but sometimes it can cause you to go into a boot loop where you end up doing multiple restarts before you can even get back into Windows.
If you change the settings in Grub so that Windows is the default operating system, most of the time this is corrected, but not always. Any dual boot Linux installation can cause problems that many cannot figure out how to fix.
“I went and read it. 99.9% of those problems have been cured. “
Just the first one nullifies your statement.
“is it possible to not download the updates”
For Win 10, 11?
Not sure about that. When MS was still supporting Win 7 I set it to not do auto updates — just to be prompted.
Years later I still get the notice that update at available. It’s a trick. I think Fauci is behind it.
“I can vividly recall resisting the change from DOS with Word Perfect and Lotus 123 to Windows.”
That would be me. WP for DOS was powerful. When it succumbed to Windows, it lost a lot of functionality. Sprint by Borland also was a powerful word processing application.
I think that you have a short memory. From the days of Windows 3.1, manufacturers were constantly loading up their computers with bloatware designed to sell stuff. It got so bad that sometimes the brand-new computer would barely run. Sometimes you were forced to hunt down all the necessary drivers and do a clean install before you had a useful machine.
These days most of the time you just have to turn off all of the notifications that are constantly popping up. Usually, the machine still works OK unlike in years past. Microsoft has been a stereotypical big tech company for many years. I loved Windows 7 but it has its own issues. Microsoft didn't spend all the money they did on it out of the goodness of their heart. Although I tend to agree that Satya Nadella, is probably worse than Steve Balmer and/or Bill Gates when it comes to creating a never-ending revenue stream by trying to switch everything to subscription services. And they will probably get there unless the advertising angle makes them enough money to avoid it. So be careful what you wish for.
For Win 10, 11?
Yes, there are ways to turn off the automatic updates in Windows 10 and 11. My post 43 in this thread covers just one of the methods.
I won't tell you what I do for a living, I will tell you that I have full inter-operability seamlessly with those I do business with.
Did it take some work on my part? YES. Was it fairly easy? YES. Did anyone notice the difference? NO. It really depends on what your use cases are, what your needs are, and interoperability requirements.
In 5+ year, I can honestly say I've experinece so few interoperability requirements I cannot remember them.
I helped teach a class on the macro language included in later versions of Lotus 123. It was a great tool that was in my opinion was much easier to use than Microsoft's Visual BASIC. For the class I rewrote some programs that I had done Microsoft's original BASIC to do the same thing for a demonstration. Most of the students were familiar with BASIC at that time. The programs went from hundreds of lines down to dozens.
“I skimmed through that and I’ll tell you right now: complete B.S.”
Your buddy couldn’t even deny the first item ...
I understand the issues you speak of about Grub and dual booting. But honestly, with the Mint installer I have never had this issue arise. All the dual boot installed machines have always worked great updates and all, both Linux and Windows.
But what I have ran into is several other CMOS settings which need to also be changed so that MS does not try to lock out the Linux from booting. Or even switch your boot order back to windows as the primary OS over the Linux. Had that happen a few times and had change more CMOS settings to cure it.
But as far as boot order goes they should all come from the factory with the order as USB-CDROM-then internal drive/network. There is no reason why it should not look for external devices or CDs before booting from the hard drive or network. The time to look for these first is instantaneous anyhow. It is a ploy to prevent competition.
“Your buddy couldn’t even deny the first item ...”
Because I was off sitting on the pot and didn’t get to reply to it yet.
Anyhow that is no longer a problem anymore... Drivers have been built. Seriously, your mind is ten years behind the current Linux reality.
“Anyhow that is no longer a problem anymore... Drivers have been built.”
Please cite.
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