Posted on 11/28/2023 6:18:47 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
In Youcrayne, as in Russia, (and for that matter most ex-Soviet satellite countries), corruption is endemic, entrenched and a big part of the culture. The "con," the "reach-around" is acceptable, if not praiseworthy, in these cultures. I've worked with many Eastern Europeans. Corrupt, scheming and devious to the core. In comparison, the Arabs I worked with for years were trustworty. That says a lot.
This EU/media "membership" kabuki is just a bit of window dressing, shot through with globalist desperation, to soften the blow when the West is soon forced to pull the plug on the disaster it helped create.
Turkey's been on a path to EU membership since 1987. That's 36 years. . . Youcrayne's just as corrupt as Turkey is so my guess is though Youcrayne might be "put on a path" to EU membership it might actually become an EU member sometime in the year 2376, if ever. And let's face it, there's a serious possibility that there won't be an EU to join within a decade, or less. Then, of course, there might not be a Youcrayne in six months the way the war's going.
“Eastern Europeans. Corrupt, scheming and devious to the core”
…and mostly in the EU.
“it won’t be for a decade or more.”
That is not the position of the EU leadership, Scholz or Macron.
“when the West is soon forced to pull the plug”
Forced? That is nonsense.
Russian conventional forces would not last a week against NATO. Just Poland, or just Turkey alone would likely be insurmountable for Russia at this point. Nuclear use would bring the rapid end of Russian society.
The nation’s of the Ukraine Contact Group have over fifty times the GDP of Russia (before the sanctions). The plus ups to their defense budgets to fund the war in Ukraine have been on the order of their annual inflation adjustments to their defense budgets - a few percentage points.
The West already paid the big cost last Winter, to cut off Europe’s dependency on Russian gas. That was Russia’s only economic forcing function, and it is gone.
Italy has a bigger GDP than Russia. So does Texas, or California. The West does not even need to go to a wartime economy to defeat Russian forces (which are already consuming 40% of the Russian Federal budget, which in turn has grown to half the nation’s GDP)
Russia can not even force Ukraine - much less force fifty other countries at the same time. And let’s face it, there’s a serious possibility that there won’t be a Russian Federation within a decade, or less
Great! Then we can immediately stop pissing away US taxpayers' hard-earned money on Youcrayne, one of Europe's most corrupt nations, since Russia's on its last legs anyway. Looks like all that Youkazoid talk about the incipient rise of "CCCP 2.0" is just hysterical fantasy. (Which of course, it is.)
“Great! Then we can immediately stop pissing away US taxpayers’ hard-earned money on Youcrayne”
Not till the job is done, and Russians lose their taste for conquest - at least their ability.
So far, the only country Putin has been able to force back into his CCCP 2.0, has been Russia. No more free elections, massive oppression and censorship, the Government consuming more and more of the economy, and endless aggression to conquer more.
But that is his vision for the world.
Actually that's the biden/Wef complex that you're describing.
You cannot have it both ways. Either Russia is a powerhouse intent on conquering Europe or it is a half busted out craphole, only slightly less of a craphole than Youycrayne is. In two years, it hasn't conquered the laughable Youcrayne in battle, proving that all that Youkazoidal bullshit about Putin being the next Hitler is just that; fantastical bullshit believed only by old Cold Warriors who are still pissed off that they never got "their war." 'Eff them.Not one cent more for Youcrayne. Not our circus. American tax dollars belong in the US right now, not being filtered into the pockets of foreign and domestic kleptocrats. These two countries/territories have been slugging it out for more than 100 years to one degree or another. Let them have at it. I don't GAF about them nor do most conservatives in the US.
Putin has had his military attacking, since his first day in office. After his swearing in, he flew to Chechnya, and had the Russian Commanders form up. He told them to do whatever it takes to win, and then went down the line and put a knife in each one’s hand.
