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Attack plans of 9-11-01 well known since 1997.
Author-John Gobin Shaw ^ | January 8, 2003 | John Gobin Shaw

Posted on 01/09/2003 9:36:26 AM PST by John Gobin Shaw

The attack plans of 9-11-01 were well known since 1997. Many people were given precise, accurate details of those attacks. The warnings were derided and ignored.


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December 29, 2002. Precise, Detailed, pre 9-11-01 Warnings Derided and Ignored.

I was teaching in a foreign college in 1997 in South Korea, corresponding with an engineering university in Saudi Arabia, and contacting a Dr. Hamadi at the Saudi Arabian Cultural Liaison in the Saudi Arabian embassy in Washington, DC when I first learned for sure about plans to commandeer fuel-laden aircraft and use them to launch retaliatory strikes against government buildings in the USA. At the time I could not be 100 per cent sure that my information was valid and correct, but I was sure enough of its validity that I began teaching these attack plans to my students, using chalk drawings on the board to depict the buildings with large aircraft flying into them. Predictably, all my students said that it would not ever happen, but I persisted that it would. I instructed them to write the lessons into their notebooks, and to save those notebooks. I told them they would be seeing the actual attacks being carried out in three or four years, but precisely when I did not know. I am not sure of the number, but I might have told as many as 90 to 100 students very clearly what I had reason to believe was going to happen. I also mentioned it to some of the other foreign teachers at the college, but was also denounced by them too.

In 1998, some time between March and August, I told an officer from the Martin County Sheriff Department what I thought I had found out. I remember that we were sitting under the overhang in front of the Dunkin Donut shop on US 1 in Stuart. I did not give him many details, and told him in a less persistent and more indirect way than I had told others at the college, but I made it clear, and asked him to remember what I had told him. I have seen this officer a number of times since 9-11-01. So far he has not mentioned it to me.

In 2000 in Jinan City, Shandong Province, People’s Republic of China, I began teaching my students about the upcoming attacks against America. A Chinese person told me immediately to stop talking about it. It seemed like a stern warning with a possible loss of livelihood if I continued with the subject. I quit that job, and returned to Stuart, Florida around December 18, 2000. I had also told the other teachers there; however, some of them were extremely petty and argumentative, and not to be trusted, not by me at least.

Early in 2001 I called anonymously to the 911 emergency number in Stuart, Florida. This was a question and answer session with a woman on the phone. I could give you a detailed account of how the conversation went, but basically I told her clearly that I had good reason to believe that there was a guerrilla or terrorist organization in this area, and that they were planning attacks and using airplanes. I kept it short, hung up the phone when she asked me my name, and left the phone booth area immediately. It might seem strange to you. I do not know. But I was born in Stuart in 1949, and raised here. If you had any idea how brutal, terrorist, backwards, and criminally offensive these local and state regimes could be, you would know why I did not trust them enough to bring the full information to them face-to-face.

Months later I told a small group of people in the First United Methodist Church on Kanner Highway exactly what was going to happen, and when. I explained about the commandeered aircraft, and the intended attacks. I also told this one woman this next quoted sentence, but only in a joking way. “I am a member of an organization devoted to restoring the Empire State Building to its former status of being the tallest building in New York City.” I used this statement only as a rhetorical device while trying to get this information into their indifferent brains so that they might remember what I was telling them and act on it in some way. I remember vividly that I mentioned the World Trade Center, I do not know how many times, very clearly, and told them it would be destroyed by terrorist attacks within a few months. This point was stated repeatedly. No matter how I persisted over and again that it was serious, not a hoax or a lie, and no matter how much detail I gave them, they derided and ignored what I was telling them. I told them it would be in a few months, and sure enough, it was.

