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Airport Security ???? (Vanity)
06/19/02 | Myself

Posted on 06/19/2002 5:44:22 PM PDT by clamper1797

Here's the story ... I got to the airport to fly to "an other state" for an interview. My flight was delayed so I started to go thru my pre-employment packet. I found in this packet a notice that the company not only wanted to drug test which I had grudgingly agreed to but they also wanted a credit report and a driving record. All this for a circuit design job which has NOTHING to do witn finance or driving. I called the company and asked the HR person, " what does credit and driving have to do with designing circuitry ???". The HR person said that they ask for that info from everybody. I said that when I applied for my government Top Secret clearance I was not asked for my credit report and driving record why do you need them. I also said that the only thing your company has not asked for is my voting record. I then told the HR lady that I could NOT work for a company that would ask such questions. What would your company do next ... read my email ... bug my office ??? I then cancelled the interview and gave my ticket back to the counter and asked for my bag that I checked in. The counter person took me out to the little baggage train ON THE TARMAC NEXT TO THE AIRPLANE WITHOUT GOING THRU SECURITY and helped me go thru all the bags on it to find mine. BTW I went thru the security gate with my 3 inch pocket knife and car keys IN MY POCKET. I meant to put them in my check-in bag but forgot.


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1 posted on 06/19/2002 5:44:22 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
Well, aren't you special.
2 posted on 06/19/2002 5:45:53 PM PDT by Glenn
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To: clamper1797
Correction ... BTW I went thru the security gate inside the terminal earlier with my 3 inch pocket knife and car keys IN MY POCKET.
3 posted on 06/19/2002 5:48:21 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
Ever notice that so many great novels have a "Tarmac" scene?
4 posted on 06/19/2002 5:49:07 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: clamper1797
You got lucky,your obviously not a little grey haired old lady,that would have made them suspicious.
5 posted on 06/19/2002 5:49:22 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: clamper1797
You obviously did the company a favor by not working there. Anyone who would 'forget' a knife in their pocket when attempting to board an aircraft is obviously not the most responsible person in the world.

Further, dream on if you think your credit history wasn't checked prior to getting top secret clearance.

6 posted on 06/19/2002 6:11:21 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: OldFriend
thank you for your kind words ... the knife is hooked to my key chain and does not have a point or sharp edge
7 posted on 06/19/2002 6:16:04 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
I said that when I applied for my government Top Secret clearance I was not asked for my credit report and driving record why do you need them.

The investigator may not have asked specifically, but you either signed a release so that they could get your credit report and driving record (among other things) themselves, or you did not get a TS clearance. In addition, they will ask you questions about driving and your finances during the interview. I just did my interview for my reinvestigation and they asked PLENTY of questions.

8 posted on 06/19/2002 6:18:10 PM PDT by TankerKC
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To: TankerKC
I got mine in 1982 ... probably don't have one now as I have not re-newed it
9 posted on 06/19/2002 6:20:41 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: TankerKC
Also it was a "Nato Secret" clearance not "Top Secret" ... sorry about the mistake
10 posted on 06/19/2002 6:26:49 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
…when I applied for my government Top Secret clearance I was not asked for my credit report and driving record …

Heh, my cousin went in the Marines around ’79. At some point later on (’81-ish) he underwent some sort of security clearance. I know that a woman who had been his elementary school teacher (’70-ish) and later his Sunday-school teacher (’73-ish) was interviewed regarding him and his family. At least that is what she told us. That’s going way back – I think they went back at least 10 years. My mom and dad were interviewed too even though they had only seen him about a dozen times on holidays.

I understand he also went through a “lifestyle audit” or some such thing, which was supposedly very personal and very thorough. Don’t know exactly what that is though.

11 posted on 06/19/2002 6:40:23 PM PDT by thatsnotnice
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To: OldFriend; clamper1797
His credit was checked, his driving record was checked, his voting record was checked, ect....

I had an SBI to my TS and believe me they checked everything, they just don't tell you or need to ask permission.

12 posted on 06/19/2002 7:25:53 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: TankerKC
I just did my interview for my reinvestigation and they asked PLENTY of questions. Me too. It's such a pain.
13 posted on 06/19/2002 7:27:27 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: thatsnotnice
It sounds like he was a Marine Security Guard.

I went through the same thing in 1990.

14 posted on 06/19/2002 7:29:04 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
I did go thru a "lifestyle" audit. A couple of my friends were interviewed. But what I was refering to in the post is that I don't believe that it is right for just any company to go thru a candidates personal life like credit and driving records if it is NOT germaine to the position that they are applying for.
15 posted on 06/19/2002 7:40:43 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
the knife is hooked to my key chain and does not have a point or sharp edge

hmmm I thought thats what a knife was ... u know ... point and sharp edge

16 posted on 06/19/2002 7:48:49 PM PDT by THEUPMAN
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To: clamper1797
Agreed, but I was referring to your comment about getting a clearance from the Government.
17 posted on 06/19/2002 7:52:30 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: clamper1797
I got some bad news for you.

