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Nathan Tabor is A Young Jesse Helms -- 5th District, NC
National Liberty Journal ^ | Dec/Jan Newsletter | Dr. Jerry Falwell

Posted on 12/15/2003 6:49:33 PM PST by cbess_61

Dr. Jerry Falwell, Publisher, National Liberty Journal

I'm taking the unusual step of informing our readers about one very special 30-year-old candidate for Congress in North Carolina. His name is Nathan Tabor. Son of an ordained Baptist minister, a committed Christian active in his local church, a dynamic young leader – I am convinced Nathan Tabor is a young champion who can make a true difference for our values in Washington.

That’s why I recently committed to Nathan that I will pray for him and personally assist his campaign. While the actual election is one year away, and our ministries cannot support the candidacy of any prospective leader, I am personally, as one tax-paying citizen, very excited that such a fine young man feels the call of God to run for the North Carolina 5th Congressional seat in the U. S. House of Representatives.

Nathan Tabor has helped build a successful family business in Kernersville, N.C. Revival Soy has over 130 employees and is one of the fastest growing businesses in western North Carolina.

More importantly though, Nathan Tabor is a committed Christian – active in his local church and dedicated to serving God through his time, talents and energy.

Nathan and his family have long been strong supporters of conservative faith-based organizations like Tim and Beverly LaHaye’s Concerned Women For America. Nathan has worked hard on evangelistic outreach efforts in his community through the Harvest Crusade and a community men’s Bible study.

On the issues, Nathan Tabor is a rock-solid conservative – unflinchingly pro-life, for lower taxes, strongly supportive of traditional family values and for a strong national defense. Nathan Tabor will go to Congress and stand with President Bush.

Nathan is running in an open seat Republican primary and the primary election will be held next spring.

For information on this young man, contact Nathan’s campaign at www.nathantaborforcongress.com, or e-mail Nathan directly at Nathan@taborforcongress.com.


TOPICS: North Carolina; Campaign News; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: buyingvotes; congress; jessehelms; northcarolina
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1 posted on 12/15/2003 6:49:34 PM PST by cbess_61
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To: Howlin; TaxRelief; RightOnGOP; GraniteStateConservative; JohnnyZ
I never realized that FR is so popular in the Winston-Salem area.
2 posted on 12/15/2003 8:03:31 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; Al B.; alancarp; AntiGuv; billbears; boomop1; Carolina; ...
Look who's back! :-)
3 posted on 12/15/2003 8:07:44 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Kuksool

4 posted on 12/15/2003 8:08:41 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: William Creel; Howlin
LOL! What's he going after? Pickeral or Northern Pike?


6 posted on 12/15/2003 8:38:23 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: Kuksool; Huber
It's Huber's fault! He tells EVERYBODY about Freerepublic!
7 posted on 12/15/2003 8:39:40 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: NathanTabor; All
Anyone have questions for Mr. Tabor?
8 posted on 12/15/2003 8:52:38 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: TaxRelief; Kuksool
Hey, even RINOs and Jim and Tammy-Faye clones can be hit up for the dollar a day club!
10 posted on 12/15/2003 8:59:06 PM PST by Huber (That's right, FreeRepublic.com! Tell your friends! Get 'em to contribute)
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To: Dan from Michigan
How are you going to pay back all those campaign loans and will this put Revival Soy out of business? (I like the soy bars).
11 posted on 12/15/2003 9:00:52 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: All
I'm taking the unusual step of informing our readers about one very special 30-year-old candidate for Congress in North Carolina.

Your soy dollars at work!

12 posted on 12/15/2003 9:04:44 PM PST by Huber (Soy: the other, other white meat)
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To: Huber
I like the soy bars. :(
13 posted on 12/15/2003 9:06:36 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: TaxRelief
Hello TaxRelief,

Haven't had the bars or any of the products. I will take your word for that.

However, FEC does not allow a company, any company, to loan money.
15 posted on 12/15/2003 9:30:45 PM PST by cbess_61
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To: Dan from Michigan
Okay, here's serious questions - tough, but fair. Few are "disqualifiers" for the "wrong" answer, but these are intended to dig beneath the usual level of banter:

(1) Frankly speaking, 30 years old strikes me as being still 'wet behind the ears' politically -- particularly when one shoots for a Congressional seat for his first effort. While I'll yield that the resume looks good, and I'll stipulate as well to the Conservative credentials, Congress is a place where one can get steamrolled without experience in give-and-take. How can you insure us that you will protect the interests of this area with that lack of experience?