Weeks later I walked into a place called Shepard Park in Stuart, Florida weeks before 9-11-01. It is on the South Fork of the Saint Lucie River. The phone booth at the corner of SW Ocean Boulevard and US 1, there at Shepard Park is where I made that call to 911. This time I was speaking at the top of my lungs to everyone there who could hear and listen. I gave then graphic, detailed, explicit descriptions of the attacks and said they would come in a few weeks, and in fact those attacks did come, and happened exactly as I described them. I went into detail about the airplanes going into the buildings. I described the great pillars of smoke. I described the buildings crashing down to earth. I told them about the people jumping to their deaths to the pavement below to avoid being burned to death. I described how the government would send up fighter jets, but too late to avert the catastrophe. I even described the vapor trails from the jets. People 100 feet away at a picnic table heard me clearly. When I was yelling they stopped what they were doing, turned in my direction, and listened. After I finished I asked loudly if they had heard what I said about the attacks, and the buildings coming down, etc. They nodded their heads, yes. People seated closer than that heard very clearly, and if sane and coherent, could not have mistaken what I had told them for anything other than the attacks of 9-11-01.

My last pre 9-11-01 warning went out as an anonymous phone call on the night of 9-10-01 to law enforcement in Fort Pierce, Florida. See the Fort Pierce phone book. Look at the inside of the front cover. It was the number to the sheriff department I believe. I am sure it was the tenth, maybe the ninth, but could not have possibly been before the eighth, because I was not there before the eighth. This time it was a man taking the calls. He seemed to be uninterested, but I did manage to get it through to him that the attack would be “soon very soon.” I did not give this man any real details like I had the others. But he kept asking what I mean by soon. I told him I did not know exactly, just soon. At one point he asked this question: “When, tomorrow morning.”

I had also told others. In 2000 I told my brother in Davie, FL very persistently several times that I knew of coming catastrophic attacks against this country. He did not even bother to ask about any details. Total indifference. I had also told a man named Robert, no less than ten times, very clearly and assertively about the coming attacks. He did not even bother to comment. After 9-11-01 I asked him if he remembered what I had told him. He seemed to me to be oblivious.

I might add too, that during my correspondence with the engineering university in Saudi Arabia, the subject of commandeering fuel laden aircraft to be used as missiles against government targets in the USA was mentioned, as was the possibility of using South Florida as a base of operations from which to launch those attacks. Taking flying lessons to achieve these objectives was mentioned too, I think, but perhaps not, but I am sure that too was mentioned.

I get information others cannot get, and I have been doing so since I was a child. It is and has always been a cold hard fact.. The way I get my information is completely blameless and innocent on my part. I have a special gift. The problem is that the only one I have ever been able to save or help when using this gift is myself, and possibly two women from Australia. Telling people about coming events, no matter how precise, persistent, and earnest usually only results in their calling me derogatory names of some kind, or some other denunciatory statements, usually negative, and doubting. But that is not my fault. I tried. I did not just sit back and say to hell with it, let it happen. I did make an effort, but making an effort with such information in a society like we have in the USA is like swimming upstream against a strong current.

In anticipation of more low name calling, nay saying, accusations of fraud, and cheap pop analysis I have this to say: you people who get your gratification in such a wrong and unethical way are part of the problem, not the solution.

All you have read here, if you have read here, is absolutely true, and there is considerably more besides. This is just a bare bones sort of recording of my efforts to try to help avert the opening salvo of what might possibly lead to one of the greatest, most catastrophic slaughters in human history.

1 posted on 01/09/2003 9:36:26 AM PST by John Gobin Shaw
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To: John Gobin Shaw
Member since today?

Do you have a prior handle on FR that we might recognize?

2 posted on 01/09/2003 9:40:33 AM PST by Blueflag
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To: John Gobin Shaw
Tin Foil Hat alert!


3 posted on 01/09/2003 9:41:47 AM PST by Drango (Don't need no stinkin' tag line)
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To: John Gobin Shaw
I can remeber the laim stream media reporting this very threat, and IFRC a 10 plain hijacking plot was foiled somtime around 1999 and 2000. Sooner of later they were going to succeed, and they did.
4 posted on 01/09/2003 9:42:34 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
plain=plane
5 posted on 01/09/2003 9:43:08 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: John Gobin Shaw
An interesting effort for a maiden post.

