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Barry Bonds: "I Wiped out Babe Ruth. Don't Talk About Him No More"
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Posted on 07/16/2003 8:10:06 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: governsleastgovernsbest
You know, part of me wants to like MLB again...but I'll get over it.
21 posted on 07/16/2003 8:22:46 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Bonds is pissed because they haven't named a candy bar after him yet.
22 posted on 07/16/2003 8:22:50 AM PDT by journey7873
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To: Reagan Disciple
[Bonds played in] hitter friendly parks with shorter right field walls.

I really hate to defend Bonds, but let's not forget that Ruth played in Yankee Stadium when the right field line was only 299', even shorter than it is today.

23 posted on 07/16/2003 8:22:57 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Puppage
Add to that all the other sports that are popular today. The present athelete has many choices available to him, thus diluting the baseball talent pool even further.
24 posted on 07/16/2003 8:23:18 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
So none of his home runs have come as a DH (with the possible caveat that he might have DHed and hit home runs in a few interleague games played in AL parks.)

Watching him play in the outfield, he might as well be DH'ing.

25 posted on 07/16/2003 8:24:40 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
But Ruth never took steroids. The only nutritional supplement he took was beer!
26 posted on 07/16/2003 8:24:41 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
That's true...but, he wants to finish his career as a DH.

If he hit his last HR's as a DH, in my view, the record would be "tainted."

I hate the DH rule.
27 posted on 07/16/2003 8:25:44 AM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Guillermo
I hate the DH rule.

"Death Before DH!"

28 posted on 07/16/2003 8:27:21 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Reagan Disciple
Exactly right about number of games.

Ruth hit 714 HR's in 2,503 games. Bonds sits at 643 in 2,519 games. I respect Barry for his accomplishments. I only wish he respected those who came before him for their accomplishments. It doesn't seem like too much to ask.
29 posted on 07/16/2003 8:30:04 AM PDT by WI Conservative 4 Bush (Nobody speaks English, and everything's broken...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
You bet, Barry. Ruth was one of the best left-handed pitchers in baseball in his day. How many innings have you pitched? Idiot.

For my money there are only two players worthy of consideration for the "greatest player" honors - Ruth and Satchel Paige. Both could pitch, field, and hit at the highest professional level. The name "Bonds" isn't even on the radar screen.

30 posted on 07/16/2003 8:30:06 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
LOL
31 posted on 07/16/2003 8:30:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: HamiltonJay
"Bond's attitude and mouth is why he will never every replace Babe Ruth, even if he hits 2 times what Aaron did, he will never be in the same league."

Now, judging solely on anything and everything I have read about the Bambino, he wasn't exactly a classy guy himself. Pointing to the fence before stepping to the plate would put him in the same class as Bonds. The difference is that we didn't witness, first-hand, the "antics" of Ruth. The press went out of their way to hide the off-the-field adventures of the Sultan of Swat. And the press today doesn't give a lick about baseball, they're merely after whatever blood and controversy they can dig up.

As a ball player, you have to be impressed with Bonds. Personally, you don't have to like him at all, but the way I see it, he walks the walk.

32 posted on 07/16/2003 8:32:37 AM PDT by Hatteras (The Thundering Herd Of Turtles ROCK!)
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
Also, what is Barry talking about with regard to Slugging Percentage? From MLB.com, it shows that Babe's career slugging is .690, BA of .342. Barry is at .599 and .296. Whatever...
33 posted on 07/16/2003 8:33:21 AM PDT by WI Conservative 4 Bush (Nobody speaks English, and everything's broken...)
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To: Billthedrill
Here's a great column from the Miami Herald ripping Bonds for ripping the Babe.

Bonds ripping Babe Ruth appears blasphemous

By GREG COTE
Miami Herald

MIAMI - Anything in the way of modesty coming from Barry Bonds would, by this time, seem startlingly false, be too much to expect. Barry and humility have not met. He doesn't do humble. He leads the majors in homers and arrogance, and there are people who think one forgives the other, as if great talent mandates preening ego.

But dissing The Babe?

Our prince of petulance has discovered his latest new low.

Bonds bashing Babe Ruth during the All-Star break is sort of like a cardinal (not Albert Pujols, the other kind) choosing Easter at the Vatican to knock the Pope.

You don't disrespect The Bambino; deference to him is baseball law. If America's Pastime has a deity, it's Babe Ruth.

Oh, sure, you are officially permitted to poke gentle fun at his girth, or at the mincing gait seen in black and white newsreels, or at the idea his off-the-field nickname might well have been the Sultan of Swig.

But you do not - ever - suggest that any conversation about home run hitters should start with any name other than Babe Ruth. Let alone your own name!

Unless you are Barry Bonds.

``As a left-handed hitter, I wiped him out. That's it,'' Bonds brayed Monday. ``And in the baseball world, Babe Ruth's everything, right? I got his slugging percentage, and I'll take his home runs and that's it. Don't talk about him no more.''

