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Can anyone recommend an automobile to survive an Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) attack?
ReveBM | 05/13/2002 | ReveBM

Posted on 05/13/2002 11:25:37 AM PDT by ReveBM

Can anyone here recommend a particular model of auto that should theoretically be able to survive an Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) attack? I am assuming in this case that the car would be far away from the nuclear explosion to not be affected by direct blast damage. If you could mention a particular model and model year, and any other things you would note about why this car would run in the period following the attack. I prefer more modern cars that I can actually afford, as opposed to Model T's.

Also, does anyone know of body shops that can "harden" a car against EMP? I assume this would involve removing all of the computer chips from the car and replacing them with "hardened" chips if those exist.

Does anyone know of any outfits that sell "hardened against EMP" appliances available to a retail consumer?

I suppose I could just take the "hard" path and wait for an EMP attack and hope that it only effects a limited area of the United States (perferrably not near where I live). Then I would have to wait for remaining private industry to crank up and sell products shielded against EMP.


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1 posted on 05/13/2002 11:25:38 AM PDT by ReveBM
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To: ReveBM
Dude...go buy some tinfoil...wrap your car...and make a matching hat....
2 posted on 05/13/2002 11:35:57 AM PDT by antivenom
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To: ReveBM
Get a pedal-powered kiddy car. Not much room but start every time ;-)
3 posted on 05/13/2002 11:39:08 AM PDT by varon
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To: ReveBM
Anything British, An EMP attack has a 50% chance of making the car run better.
4 posted on 05/13/2002 11:39:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: antivenom
Can I use Reynolds Wrap (TM) or do I have to get some other special kind of tinfoil?
5 posted on 05/13/2002 11:39:32 AM PDT by ReveBM
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To: ReveBM
Can anyone here recommend a particular model of auto that should theoretically be able to survive an Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) attack?

Yeah, but they're called bicycles.

6 posted on 05/13/2002 11:39:34 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: ReveBM
A Model A should survive nicely.
7 posted on 05/13/2002 11:39:38 AM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: ReveBM; Orual; dighton; Lazamataz; dead
Let's see if this thread can survive such an explosion first.
Just for experimentation purposes, you know.



8 posted on 05/13/2002 11:40:02 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: antivenom
Ditto. This guy is much more likey in a regular car accident.
9 posted on 05/13/2002 11:40:28 AM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: ReveBM
EMP shielding is little more than a faraday cage. That is metal cladding to direct the charge around what is to be protected. Therefore, a car should be fairly well protected already...

Mike

10 posted on 05/13/2002 11:40:46 AM PDT by MichaelP
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To: ReveBM
Well, cars still had point-type ignition systems in the early 1970s. Those should be OK, and the Chrysler electronic ignitions from about 1973-80 (except Lean Burn) have easily replaceable control boxes.
11 posted on 05/13/2002 11:40:52 AM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: ReveBM
One of those pedal cars like I had when a little boy would do fine.

Why worry about a car? Where are you going to get the petrol, mate? The pumps have chips too. You would have the only working car in the country but nowhere to drive it since the streets would be blocked by abandoned cars and trucks and no place to get gas.

12 posted on 05/13/2002 11:41:01 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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13 posted on 05/13/2002 11:41:50 AM PDT by Talkwire
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To: ReveBM
Yes it's the 1996 Pontiac Bonneville - It is impervious to the electro magnetic pulse created by detonation of a nuclear device. I happen to have one in my garage I'll sell you. Remember not just any 1996 Bonneville will do it must (I repeat) MUST have a spun rod bearing to stand up to EMP.
14 posted on 05/13/2002 11:42:08 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: ReveBM
Also, does anyone know of body shops that can "harden" a car against EMP? I assume this would involve removing all of the computer chips from the car and replacing them with "hardened" chips if those exist.

Actually, it would involve placing a Faraday cage inside your engine compartment.

Radiation-hardened chips have a miniscule production rate, as they are very expensive to make and are only economically useful in areas where it is KNOWN they will be exposed to high radiation flux.

Does anyone know of any outfits that sell "hardened against EMP" appliances available to a retail consumer?

Ones that really sell these things, or ones that SAY they're hardened against EMP?

I suppose I could just take the "hard" path and wait for an EMP attack and hope that it only effects a limited area of the United States (perferrably not near where I live). Then I would have to wait for remaining private industry to crank up and sell products shielded against EMP.

Actually, any EMP powerful enough to reliably kill your car is likely to be strong enough to bake your brains as well...

15 posted on 05/13/2002 11:42:53 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: ReveBM
NOOO...has to be TIN foil NOT aluminum foil...sheeessshhh...
16 posted on 05/13/2002 11:43:02 AM PDT by antivenom
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To: ReveBM
Any car with points and no computer box will be EMP resistent. Most of the about pre 1975 cars were such cars. about 1976 they started to include different levels of solid state components in the ignition systems.