Where have you been for the past year and a half?

ML/NJ

6 posted on 01/09/2003 9:43:10 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: John Gobin Shaw
Ever hear of the FBI?
7 posted on 01/09/2003 9:43:42 AM PST by JmyBryan
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To: John Gobin Shaw
"Ah tells ya, Ah knew it wuz comin'. Ah goes and tells the gummint, but do they listen to me? Nah."

{slugs down another cheap bourbon}
8 posted on 01/09/2003 9:44:08 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: John Gobin Shaw
This is just a bare bones sort of recording of my efforts to try to help avert the opening salvo of what might possibly lead to one of the greatest, most catastrophic slaughters in human history

Well then, why don't you outline, in detail, the next attack that will occur? Why just a vague warning of future events?

9 posted on 01/09/2003 9:44:20 AM PST by Textide
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To: Dead Dog
I think you're referring to "Bojinka," which was much older than that.
10 posted on 01/09/2003 9:45:54 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart; Poohbah
Early in 2001 I called anonymously to the 911 emergency number in Stuart, Florida. This was a question and answer session with a woman on the phone. I could give you a detailed account of how the conversation went, but basically I told her clearly that I had good reason to believe that there was a guerrilla or terrorist organization in this area, and that they were planning attacks and using airplanes. I kept it short, hung up the phone when she asked me my name, and left the phone booth area immediately. It might seem strange to you. I do not know. But I was born in Stuart in 1949, and raised here. If you had any idea how brutal, terrorist, backwards, and criminally offensive these local and state regimes could be, you would know why I did not trust them enough to bring the full information to them face-to-face.

11 posted on 01/09/2003 9:54:11 AM PST by dighton
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To: John Gobin Shaw

12 posted on 01/09/2003 9:55:57 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
13 posted on 01/09/2003 10:09:34 AM PST by Drango (Don't need no stinkin' tag line)
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To: dighton
People 100 feet away at a picnic table heard me clearly. When I was yelling they stopped what they were doing, turned in my direction, and listened. After I finished I asked loudly if they had heard what I said about the attacks, and the buildings coming down, etc. They nodded their heads, yes.
14 posted on 01/09/2003 10:14:50 AM PST by hellinahandcart (no comment :-x)
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To: John Gobin Shaw; dighton; general_re; hellinahandcart

We are the Illuminati! Working today to rule the World for a better tomorrow!
15 posted on 01/09/2003 10:16:06 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: dighton
In very technical terms...he's gone off his chump :o)
16 posted on 01/09/2003 10:16:46 AM PST by Poohbah (This tagline available, Freepmail me for rates)
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To: Drango
Kinda miss the old Johnny Carson show!
17 posted on 01/09/2003 10:18:38 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: dighton; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart; Poohbah
This post is a mother-lode for tag lines and screen names.

Mark my words: Many will bookmark it and extract their favorites.

18 posted on 01/09/2003 10:26:44 AM PST by aculeus (People 100 feet away at a picnic table heard me clearly.)
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To: Poohbah; aculeus
The man didn't have the right form.
19 posted on 01/09/2003 10:30:40 AM PST by dighton (Sixty quid, and eight for the fruit-bat.)
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To: aculeus
Why, you're right. It's as if I just found a missing piece to the puzzle that is my life.
20 posted on 01/09/2003 10:32:23 AM PST by hellinahandcart (I get information others cannot get, and I have been doing so since I was a child.)
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To: hellinahandcart
Keep up the good work.
21 posted on 01/09/2003 10:39:16 AM PST by aculeus (He seemed to me to be oblivious.)
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To: John Gobin Shaw
I get information others cannot get, and I have been doing so since I was a child. It is and has always been a cold hard fact.. The way I get my information is completely blameless and innocent on my part. I have a special gift. The problem is that the only one I have ever been able to save or help when using this gift is myself, and possibly two women from Australia.
22 posted on 01/09/2003 11:08:04 AM PST by GoreIsLove
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To: aculeus
His link leads to hotmail.com

I think John Gobin Shaw has hung up the phone and walked rapidly away from the booth, so to speak...
23 posted on 01/09/2003 11:09:03 AM PST by hellinahandcart (I get information others cannot get, and I have been doing so since I was a child.)
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To: hellinahandcart; aculeus; Constitution Day; Poohbah
Now this is the point. You fancy me mad. Madmen know nothing. But you should have seen me. You should have seen how wisely I proceeded -- with what caution -- with what foresight -- with what dissimulation I went to work!