It's a marvel how Bonds can be so impressively athletic yet have so little grace.

What he has accomplished speaks for itself. (If only!) The season record of 73 homers. The five MVP awards. The reservation in Cooperstown . . .

But how unbecoming that Bonds would trumpet himself by knocking American sports' all-time icon, a slugger dead nearly 55 years now but vitally alive as the rarest of legitimate legends.

Did Michael Jordan boast how he ``wiped out'' Magic Johnson? Did Dan Marino denigrate Johnny U? Did Hank Aaron, in eventually surpassing Ruth in career homers if not historical esteem, display anything but class in earning the record?

Perhaps Bonds' comments were part of a grand scheme, an orchestration by baseball to divert attention from the fact Tuesday's All-Star Game in Chicago was dominated by semi-stars, with so many first-time selections and a matchup of starting pitchers (Jason Schmidt-Esteban Loaiza) meriting not a marquee but a sandwich board.

Yeah, that's it. A master plan.

First you leave Sammy Sosa off the team so the soundtrack of the game won't be Chisox fans riding Sosa like a found mule while bombing the field with wine corks.

Then you create a media diversion by originally snubbing Marlins wunderkind Dontrelle Lewis (knowing full well he will eventually get on) while including a Pirates reliever with an ERA that looks like a professional bowler's three-game series.

Then you create more controversy by sacrificing Oakland pitcher Barry Veto, oops, Zito, to make a last-minute roster spot for retiring star Roger Clemens.

Then you top it off by having Barry Bonds rip The Babe.

(Oh, one more thing. Almost forgot Tuesday night's seventh-inning stretch, when fans still angry over last year's All-Star Game tie were given bats and invited to sprint after commissioner Bud Selig, who was dressed as a gigantic sausage.)

The thing that's so self-damning about Bonds' comments, beside the gall, is that he's wrong. His career numbers do not surpass Ruth's.

Babe's 714 homers amounted to one every 11.76 at-bats, while Barry's 643 equate to one in 13.36 at-bats. Ruth led the league in homers 12 times. Bonds? Two.

Ruth invented long ball, and you must judge his numbers against his era. When he hit 54 homers in 1920, the NL leader had 15. When Babe hit 60 in 1927, 30 led the NL.

It's more than home runs.

(ASTERISK) Ruth's career batting average (.342) was 57 points higher than the sport-wide average in his era, while Bonds' .295 is 34 points higher.

(ASTERISK) Ruth's career on-base average (.474) was 121 points above average; Bonds' .428 is plus-98.

(ASTERISK) Ruth's career slugging percentage (.690) was 290 points better; Bonds' .595 is plus-191.

There are legitimate yeah-buts on either side that fairly neutralize themselves.

Yeah, but: Ruth played before integration, against only white players.

Yeah, but: Bonds played in the era of inflated home run numbers, always dogged by suspicions of steroids.

Hey, Bonds is the greatest slugger of his generation. Give him credit.

But Babe Ruth invented the genre, and remains the standard.

Give him respect.





34 posted on 07/16/2003 8:34:24 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Billthedrill
Great point about Ruth being a tremendous pitcher.

He set World Series records for pitching and was a member of the 1915, 1916, and 1918 World Series winning Red Sox squads.

Ruth went 18-8 in 1915, 23-12 (league-leading 1.75 ERA and 9 shutouts) in 1916, 24-13 (2.01 ERA) in 1917, and 13-7 in 1918 before moving to the outfield on a more regular basis.
35 posted on 07/16/2003 8:38:16 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: mhking
Arrogant?

He's proven he can do it, so it's not really bragging or arrogant.
36 posted on 07/16/2003 8:38:16 AM PDT by hchutch (The National League needs to adopt the designated hitter rule.)
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To: Billthedrill
Great point about Ruth being a tremendous pitcher.

He set World Series records for pitching and was a member of the 1915, 1916, and 1918 World Series winning Red Sox squads.

Ruth went 18-8 in 1915, 23-12 (league-leading 1.75 ERA and 9 shutouts) in 1916, 24-13 (2.01 ERA) in 1917, and 13-7 in 1918 before moving to the outfield on a more regular basis.
37 posted on 07/16/2003 8:38:16 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Billthedrill
Great point about Ruth being a tremendous pitcher.

He set World Series records for pitching and was a member of the 1915, 1916, and 1918 World Series winning Red Sox squads.

Ruth went 18-8 in 1915, 23-12 (league-leading 1.75 ERA and 9 shutouts) in 1916, 24-13 (2.01 ERA) in 1917, and 13-7 in 1918 before moving to the outfield on a more regular basis.
38 posted on 07/16/2003 8:38:17 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Sorry for the multiple posts, something went kerflooey.
39 posted on 07/16/2003 8:39:00 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: hchutch
You don't think it's arrogant to announce to the world that he has "wiped out Babe Ruth" and that people shouldn't talk about Ruth "no more"?
40 posted on 07/16/2003 8:40:06 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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