My 1971 Mustang Mach 1 is such a car and is stinkingly fast.

17 posted on 05/13/2002 11:43:05 AM PDT by Eaglefixer
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To: ReveBM
Build a box for your car made of foot-thick lead on all sides, and cover it in another foot of concrete. Park your car inside. Voila!

Seriously...where do you think you're going to get gas if there's an EMP attack? And you had better bulletproof the car too, since if yours is the only one running after the attack, someone else is going to want it. Don't waste your time.
18 posted on 05/13/2002 11:43:08 AM PDT by July 4th
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To: ReveBM
I think you are acting a litte too hasty at this juncture, BUT...this information should be discussed with the same seriousness as any other topic on this forum.

I doubt the average mechanic even knows what an EMP is, so the chances of one being able to fix it is slim and none. I'll ask some mechanics today, though, when I go to work!

If this a joke post, let me remind you...China has nukes and the delivery sysyem to send them over here! (Thank you klinton!) And in the news today, Russia is planning to resume "nook-yoo-lar" (as bush pronounces it) testing soon. Put North Korea, Iraq, and Iran in the picture, and your question gains more validity.

19 posted on 05/13/2002 11:43:13 AM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: ReveBM

20 posted on 05/13/2002 11:43:24 AM PDT by Lanman
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To: IowaHawk
You're the resident authority on cars. Can you help him out?
21 posted on 05/13/2002 11:43:33 AM PDT by untenured
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To: ReveBM
Get a diesel.
22 posted on 05/13/2002 11:43:36 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Constitution Day
Not knowing much about EMPs, would that affect a carb system or just sequential fires with chip a lots under the passenger seat
23 posted on 05/13/2002 11:44:07 AM PDT by billbears
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To: ReveBM
First of all, you need simple engines, such as the diesel engine, because it can run autonomously without an electrical spark system. It is a purely mechanical combustion system. There is still the problem of some electronicaly controled injectors in some modern turbo diesel engines. Still, I am sure one can get out there a good diesel engine with no electrical sustenance system. Of course the best would be a hand cranked diesel engine for starting, but I believe there are ways to protect your electrical starter or the special cylinder heaters some diesel engines need for start up, though some diesel engines are designed to start from cold too.

The best way to protect an electrical system is to disconect the battery and any circuit in the car, such as fuses and alternator. Then you can protect the car under a Faraday's cage such as the one used to protect your skin from microwaves when you look at the melting cheese through the microwave window. Of course grounding and additional surge protection is a plus. Sometimes the effects of EMP on circuits is only temporary too.

I suggest you look into buying a surplus army jeep or humvee if it is in working condition. Those are most probably hardened. I am wondering if you can even buy one new. Those old diesel army trucks are great too.

Last but not least, you can read

The Reluctant Survivors: a family guide to the prevention and treatment of radiation sickness, by Wayne D. Lebaron (Salt Lake City: Dream Garden Press, 1984).

"This is an excellent book if you can get your hands on it. The section on EMP gives a number of simple, practical suggestions on protecting your appliances. Mainly, unplug them from the wall. (Anybody can do that.) And how about removing the battery from your car if you think a nuclear attack is imminent? Hey, it could work. "

Check it all out at: http://www.jrnyquist.com/survival_guide.htm

24 posted on 05/13/2002 11:46:12 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: TomServo

This should do it. The hood on that baby will bounce off molecules like nobody's business.
25 posted on 05/13/2002 11:47:38 AM PDT by riley1992
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To: ReveBM
Life's a b!tch. D@mned if you do, & d@mned if you don't.

I, a pretender to Carnac, will ask the question to which the the answer is "You".

The question was, "Who will be the first person carjacked after an EMP attack?"

26 posted on 05/13/2002 11:47:49 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: billbears
Not knowing much about EMPs, would that affect a carb system or just sequential fires with chip a lots under the passenger seat

Don't "axe" me, b.b.!

I will submit that if an EMP occurs in your general vicinity, a working auto will be the LEAST of your problems.

27 posted on 05/13/2002 11:48:01 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: ReveBM
Keep in mind some Faraday's cages do not protect against EMP. YOu have to get the appropriate material or pin hole size apparently.
28 posted on 05/13/2002 11:48:35 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: ReveBM
Perhaps an early unleaded gas model (early-mid '70's) with carburetion, buy spares for all electronics (alternator, starter motor, lights, fuses, etc., bury or store them in a safe spot) & stock up on a quantity of gasoline & several cases of oil & fluids, etc.
29 posted on 05/13/2002 11:48:56 AM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: ReveBM
an EMP can destroy your muffler bearings too!
30 posted on 05/13/2002 11:50:13 AM PDT by gilor
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To: Captainpaintball
And in the news today, Russia is planning to resume "nook-yoo-lar" (as bush pronounces it) testing soon.

