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How do you tell if your phone is tapped?

Posted on 03/31/2002 9:01:51 AM PST by FreedomDeb

Hi! Came across this site doing a search on phone tapping. I am trying to find out how to tell if my phone is tapped without having to use special equipment to do so. I have good reason to believe this is a possibility, thus the question here.

Whenever my phone rings, before it actually rings, it does a very slight, momentary partial ring. The phone I used to have did a momentary "whirring" type sound prior to ringing. Whenever I go to dial my phone, as soon as I turn it on (a tone cordless), it sounds as if it is doing a one second pulse connection prior to dial tone. Does anyone know what this is? And if it is a wiretap, how do i get rid of it?

Any help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks!


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1 posted on 03/31/2002 9:01:51 AM PST by FreedomDeb
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To: FreedomDeb
Why do you feel your phone is tapped? I've had individual phones which did that before--replacing the phones stopped the behavior.
2 posted on 03/31/2002 9:04:37 AM PST by dinodino
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To: FreedomDeb
Get a tin foil hat and listen for radio stations in your fillings.
3 posted on 03/31/2002 9:06:05 AM PST by zarf
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To: FreedomDeb
Yeah, it's definitely tapped. You'll have to shell out a small fortune in order to get it untapped. Go to www.militia-nuts.org and send away for their untap kit. What have you been doing to suspect and fear that anyone would care to listen to what you have to say, anyway?
4 posted on 03/31/2002 9:07:27 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: FreedomDeb, TravisMcgee
Hi Deb ! This man may be able to help you , and welcome to FReerepublic !
5 posted on 03/31/2002 9:07:45 AM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: FreedomDeb
Welcome Freeper. First you need to find a roll of aluminum foil...
6 posted on 03/31/2002 9:07:55 AM PST by steveo
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To: Cultural Jihad
LOL ! Dont scare her off CJ ..
7 posted on 03/31/2002 9:09:00 AM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: FreedomDeb
Only speak French.... That'll make them wonder....
8 posted on 03/31/2002 9:09:09 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: dinodino
This has been ongoing for almost three years. Have replaced the phones at least four times. All of the phones do something weird prior to ringing,no matter if they are cordless or not. I have very good reason to believe the phone was initially a wiretap by Federal Agents, but since the Federal Agents could not get what they were looking for and went away, the tap was never removed and/or has been taken over by the local police. No, i'm not paranoid or crazy. There is factual information to support what I have said here.
9 posted on 03/31/2002 9:09:21 AM PST by FreedomDeb
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To: FreedomDeb
This should take care of it: AFDB
10 posted on 03/31/2002 9:10:09 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: FreedomDeb
And if it is a wiretap, how do i get rid of it?

Bummer. You'll have to call the phone company and demand that they remove the government-mandated tap on your phone line. Just tell them that this is FreedomDeb calling, and what you want has precedence over what the local Federal judge wants. They'll understand.

11 posted on 03/31/2002 9:10:17 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: FreedomDeb

Since the FBI and local police know all about your case anyway, why not go ahead and describe it in detail to us, with all the necessary references so that it can be independently verified.

12 posted on 03/31/2002 9:12:28 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: FreedomDeb
Never mind Ma Bell. This sounds like a case for Art Bell
13 posted on 03/31/2002 9:12:44 AM PST by itsLUCKY2B
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To: FreedomDeb
What you have described is the normal operation of a cordless phone. On top of that, don't you think that if you're using a cordless, it's being listened to anyways by some dolt with a scanner? (Unless you have a spread-spectrum phone, which the Feds can hack.) If you're that freaked about a tap that probably isn't there, you really shouldn't have a cordless phone, now should you?

As for 'how to get a tap removed,' stop doing whatever it is you're doing that's getting your phone tapped.
14 posted on 03/31/2002 9:13:28 AM PST by July 4th
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To: FreedomDeb
That's kind of scary . . . Why don't you just have it disconnected and get a cell phone ?
15 posted on 03/31/2002 9:13:56 AM PST by Crowcreek
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To: dorben
Someone with a cordless phone comes here griping about taps. That doesn't make any sense. ;)
16 posted on 03/31/2002 9:14:31 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: FreedomDeb
If your computer is set to hang up when you get a call, the phone will act as you described.

It acts exactly the same way on my phone.

Either that, or my phone is being tapped.

17 posted on 03/31/2002 9:14:44 AM PST by spectre
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To: FreedomDeb
Seriously Deb, my cordless handheld does the same thing. I've always just figured it was the phone or the lousy Ameritech connection. Believe me, I have nothing of interest for LEO's to listen to.

I don't even know why I have the phone because my preference is my cell phone.

The only calls on my land line are annoying sales calls. I hope someone can help you out.