As part of your Top Secret clearance vetting, "they" already know:

1. All of your credit card transactions. All of them. Dating back to when you got your first credit card. Not just your rating, but every single transaction you have ever made. And what you bought, if it was listed on the receipt.

2. Who you worked for, day and night. Anyone who withdrew taxes from your paycheck.

3. What your teachers thought of you.

4. What your friends think of you.

5. Any criminal proceeding with you involved.

6. Home purchases.

7. Car purchases.

Scary, huh?

This is the clincher: I can get the all of the above except 3 and 4 on anyone in the world, for a fee, if I have your SS number of DOB.

And so can anyone in the world, with internet access and less than $100.

Guard yourself. Pay cash. Leave blanks in the application.

Date of Birth and Social Security numbers are 99% of the way anyone tracks you.

Whatever you do, don't ever transpose a couple digits on your SS#, or birthdate, or phone number. That is probably illegal to do so intentionally. Be very careful. If you did transpose numbers, and it was silly you, no jury would convict, but it would lead to chaos in the data base.
18 posted on 06/19/2002 8:08:11 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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Clamper.....I have to disagree with you......I feel as an employer, I should be able to use whatever criteria I want to determine who I hire.........If I want an engineer, non smoker, family man with no history of drug abuse - that should be my decision......... and likewise, the government should not be able to tell me that I have to hire a female, of whatever race or ethnicity, because I have too many employees of some other "group".........do you not agree?

I think you are only looking at this from your view point....... the employer is a private enterprise - they should be able to hire whomever they wish and use whatever information they can legally obtain..........

19 posted on 06/19/2002 8:14:00 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Marine Inspector
How well I know!
20 posted on 06/19/2002 8:19:47 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I can only repeat......the company is lucky he opted out.
21 posted on 06/19/2002 8:22:01 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Oh I agree ... to a point ... they can ask what they want ... and I have a right NOT to work for them. What if they do want my voting record or political affiliation ... where does it stop ????
22 posted on 06/19/2002 8:23:00 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
I can see your point - really.....but I said information obtained "legally"......I think your voting record is protected by the privacy act isn't it? As well as your party affiliation? And yes, you made a decision based on your own feelings - which everyone should do.
23 posted on 06/19/2002 8:27:31 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: clamper1797
they ask for that info from everybody

It's absurd. The local soccer league wanted my 8 year olds SS# to play on the league....they can go to he!!. I don't blame you passing on that job...

24 posted on 06/19/2002 8:34:22 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I never said that companies could not ask. I said that I am offended by it and it's presumptions of guilty till proven innocent and that I personally would not work for a company that pries into peoples lives. Just because I may have a traffic ticket should not affect my job as a circuit designer nor should a credit rating. Sure I could think of several lame excuses for it but one could find an lame excuse for just about anything.

The "knife" in question is a mini combo bottle opener / wine knife. Bottomline, it is metal and so are my keys but it did not set off the security gate alarm though it was in my pocket. I carry it everywhere and simply forgot about it. It couldn't hurt anyone unless you tried to drown them in beer. BUT I did forget it ... oh well I guess I'm not perfect like Oldfriend .. wish he would show me how to do that walk on water trick.

25 posted on 06/19/2002 8:39:55 PM PDT by clamper1797
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Clamper let me ask you a question....... Say you are working for a company and they need to hire someone to work with you on a project. They see a resume - credentials are identical to yours, the second resume is similar.....so they interview to make the decision.......both are equally qualified for the job.........They check credit ratings.....one guy has pretty good credit, a few minor things.......the other guy has a crappy credit rating - late payments, missed payments........and company cancelled credit cards. Which guy seems more responsible? Which one do you want sitting beside you everyday, with possible access to personal information on you?

I'm just trying to point out that it isn't necessarily bad that the company is asking some questions about possible employees.........

26 posted on 06/19/2002 8:51:20 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Which one do you want sitting beside you everyday, with possible access to personal information on you?

The one who wouldn't give the information out to every Tom, Dick or Harry that asked.

27 posted on 06/19/2002 8:54:31 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
A bad credit rating is NOT a sign of an irresponsible person. It may be (and a LOT of times is) the sign of someone who went thru a bad divorce, or had a very ill child or other close family member, or had a bad accident themselves. That argument is TOTAL BS.
28 posted on 06/19/2002 8:56:06 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
My lady paid her truck off early. The finance company erroneously reported her account as repossesed though she was NEVER late. It took 18 months and over $1000 in legal fees to have it removed. AND it STILL appears on occasion untiil we re-send the dispute letter. My friend Tony had his identity stolen and has been fighting the credit reporting agencies on a daily basis for two years. Neither one is irresponsible but could be denied a job based on their credit report. Maybe you had better reconsider that irresponsible argument. My lady is looking over my shoulder as I write this ... you DON"T want to hear her lanquage right now !!!
29 posted on 06/19/2002 9:03:02 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
Oh ... to answer your question ...if the guy sitting next to me is getting his work done correctly and on time ... it is NONE of my DAMN business what his driving record or credit report looks like
30 posted on 06/19/2002 9:12:51 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
Oh ... to answer your question ...if the guy sitting next to me is getting his work done correctly and on time ... it is NONE of my DAMN business what his driving record or credit report looks like
31 posted on 06/19/2002 9:12:51 PM PDT by clamper1797
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Good Lord Clamper......take a midol or something - I wasn't accusing you or your "lady" of being horrible people and I didn't say that every person with an error or problem with a credit report was some kind of wash out............

