Posted on 08/30/2023 5:14:39 PM PDT by ransomnote
Maybe HI will stop voting for Dems now?
I have seen a lot of cars that were set on fire, deliberately. That is what they look like. Lots of flammable stuff inside a car.
The Dems in Hawaii and everywhere else will vote Dem again, they’re smart, they know now they’ll get DEW’ed if they don’t! 😉
Yep, and it burns hotter and faster in a high wind.
interesting at least.
I tend to discount the usage of some kind of d.e.w.
probably I may heard of them in passing in the aftermath of 9/11 but I really don’t recall, certainly it was not in the thick congressional investigation which I read.
toady I had to look up what d e w meant.
in any case, I know about rockets, and I know something about spacecraft and satellites .
We do not have space based weapons like this because of the power requirements (or if we do we would not use them on hawaii cause they would be insanely expensive and probably one time use)
Power, do you know how much power it would take to do something like this ?
I built lasers in the 70s C02 lasers were cool as were Argon ones.
could they do massive damage ? No
I think we may have Directed Energy Weapons, but realistically they would have to be ground based.
if they were space based I could hypothesize about power sources, but short of an antimatter or nuclear power source I am not sure how you get it.
Certainly it would be far cheaper to use a bic
On the other hand if I were designing some system like this I might launch satilites with a large mirror array.
if one of the elements did not move properly you could have some out of target hot spots.
Still think it is very unlikely
I’ve seen the video. I think the point the reporter was trying to make is this. Why is there vegetation, in range of the videographer, that isn’t burned? I get the tree point, I’ve seen two and actually driven through one forest fire in my lifetime.
Something smells with the state rescinding eminent domain regulations in the recent past as well as the governor endorsing theb15 minute city theory.
Or it may have been a wind induced natural disaster.
Whatever it was I still don’t trust our government anymore. Heck, they care more about Ukraine than their own citizens.
They don’t build ‘em like they used to.
The following excerpt is from NDU website. Wiki says of NDU:
National Defense University
Higher educational institution in WashingtonThe National Defense University is an institution of higher education funded by the United States Department of Defense aimed at facilitating high-level education, training, and professional development of national security leaders. Wikipedia
https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Documents/prism/prism_8-3/prism_8-3_Obering_36-46.pdf
PRISM 8, NO. 3 FEATURE S | 37
Directed Energy Weapons
Are Real . . . And Disruptive
By Henry “Trey” Obering, IIIDE weapons include high-energy lasers, high-power radio frequency or microwave devices, and charged or neutral particle beam weapons.
Microwaves and lasers are both part of the electromagnetic spectrum, which includes light energy and radio waves. The distinction between them is the wavelength/frequency of the energy. While they are both part of the electromagnetic spectrum, laser and microwave weapons operate very differently and have very different effects.
SNIP
Lasers can be categorized as gas, solid state, or a hybrid of the two. The lasers on the current path to weaponization include solid state combined fiber and crystal slab as well as hybrid lasers. Fiber lasers are lasers in which the active medium being used is an optical fiber that has been doped in rare elements, most often Erbium. Slab lasers represent one class of high-power solid-state lasers in which the laser crystal has the form of a slab.
Hybrid lasers such as a diode pumped alkali laser use a combina- tion of trace gas with semiconductor diode arrays for even higher power and efficiency. The destructive power of directed energy weap- ons (their lethality) derives from the amount of energy transferred to the target over time. This concentrated energy can have effects across the entire spectrum from non-lethal to lethal. For example, lasers can cut through steel, aluminum, and many other materials in a matter of seconds.
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https://defenseinnovationmarketplace.dtic.mil/2022-directed-energy-and-non-lethal-weapons/
"Directed Energy is an umbrella term covering technologies that relate to the production of a beam of concentrated electromagnetic energy or atomic or subatomic particles. Examples include: high-efficiency laser sources and high-power RF systems, including pulsed power sources, micro-/millimeter wave sources, and antennas. Directed energy weapons use directed energy to incapacitate, damage, or destroy enemy equipment, facilities, and/or personnel.
SNIP
Today, Directed Energy weapons are being developed by the US and its adversaries for land, sea, and air and space applications. On land, this includes base defense, where DE can provide a deep magazine, long-range engagement, and low cost-per-shot against proliferated threats. Other land-based applications include clandestine target engagement using the ability of high-power microwaves to penetrate structures, invisible to the naked-eye, and damage or interrupt electronics without harming humans. On the sea, in the air, and in space DE weapons can provide platform self-defense. In a world of expanding, potential, DE military capabilities, a determination of scenarios that bound potential futures is a key input to creation of a national strategy that will shape the future to the advantage of the US and prevent our rivals and adversaries from obtaining them."
