A 'Marriage Strike' Emerges As Men Decide Not To Risk Loss

The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | July 5, 2002 | Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson

[Rytwyng]

Has anyone else noticed how, in the bigger piture of the last 150-ish years of social and political evolution, white men constitute the only social group that consistently votes egalitarian?

What if we stopped? Perhaps it has come to the point where it's now an essential defensive measure... unfortunately.

[tortoise]

No, I haven't been online long, just since 1990.

And you would have us believe that you don't know what a "troll" is? That doesn't add up. I could understand if you were a late adopter, but old-timers would be hard-pressed to not have come across that term over the years. I've been online since 1991, and "troll" has been basic vocabulary for a long time.

[buccaneer81]

That's 24 years of searching.

And 24 years of amazing self control.

[Rytwyng]

That's 24 years of searching.

And 24 years of amazing self control.

Self-control... not quite. Solitary release was the alternative to insanity or dangerous heavy petting. I made a perilously close approach a few times (feel free to quote Monty Python & the Holy Grail here!), especially when I was younger... but by some miracle I never went all the way til the wedding night.

I really recommend marrying young. So help me, I tried to do it myself, but it just wasn't to be.

[Balto_Boy]

I think Balto Boy is conflating the men and and families hurt by unjust divorces with men who are only interested in casual relationships with women.

Not really. I got into this thread by responding to claims of how the courts are taking fathers out of the family by pointing out that male behavior has a lot to do with it. That's all.

[tortoise]

I've never heard the term before, but perhaps you know less than you think. The system I'm using at present is my third custom-built computer by the way; I don't like off the shelf units. It's my fifth computer, if you count the TRS-80 purchased in 1979.

That's okay, because there is scads of documentation on the origination and popular usage of the term "troll". It came into popular use circa 1993 on Usenet (due in no small part to a famous flamewar on alt.folklore.urban IIRC). The term has been part of the Jargon File for the better part of a decade. It would be really difficult to be involved in the computer industry and not be familiar with that term, as it was a well-known term in UNIX and Internet culture before either became really popular with the masses.

I used to build my own computers, but it isn't worth my time or money these days. A lot of the stuff I buy isn't buildable anyway (huge systems with somewhat esoteric hardware), and my desktop (which I usually carefully specify but have someone else build) is mostly just a terminal for the back-ends.

I've been using PCs since 1974 to operate scientific instrumentation like FTIRs, GC, and HPLCs...I have been at this awhile, so stop stamping your feed and crowing how knowledgable you are because of your kiddie geek slang.

I'd be impressed with your acronyms if it wasn't for the fact that my degrees are actually in chemistry and chemical engineering and I've used all the equipment in question many times (I even own a nice GC); using it amounts to tedious technician work. Definitely not the most memorable work I've had to do. Fortunately I actually found an interesting use for those skills many years later pursuing personal interests. I made my fame and fortune in the field of mathematics and computer science; I was good at the chemistry but it was a real snooze-fest most of the time.

"Troll" is not "kiddie geek slang", as it essentially pre-dates the Internet boom and the web, so the only people using it in the early years were people at big tech companies (usually ones with DARPA contracts) and universities. But since the mid-90s, most people that have used the Internet are at least familiar with the term. Hell, my parents know what it means and they aren't exactly savvy computer users (though they use the Internet a lot).

[meyer]

And you would have us believe that you don't know what a "troll" is? That doesn't add up. I could understand if you were a late adopter, but old-timers would be hard-pressed to not have come across that term over the years. I've been online since 1991, and "troll" has been basic vocabulary for a long time.

A lot of things aren't adding up. I suspect that someone is making it up as she goes along. Gets caught and quickly changes the subject.

[meyer]

I feed my ego writing fantasy fiction

Its all starting to come together now...

[meyer]

That I can put both sides of my brain to constructive, positive use?

the evidence thereof is lacking...

[dennisw]

I have often wondered where the seemingly oppressive customs regarding women that we see in Muslim countries, India, and most of Asia come from. Things like that don't just happen, they arise in response to circumstance. It may be that we are witnessing a bout of The Circumstance. Perhaps this is just what happens when women get close to political power, and why so many human societies have evolved mechanisms to prevent it from happening.
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YUP! A thousand times yup!

[SouthernFreebird]

Wave of husband killings in Iran Clymer News Network | July 8, 2002 ........after 30 years of marriage, she had had enough. She arranged to have her husband, Hedayat, killed

...is one of at least 20 Tehran women accused of murdering their husbands since February.

"Husband killing is a new phenomenon in Iran's male-dominated society.

Now, things have changed. They are more outspoken and courageous. Women have become aware of their rights and are fighting for equality," he said.

Sorry guys, the times they are a changin.LOL

[Post Toasties]

Let me restate. By grouping the very different actions of two groups of men together, you are doing less than nothing to clarify or resolve any problem here.

In effect, by obdurately failing to acknowledge this distinction, you are implicitly promoting the unsupported assumption that men who are being divorced by their wives are really no different or at least no less blameworthy in their actions than those who consort with unwed mothers and casually victimize women.

This blaming of all men for the actions of some is patently ridiculous, partly because it is really nothing but obfuscation in the final analysis, and assuming such absurdities can do nothing to help the situation.

Clearer now?

[Post Toasties]

What I find ironic is that all these fashionable 'blame others' identity politics ultimately tend toward social despostisms and impoverishments which severely infringe on the 'freedoms' ostensibly being sought for (which equals great stupidity, to my way of thinking). Who on this board isn't aware of how more Muslis than people in the West care to think about are are manipulating Lefty nihilists and greedheads to tear down Western egalitariansim with the ultimate (Islamic) goal of subjugating women?

[Post Toasties]

despotisms...egalitarianism ---time to call it a day if I'm making typos like that:)

[Nick Danger]

Sorry guys, the times they are a changin.LOL

Heh. Kill men, kill babies; take men's children away from them; take children's fathers away from them. Nothing wrong with any of that. The only thing that matters is yourselves. LOL.

[Taxula]

Bless your heart! Thank you for your concern. Most of the work is non-paying and dedicated to our yearly convention and home schooling in general. I do work a mere three days outside the home at a 'real' job but only part time. Our split of the housework seems to be perfect. I have yet to take out the garbage and make the beds and he has yet to do laundry. He does do the ironing though.
It really helps to have older children who pitch in and love to do so!

I can see where this would be a problem with expecting a partner to work full time and do all the housework too. What worked for us early in our home schooling adventures was to write up a task chart for the month. (believe or not it was great for the kids to learn the calendar too!)

I broke down the month and days of the week and assigned duties for everyone to check off as they did them. The everyday items were rotated and two nights a week he cooks dinner. This works wonders for us. I still handle the lions share, but he works full time while I do not.
In the end, most problems can probably be avoided by good communication. I have learned this the hard way. Once I stopped expecting him to read my mind it stopped being a problem. Of course....I have the greatest husband on the face of the earth, not that I am biased or anything...(grin)