Again, I will write this - the company has the right to use whatever means it determines (legally) to chose an employee....but now we know the reason you got your panties in a wad over the credit report.........sorry you have a problem with that........ perhaps you can get it all corrected.......

32 posted on 06/19/2002 9:17:38 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Well ... I'm not angry but when I hear that "irresponsible" crap it raises my hackles. My brother is a divorce lawyer and I hear story after story about ruined credit. Bottomline ... most of the time ... credit report are NOT a measure of a persons responsibility. And a company who uses them as that measure are companies that can do without MY services.
33 posted on 06/19/2002 9:33:32 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Oh ... and BTW my credit report is fine AND I would pass the drug test without ANY problem BUT I still resent having to deal with either of them ... as should any reasonable person. IMHO
34 posted on 06/19/2002 9:44:16 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
ok--now do it again.
35 posted on 06/19/2002 10:11:21 PM PDT by 1tin_soldier
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To: 1tin_soldier
Do what again .....????
36 posted on 06/19/2002 10:16:56 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Bingo! Thank you so much. It's a shame this needs to be pointed out.

I hold no animosity toward the company for whom I chose not to urinate. It was their free will to ask and mine to decline. It only goes bad when you bring in what or whom should be a disinterested third party who wants to decide the matter for everyone. It is only then that rights are trampled.

37 posted on 06/19/2002 10:19:47 PM PDT by 1tin_soldier
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To: clamper1797
where ever you choose. Or when businesses find it cost-prohibitive (can't find enough employees).
38 posted on 06/19/2002 10:23:19 PM PDT by 1tin_soldier
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To: Born in a Rage
Even if his name was Mohammed?
39 posted on 06/19/2002 10:26:06 PM PDT by 1tin_soldier
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To: 1tin_soldier
That .... my friend ... is exactly and precisely what I plan to do and the whole point of the first part of my original post, Quite frankly I am surprised that I didn't have more support about that action out here on FR. Granted a company can "try" to do what they want BUT it is the right of ANY prospective liberty loving job candidate to tell them ... to cram it. Which is exactly what I did.
40 posted on 06/19/2002 10:28:16 PM PDT by clamper1797
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A bad credit rating is NOT a sign of an irresponsible person.

Maybe not always, but take it from a landlord it can be.

41 posted on 06/19/2002 10:29:28 PM PDT by 1tin_soldier
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To: 1tin_soldier
Granted ... a history of burning landlords might be a good reason, but you have to look at the big picture. Problem is that most only see the credit and catagorically disqualify the applicant. For property maybe the credit report has some or even a lot of wieght BUT for employment where the credit report has NO significance to the position.... that is an entirely different story.
42 posted on 06/19/2002 10:35:15 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
wieght = weight ... can't spell with all these drugs in me
43 posted on 06/19/2002 10:36:31 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
Granted a company can "try" to do what they want BUT it is the right of ANY prospective liberty loving job candidate to tell them ... to cram it. Which is exactly what I did.

Right on. I'm with you. But to then speak of this potential employer as being out of line for trying. Look, have you noticed that certain retail stores you enter have that big sign about drug screening all applicants. Have you noticed also that the average IQ of the staff in that store seems lower than other similar stores? Not to say that people who do drugs are smarter, just that the store now has a significantly smaller pool of prospective employees. I know of a restaurant that was randomly testing three employees every weekend. Every monday for five weeks there would be three less employees. The policy was changed after five weeks. They'd have literally gone out of business had they continued the policy. Don't think for a minute that policies such aas these don't come with costs for all companies.

Cram it? How about a polite no thank you?

44 posted on 06/19/2002 10:46:29 PM PDT by 1tin_soldier
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To: 1tin_soldier
Unfortunately statists ... like I believe these company officers are ... don't get it if you are "polite"
45 posted on 06/19/2002 10:50:39 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: 1tin_soldier
Good night BTW the heroin and cocaine have kicked in and I'm turning in ...
46 posted on 06/19/2002 10:52:04 PM PDT by clamper1797
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If accurate (and I concede they often aren't) I do think a credit report has bearing, even on potential employment. I view it as a measure of approximately how much this person values the contracts he makes with his fellow man; an important consideration when making a contract of employment with someone.

Now I realize mistakes are made, inaccuracies exist and people change. I would never deny an application due only to a TRW report without asking about it and offering a chance to explain.

47 posted on 06/19/2002 10:56:06 PM PDT by 1tin_soldier
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To: clamper1797
b well, friend.
48 posted on 06/19/2002 10:58:18 PM PDT by 1tin_soldier
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