24 posted on 01/09/2003 12:08:55 PM PST by dighton (You wouldn't call CGEB a looney.)
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To: dighton; aculeus
Madmen know NOTHING, you say?
25 posted on 01/09/2003 12:18:05 PM PST by Constitution Day ( I have a special gift... and so did CGEB)
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To: dighton; hellinahandcart; Poohbah; Constitution Day
Hereafter, perhaps, some intellect may be found which will reduce my phantasm to the commonplace -- some intellect more calm, more logical, and far less excitable than my own, which will perceive... nothing more than an ordinary succession of very natural causes and effects.

Edgar Allan Poe

26 posted on 01/09/2003 12:20:20 PM PST by aculeus (He seemed to me to be oblivious.)
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To: hellinahandcart
Hmmm
27 posted on 01/09/2003 12:20:33 PM PST by Constitution Day (WYBMADIITY)
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To: Constitution Day

It is a dimension of sight and sound...
28 posted on 01/09/2003 12:23:16 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: dighton

Do not attempt to adjust your computer.
29 posted on 01/09/2003 12:24:43 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Constitution Day
Actually, the terrorist plan that manifested itself into 9-11 was known by the DOJ going back to the World Trade Center bombing trials at USDC SDNY...I have the transcripts that detail that the FBI confiscated detailed plans from Ramsey Usef.

Moreover, David Schippers tried in vain to warn the Bush Adminstration about a terrorist plan to fly commercial aircraft into buildings in downtown Manhattan:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25008
30 posted on 01/09/2003 12:31:56 PM PST by TaZ (Amerika; Land of the sleaze, home of the knave...)
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To: John Gobin Shaw
You should probably read the instructions on how to post before you do post.

Otherwise, you are completely right.
It was and is a massive conspiracy.

THEY were circling the Twin Towers at long range in their Black helicopters shooting High Definition Video of the whole thing, and sending it by direct Sat. feed to the other members.
In fact, they are out there now, circling your place, waiting for the go code.
Do not waste time reading more.
Make a Burkha from a bedspread, disguise yourself,and run for it.
Did you get that? Or was I toooo late.

So9

31 posted on 01/09/2003 1:28:57 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: TaZ
Amerika; Land of the sleaze, home of the knave...

You and Bill Clinton could always leave.

So9

32 posted on 01/09/2003 1:33:11 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: TaZ
Moreover, David Schippers tried in vain to warn the Bush Adminstration about a terrorist plan to fly commercial aircraft into buildings in downtown Manhattan:

If Schippers had tried to warn them from a phone booth near a picnic table in Florida, without leaving his name, then you might have a point.

33 posted on 01/09/2003 1:42:05 PM PST by hellinahandcart (In anticipation of more low name calling, nay saying, accusations of fraud, and cheap pop analysis)
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To: dighton
You wouldn't call **** a looney

No, I think the phrase I used was "female-impersonating antisemite". :P

34 posted on 01/09/2003 1:46:34 PM PST by hellinahandcart (I get information others cannot get, and I have been doing so since I was a child.)
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To: Servant of the Nine
"You and Bill Clinton could always leave."

I would love to go to a desolate country with Billy Boy, tell him to leave his SS bodyguard here and I'll be back in a couple days to move another step forward towards restoring the Republic. ; )
35 posted on 01/09/2003 3:47:24 PM PST by TaZ (Amerika; Land of the sleaze, home of the knave...)
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To: hellinahandcart
"If Schippers had tried to warn them from a phone booth near a picnic table in Florida, without leaving his name, then you might have a point"

Before you make anymore moronic statements like that, I suggest that you look at the transcripts about what Mr. Schippers, former lead counsel in the impeachment of Bill Clinton, actually said in multiple nationally syndicated radio/TV interviews regarding his calls to John Ashcroft and several other Congressmen that went unanswered...no one wanted to hear the information he had concerning terorism, they wanted to remain willfully ignorant.