18 posted on 03/31/2002 9:16:08 AM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: FreedomDeb
How do you tell if your phone is tapped?

Easy...while on the phone, threaten to do something seriously evil, and if the FBI kicks down your door soon after...you'll have your answer. ;o)
19 posted on 03/31/2002 9:16:37 AM PST by wheezer
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To: spectre
Web-Tv{sucks} does it like that as well, oh well, sigh, I wuz hopin' my phone was tapped too, I'm so bored.
20 posted on 03/31/2002 9:17:11 AM PST by norraad
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To: FreedomDeb
"...I am trying to find out how to tell if my phone is tapped without having to use special equipment ..."

Call a friend, say "the bomb is set to go off at (some time the next day)," and hang up. If you get visitors, you will know your phone was tapped.

21 posted on 03/31/2002 9:17:40 AM PST by gatex
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To: FreedomDeb
Ok, I'll bite,If your phone is tapped, you can really have some fun with those that are tapping your phone, and get them to stop tapping it at the same time. What a wonderful opportunity to bring some excitement to your life, as well as the local federales. You could use this tap to plant disinformation with whoever is tapping, and the only limit to how much fun you can have, is your imagination. Meanwhile, go buy one of those pay per use disposable cell-phones.
22 posted on 03/31/2002 9:20:03 AM PST by krogers58
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To: itsLUCKY2B
Is Art Bell he retarded son of Ma Bell{"that dull witted bitch"}?
23 posted on 03/31/2002 9:20:54 AM PST by norraad
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To: FreedomDeb
call 411 and ask for osama bin laden somewhere in afghanistan
24 posted on 03/31/2002 9:20:58 AM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: FreedomDeb
You know, you are lucky. You are so busy looking for the bad guys who are trying to 'get you' that you don't have time to be paranoid.
25 posted on 03/31/2002 9:24:46 AM PST by lawdude
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To: FreedomDeb
My second line that I use exclusively for internet connections acts like it's tapped. Not so much any more, but I used to not have a dial tone about half the time.

I'd pick up the phone or try and make an internet connection and ..... nothing there, but the line sounded open.

I went through all the procedures suggested by the phone co. to no avail. I had them out to the house twice. The phone co. could never do anything about the problem but the service techs where strangley sullen and almost hostile.

I even bought a new modem. No good. I got a new puter with another modem. No good. I started talking into the dead phone whenever this happened. I could tell the line was open. The phone sounded like there was someone at the other end. You know, those little hollow electronic, barely audible clicks and buzzes. I would tell the $*%)!*@&#$%$*@&@#$! jack booted thugs on the other end whenever my phone wouldn't work what sort of farm animal they probably were presently cohabiting with. I also explained to them they were wasting the taxpayers money as I was only a tax paying, conservative voting, keyboard commando. It took awhile but the phone rarely has the no dial tone problem anymore. Either they gave up or got better equipment.

26 posted on 03/31/2002 9:27:42 AM PST by mercy
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To: FreedomDeb
Why not play x-rated tapes into your phone?

After about 5 minutes, listen for heavy breathing...

27 posted on 03/31/2002 9:29:16 AM PST by Nachum
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To: FreedomDeb
Looking at the problem from a purely technical perspective, I would seriously doubt that the behavior of the phone(s) you describe would indicate that a tap is present. The internet has caused phone companies to update virtually every "switch" in the world. These switches are all digital and could easily copy each and every word on a particular line without any mechanical/physical connection to the phone line itself. Since these switches are actually computers, it is more than likely accomplished with a computer program than any actual wiring which would produce a "load" on the circuit. This also implies that it will be impossible for any gadgets/people to detect a tap for you.

It is a fascinating topic, however, and I'm interested to hear what more knowledgable FReepers have to say on the topic. You might want to repost this on Monday or Tuesday, as you will probably have a broader and different audience than during this holiday weekend.

28 posted on 03/31/2002 9:29:22 AM PST by Jolly Green
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To: gatex
LOL
29 posted on 03/31/2002 9:29:54 AM PST by mercy
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To: FreedomDeb
FR moderators may help you rid yourself of some personal abuse problems you are encountering on this thread, Deb. These are some of the posting guidelines:

"Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

If you feel these are being violated by certain people here, click on the 'abuse' box below such a post.

30 posted on 03/31/2002 9:30:49 AM PST by tpaine
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To: FreedomDeb
For 200 bucks, you could find out for sure.

link

31 posted on 03/31/2002 9:31:32 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: FreedomDeb
I worked in the "industry" for some time, and I can say that you would never know that your phone was tapped....!!
32 posted on 03/31/2002 9:32:53 AM PST by thinking
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To: FreedomDeb
Soltuion: Get a cell phone. Of course, I'm sure that will develop strange behavior of its own in time.
33 posted on 03/31/2002 9:34:08 AM PST by good_ash
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To: FreedomDeb
One of the requirements on equipment used by Law Enforcement to intercept communications is that it not change the behaviour or operation of the phone in any way that would be detectable by the caller.
34 posted on 03/31/2002 9:34:18 AM PST by Lessismore
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To: FreedomDeb
Modern law enforcement "taps" are not detectable. They copy the digital information at the telephone company's switch, and there is no electrical characteristic you could look for in your circuit.