The next day he invited his so-called “second father”, Anatoly Rakhlin, a lifelong member of the St. Petersburg mafia, to lunch at the Kremlin, to begin the large scale theft, that is reported to have made Putin personally the richest person on Earth, with over $200 Billion in mostly hidden assets.
Chechnya (twice), Georgia, Syria, Libya, Congo, Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger; Putin has kept his military and covert Military Intelligence (the GRUs “Wagner Group”) busy around the world, conducting armed robberies for him.
He won’t stop, he must be stopped.
If he is allowed to take Ukraine, he will only use the stolen resources for his insatiable greed, and to fund continued aggression. The Ukrainians will be used as the meat waves against his next victim, like the LDR and DPR have been. It is all he does, and he works very hard to undermine, destabilize and weaken America on every front, to clear the path for his continued crime spree.
This "he must be stopped before x x x x" has been the rationale of every failed Neocon project of the past few decades. No more US blood and treasure must be thrown at endless wars that "mysteriously" benefit only the same cast of nefarious characters again and again and again.
When it comes to the Russia/Ukraine endless beef ask yourself a simple question: Why is nearly every anti-US, anti-West, anti-conservative, anti-Christian, anti-White, anti-Trump .org, NGO and individual, including the vast majority of Democrats and RINOs, the vast majority of leftists, the WEF, the UN, criminal grifters like the Biden Family and nearly the entire leftwing media and its rabid, nutbag "talking heads" division backing Ukraine? I'll bet a king's ransom that if Russia was still communist, the very same crowd - with a few exceptions - would be backing Russia instead.
At this point, whatever those scumbags are for, I am reflexively against because they never have my best interests in mind about anything.
“Why is nearly every anti-US, anti-West”
That fits Putin.
He promotes an end to the dollar, and an anti-US, anti-West coalition (BRICS+) to re-write the International order, to enable his wars of conquest and brutal oppression.
He wants an end to International rule of law, so his mafia orc world vision can run amok. His FSB (and KGB before that) has long directed efforts to attack the USA, stoking racial, class and gender divisions,; corrupting officials and sponsoring election interference. He is an enemy of America, who does what he can against us, until he can grow strong enough to do more.
BeauBo: Not till the job is done, and Russians lose their taste for conquest - at least their ability.
____________________________________________________________________ No, Biden. The “job” as far as our tax dollars are concerned is to use this war to launder billions of *our* dollars that will enrich a bunch of Democrats and RINOs as well as helping their upcoming election campaigns.
I believe we’ve sunk enough of our money into that crooked venture.
Let the UkieYapYappers start a GoFundMe or something.
No thanks man, I'll pass. I have more important things to do right now like trimming my nose hairs and scratching my b*lls.
Again, no sale - not one penny more for Youcrayne. America should help broker a peace deal and help end the senseless carnage now.
I take note of your exchange to observe that "till the job is done" has no metric by which it can be measured. Marvelous rhetoric, alongside "as long as it takes," but a simple question shows it naked like an Emperor.
"Not till the job is done," even if it takes twenty years? That would be the measure of Viet Nam (my era when in the Army) and we know the end of that tale. Oddly rather a similar end to the tale of Afghanistan, that war which Obama said could be won.
"Not till the job is done," even until the nation is wholly bankrupt?
The problem with rhetoric of so many kinds is that it is not a plan with metrics by which to consider the plan sensible or far-fetched.
Happy thoughts to you.
“ twisted apologetics and Mobious Strip-type “explanations” why RuZZiaaa Bad and Youcrayne Good”
Russia is attacking, Ukraine is defending.
Russia violated every single tenet of the Geneva and Hague Conventions (to which it is a signatory), commuting widespread, deliberately planned atrocities. Also the UN charter. Ukraine has observed the laws of war.
Russia continues to threaten other countries with the same justifications that it used to attack Ukraine. Ukraine threatens no other countries.
I want not a single cent of my money going to Youcrayne. Ever.
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