But, I would gather that you're just another mind-numb sheeple that thinks "ignorance is bliss" anyway, so nevermind.
36 posted on 01/09/2003 3:56:04 PM PST by TaZ (Amerika; Land of the sleaze, home of the knave...)
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To: TaZ
Before you make anymore moronic statements like that, I suggest that you look at the transcripts about what Mr. Schippers, former lead counsel in the impeachment of Bill Clinton, actually said in multiple nationally syndicated radio/TV interviews regarding his calls to John Ashcroft and several other Congressmen that went unanswered...

Before you embarass *yourself* any further, I suggest you really read the article at the top of this thread, and then decide if "John Gobin Shaw" has even 1/100th of David Schippers' credibility.

This loon isn't even shooting for Schippers-status. He wants us to think he's a Cassandra.

But, I would gather that you're just another mind-numb sheeple that thinks "ignorance is bliss" anyway, so nevermind.

And I gather that you're a jerk, upon whom a good humor thread is wasted.

On top of that, you're too dependent on cliches.

37 posted on 01/09/2003 4:12:26 PM PST by hellinahandcart (In anticipation of more low name calling, nay saying, accusations of fraud, and cheap pop analysis)
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To: hellinahandcart
Hmmm, I wonder if it's a full moon tonite?
38 posted on 01/09/2003 4:31:35 PM PST by Neets ("The freeks come out at night.....the freeks come out at niiiiiiiiiiiiiight")
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To: Neets; hellinahandcart
In the spirit of trying to figure out this person, I tried a google search on his name. I'm assuming that "John Gobin Shaw" is a real name. Here are results:

John Gobin Shaw

39 posted on 01/09/2003 4:41:50 PM PST by petuniasevan (No, Mr. Shaw, I don't believe your hero fantasy.)
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To: Neets
I don't know, but January's been a really snarky month so far.

40 posted on 01/09/2003 4:46:23 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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41 posted on 01/09/2003 6:06:04 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: hellinahandcart; dighton; aculeus; BlueLancer; Poohbah
I had also told a man named Robert, no less than ten times, very clearly and assertively about the coming attacks.

Should have talked to me first - Robert won't respond unless you call him "Bob"...

42 posted on 01/09/2003 9:30:09 PM PST by general_re (See the Fort Pierce phone book. Or else...)
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To: John Gobin Shaw; KLT
Your story sounds interesting. I'd like to know more details about it. For example, how did you come to communicate with the Saudi university in the first place?

I have no doubt, in retrospect, that the attacks had been planned for years. Who would have more contact with foreigners than an English teacher?

43 posted on 01/16/2003 3:33:15 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Dec31,1999; John Gobin Shaw; stand watie
Your story is compelling...but if I may add a bit...you should never go to local law enforcement with the information you had....Always contact a federal agency such as the ATF, Secret Service, FBI, CIA, CID....

Although, I don't know if what you had heard would have been taken seriously at that time, it certainly would be now...Just a little advice for the future...

Thank you John, for your efforts...keep your eyes and ears open, you never know just what you'll hear...

God Bless

Thank you for the ping...Dec31,1999

44 posted on 01/16/2003 3:52:31 PM PST by KLT (<-------WANTS A CLINTON FREE COUNTRY!)
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To: KLT
!!!!

call me @home-i'm out sick.

FRee dixie,sw

45 posted on 01/18/2003 12:01:07 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: Blueflag

I'd just like to bump this thread as this looney has made cruel sight of the day.

See:

http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com/messagepost.cfm?postaction=reply&catid=32&threadid=776884&messid=6606542&STARTPAGE=1&parentid=0&from=2&showall=true


46 posted on 06/07/2005 11:02:20 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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