From other images I saw, I believe this was a directed energy weapon attack on these people. Most likely by the American government itself.
This is stupid. The grass fire started the car fire, but the car fire burned the car down at car fire temps. Grass fire temps having nothing to do with it because the fuel souce changed from grass to car materials.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), marktwain wrote: I have seen a lot of cars that were set on fire, deliberately. That is what they look like. Lots of flammable stuff inside a car.
The windshield melts at a temperature of 2200 degrees Farenheit. This was not the result a molotov cocktail. The heat level required does not match 'cars set on fire' and the heat would have to be sustained for a long time to get this level of damage. Grassfires top out at 700 Degrees. Look at the pics - very little grass and not all of it burned. With a fire that hot everything would be blackened.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), nuconvert wrote: 9th picture down makes it look like it’s in a burn area.
There is burn area near it and in the distance-it's part of the post catastrophic wild fire areas in HI. It hasn't been there long enough for the crumbling debris or piles of ash where tires used to be to blow away or be removed. It's Hawaii so they would notice a burned out car within site of the road. Certainly the police noticed it.
Burning cars exceed 1500 degrees. Once ignited, they burn down like this unless extinguished.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), Valpal1 wrote: This is stupid. The grass fire started the car fire, but the car fire burned the car down at car fire temps. Grass fire temps having nothing to do with it because the fuel souce changed from grass to car materials.
"A vehicle fire can generate heat upwards of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind that water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit and that most foods are cooked at temperatures of less than 500 degrees Fahrenheit. Flames from burning vehicles can often shoot out distances of 10 feet or more."THe fire would not be hot enough, focused enough, or burn long enough to explain the damage in the images.
Tire fires are hot. Once something ignited the tires (plastic bumper running into flying embers?), the melted Aluminum & Magnesium alloys in the wheels and engine is not surprising.
Am experiment with some industrial tires has a chart showing them reaching a high temperature around 1100 C very quickly (over 2000 F), and staying there for 20-30 minutes, slowly dropping as it burns itself out over an hour or two.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), chuck allen wrote: “ The video, which was originally posted to TikTok, initially shows a short clip of what appears to be molten metal (identified as aluminium in the voiceover) spilling out from a burnt-out car in Maui.
It then cuts to a speaker, who claims that the aluminium in the wheels “needs a minimum of 660 Celsius for it to melt” and that there is “not a fire that could create that kind of heat”.
This is not true. The average temperature of a forest fire specifically is around 800°C with extremes of up to 1,200°C—far higher than the melting point of pure aluminium (approximately 660°C).
Furthermore, the metal part of the wheel is often made of aluminium alloy, meaning the aluminium is mixed with other metals (though they can also be made of steel or pure aluminium). This can reduce the melting point, though the melting point of steel is much higher than aluminium.”
This was a grass fire. There isn't enough fuel in a grass fire to burn hot enough and long enough.
Forest fires - yes. But in the Paradise fire (2018) images at the bottom only the houses burned to dust, including porcelain toilets, but the trees were still green. The car in the Paradise pics melted while the telephone pole and some trees were relatively untouched.
A vehicle fire can generate heat upwards of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit.
The average forest fire sends temperatures rocketing up past 800 degrees Celsius (1,472 degrees Fahrenheit), hot enough to cremate a human or melt a camera.
The heat from a car when it’s on fire may cause the windows to break, but there are examples of car windows melting in the heat of a fire. Wildfires can reach temperatures in the range at which glass can burn.
Can we stop this nonsense now, nutjobs used to get banned from this site, Michael Rivero comes to mind, and there were others. Enough with this D.E.W. nonsense!
Go search some photos from other fires. The Tubbs fire maybe in Cali.
Lots of photos of melted aluminum on the ground.
I suppose when the chemicals such as oil and gas ignite it gets hot enough.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
It was a car fire started by grass. Use logic. Car fires are hot hot hot and glass breaks or melts and so will aluminum.
Bullshit, I’ve seen many burned out cars look like this. Especially if the car is full of camping equipment and clothes or methmaking chemicals. Maui has a sizable homeless population.
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