A sneaky neighbor who has illegally run an extension of your phone line to a place they can listen in - that is another matter. If the "tap" is as simple as an extra phone, you can measure the change in impedence taking an extra phone off-hook would cause. This requires a $20 multimeter from Radio Shack and a little know-how. Or you could carefully visually inspect your line all the way back to the utility pole.

36 posted on 03/31/2002 9:34:24 AM PST by eno_
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To: FreedomDeb
I guess you realized that this is not the place to ask such a question. Most here are intensely preoccupied with W's activities and GOP's number of congressional seats - apparently, there is this superstition that the more 'seats' the GOP has in Congress, the better off the country - don't ask me how or why.

In any case, a good, solid, gov't tap should not impact or affect the operation of your phone. It's probably your local company or the equipment you are using. Did you call the phone co. and discuss this with them?

37 posted on 03/31/2002 9:34:55 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: FreedomDeb
Hate to be the one to tell you and everybody else this, I wished I didn't know myself.

But, not only the Feds, but many local police can listen in on your phone line, cordless or hardwire, without ever touching a single wire.

Ever seen a phone line tester/locator and how it works?

38 posted on 03/31/2002 9:35:07 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: StriperSniper
Yea, I went through the tin foil hat stage too. But, after a year I decided it was high time to find a way to wash my hair. So, I covered my entire house with foil.

Of course, I can't stay inside my house all of the time. So, for just $599, I’m fully protected and going in style with my anti-psychotronic armor suit.

It may be just a coincidence, but one of the benefits is that people no longer bother me with needless chitchat and, kids stopped hitting balls into my backyard. And, when they do, they won’t come get them. So, I have quite a collection.

Life has been so much better since I got my new suit. I’m impervious to psychotronic control. So, those pesky “human descendants of alien reptiles who want to create a global fascist state” (also known as HDOARWWTCAGFS’s) flee when I arrive. Now, I get the whole grocery store to myself. There’s never a wait at the checkout. In fact there’s never anyone to check me out.

This is me in the garden.

39 posted on 03/31/2002 9:37:56 AM PST by Barnacle
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To: FreedomDeb
Usually tapping is done when you get a phone call and no one answers. The person on the other end is trying to find out which line goes hot when you pick up the phone and then taps it later on. That is the only way to know without going through the lines with a volt meter to check abnormal power drops. You could also use a volt-amp meter (probably amps are better) on your phone line. Usualy when they start to tap there might be a power drop to notice. But they have materials to avoid that to happen too. THen there is the checking for electronic transmissions through the airwaves too. I dunno how else to do it, I am not an expert.
40 posted on 03/31/2002 9:38:11 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: FreedomDeb
The way to get rid of the tap is to make local calls to a complying friend several times a day and play music like Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry, Be Happy" and Kenny Loggins "Footloose" movie soundtrack for hours at a time. Anybody listening in on your phone conversations will go insane and stop listening within a few days.
41 posted on 03/31/2002 9:38:17 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: FreedomDeb
From what I have observeed over the years the only way to tell if there is a court order wire tap on your line is to keep up with what ever it is you are parniod about.
Soon enough,in the dead of night,your door will be broken down and your residence will be full of "SWAT" team members from what ever agency you offended.
Hope this helps.
42 posted on 03/31/2002 9:40:44 AM PST by vavavah
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To: FreedomDeb
Have replaced the phones at least four times.

Radio shack has you pegged.

43 posted on 03/31/2002 9:42:06 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: lavaroise
Taps are done inductivley
44 posted on 03/31/2002 9:42:08 AM PST by vavavah
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To: eno_
http://www.howstuffworks.com/static/question250.htm
45 posted on 03/31/2002 9:42:17 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: tpaine

LOL!

47 posted on 03/31/2002 9:43:23 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: FreedomDeb
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you.
48 posted on 03/31/2002 9:45:10 AM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: FreedomDeb
Deb, First of all, cordless phones often have weird ounds in the back, especially if you are to far from the base.

Second, why would anyone tap your phone? Are you a drug kingpin? Mafioso? Informant?

49 posted on 03/31/2002 9:46:26 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
She hasn't posted in over 40 minutes. Do you think they got her?
50 posted on 03/31/2002 9:49:07 AM PST by NC_Libertarian
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