I once heard Jimmy Carter use the same pronounciation. He should know better, he served on a nuclear vessel in the Navy.

31 posted on 05/13/2002 11:53:06 AM PDT by IncPen
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To: Talkwire
LOL! How did you get that, this quick, for this very thread???
32 posted on 05/13/2002 11:53:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: IncPen
That was a nukular vessel.
33 posted on 05/13/2002 11:55:28 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: riley1992
LOL!!!!
34 posted on 05/13/2002 11:55:49 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: ReveBM
Dear Abdullah,

Please contact the authorities, give your location and wait for them to pick you up.

Eddie01

35 posted on 05/13/2002 11:58:10 AM PDT by The Real Eddie01
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To: Calvin Locke
Finally a question I can answer. I just need a gun and enough ammo to protect my vehicle.
36 posted on 05/13/2002 11:59:10 AM PDT by ReveBM
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To: billbears
Carburetors are non-electric (except for the choke, in some cases), so that's always a better bet than an EFI-equipped car. Carbs were still in use up until the mid-1980s, but by then all the cars had electronic ignition (not computerized, but the circuitry is probably vulnerable). Any carbureted vehicle can probably be fitted with an older distributor (breaker points and condensor).

Downside... the kid at Pep Boys looks at you funny when you ask for "points" or "condensor". You get the "thousand-yard stare", every time.

37 posted on 05/13/2002 11:59:50 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Charles Martel
There's always steam.
38 posted on 05/13/2002 12:03:38 PM PDT by The Real Eddie01
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To: John Jamieson
I actually think that an EMP attack on the US would be a very savvy move by a terrorist organization, in terms of spreading mayhem and panic; it may be fairly easy to build a device.

I'm just kicking around ideas here, I don't exactly plan on doing things just yet.

I mean, come one, do you guys really believe the government is going to do anything to protect us from this BEFOREhand if this occurs? Why can't we try to figure out what we would need to do ourselves?

Maybe I'm focusing on my car first because I love my car, and I love to drive. I realize that I should probably first think about how to store two years' worth of lentils or something.

39 posted on 05/13/2002 12:07:23 PM PDT by ReveBM
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To: ReveBM
Eating lentils has been known to cause Communism, so be careful.
40 posted on 05/13/2002 12:08:50 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: IncPen
"I once heard Jimmy Carter use the same pronounciation. He should know better, he served on a nuclear vessel in the Navy"

Media criticism not withstanding, "nook-yoo-lar" appears as an accepted pronunciation in the Oxford English Dictionary.

41 posted on 05/13/2002 12:09:01 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: Constitution Day
What are you talking about? If all those cars break down, Dunn/Benson drag strip (even better, Rockingham!!) is going to wide open!! Who cares about a little radiation? LOL!! Do you think I like to race a bit too much?
42 posted on 05/13/2002 12:17:20 PM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
Who cares about a little radiation? LOL!! Do you think I like to race a bit too much?

Heh heh... I have this vision of you as some kinda "Mad Max" character going down a deserted I-440 at 140 mph!

43 posted on 05/13/2002 12:24:22 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: ReveBM
We have a lot of EMP now. It's call lightning. It isn't strong enough to stop cars or airplanes. You'd have to build something about a million times stronger. Not easy and probably impossible without nuclear weapons to start it. If they use nukes you won't care about about the EMP.
44 posted on 05/13/2002 12:58:16 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: ReveBM
Well, yes, I can recommend something that is unaffected by (EMP)..........

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45 posted on 05/13/2002 1:29:51 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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46 posted on 05/13/2002 1:49:29 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer
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To: kinsman redeemer
LOL! At least that car dosen't require 10 oxen to pull it. : )
47 posted on 05/13/2002 1:54:15 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: ReveBM

A 1967 Dodge Coronet 440. Not only will it withstand the EMP, but there's enough sheet steel and weight to withstand a 10 megaton blast at five kilometers and keep on cruising.

49 posted on 05/13/2002 3:33:47 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Constitution Day
Well I'm driving back to work from lunch and the car makes this nasty squealing noise. Well the air pump had gone out. Called and was told I HAD to have it fixed for emissions regulations. Hehehehe. Called down to Garner and waalaa. Pulley rigged in place of air pump, no smog pump. Saved about $300 for parts and installation. Who cares if it's regulation, it works and was recommended by a speedshop that's done it before with no problems
50 posted on 05/13/2002 5:43:50 PM PDT by billbears
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