(2) You live in Kernersville -- the eastern outpost of a substantially rural district (no, I can't fault you for where you live thanks to our district lines). Nonetheless, you are presenting yourself to represent the whole district. I've seen nothing thus far of your understanding of your potential constituents. Can you provide discussion to this?

(3) There's another way to look at this, and I am curious as to your philosophy: Congress has evolved from a body concerned about local issues to one driven more by national topics - most of the latter since you were probably cognizant of that. So will your campaign focus on local issues (requiring most focus inwardly on the district) or are you satisfied to discuss this seat as more of a national office and campaign relative to national issues?

[As an example - Jay Helvey is talking in his ads about closures of factories and lost jobs in the district]

(4) What are your priorities in running for Congress, and what do you think will actually be accomplished?

(4a) Given that this would indeed be your first political foray, how do you anticipate making that happen (and please, don't give me the 'forge coalitions with like-minded, yet unnamed fellow members of Congress' line -- that's not helpful: who do you know that can prove to us that you've got the connections to really make a difference?)?

(4b) What single issue drives you to stick your neck out and do this?

(5) Please answer the following multi-choice positional questions:

(a) Gun Control: more, less, about the same?
(b) Iraq, War on Terror: support more, roll-back, continue?
(c) Discretionary Spending: where do we need more, less, or continuation of same?
(d) Name some ways to boost the economy that Congress can do
(e) Abortion laws: encourage, reduce, or eliminate?
(f) Dept of Education: eliminate, maintain?
(g) Affirmative Action: encourage, reduce, or eliminate?
(h) Education: more funding, less funding, vouchers?
(i) Education: more federal or more state control?
(j) Taxes on wealthy: more or less?
(k) Taxes on all: flat, more progressive, less progressive?
(l) Bush Tax cuts: encourage, reduce, or eliminate?
(m) Home Schools: encourage, reduce, or eliminate?
(n) Tobacco Trade: encourage, reduce, or eliminate?
(o) Overseas Job Outsourcing/H1B Visas: encourage, reduce, or eliminate?
(p) US in the United Nations: encourage, reduce, or eliminate?
(q) International Law used in the US: encourage, reduce, or eliminate?
(r) Prayer in Schools, God in the Pledge, Ten Commandments, In God We Trust, .... you get the idea: encourage, reduce, or eliminate?
(s) Would you have voted for the Medicare Overall as enacted with Prescription Drug coverages?

(6) What are the reasons for skyrocketing medical costs, and is this a problem?

(7) How should most people be able to fund their retirement and declining years?

(8) How should North Carolina deal with job losses and industrial output losses -- and is this a Congressional role to repair?

(9) Does Revival Soy employ -- at any level of operations -- any non-American citizens? Please elaborate. Oh, I suppose that's pretty good for a start... Cheers, and good luck. [Nate's now #2 on my radar screen, but as I keep saying, it's early yet.]

16 posted on 12/15/2003 9:53:24 PM PST by alancarp (Support Diversity: Hire a Neanderthal)
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To: alancarp
I am just a reader of the National Liberty Journal. You will have to visit www.nathantaborforcongress.com or email nathan@taborforcongress.com. This is the contact info given in the article.
17 posted on 12/15/2003 10:24:46 PM PST by cbess_61
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To: cbess_61
Gee, this sounded a lot like a forum soliciting questions and advertise a campaign for Congress. That's what Dan-from-michigan essentially said. I'd like the forum to see the answers where our traditional discussion can then take place.

I guess in short: the offer was made and I've jumped in -- I shouldn't have to work any harder for the answers if the candidate wishes a vote.

I'll check back.

18 posted on 12/15/2003 10:29:14 PM PST by alancarp (Support Diversity: Hire a Neanderthal)
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To: alancarp
I just thought it was a good article about a young man running for office.

I bet if you email him or let him know this site exists he would answer you. He is running for office.

However, that is up to you. I am just glad to see some younger people interested.
19 posted on 12/15/2003 10:35:18 PM PST by cbess_61
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To: alancarp; Dan from Michigan
Retread.
20 posted on 12/16/2003 2:00:17 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: alancarp
I'll let his campaign know that he has some questions to answer. Maybe we can even schedule a time to get him into a live thread.
21 posted on 12/16/2003 3:36:14 AM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: Kuksool
This is starting to get silly.

This thread has now been hijacked...

Send Vernon to DC and watch the Democraps squirm.

22 posted on 12/16/2003 3:59:24 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("Howard Dean is incontrovertible proof that God is on Bush's side in the 2004 election"- Dick Morris)
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To: TaxRelief; alancarp
This has been Tabor's campaign all along: Lots of noise, not much substance. His campaign literature is deceitful at best. I smell a staunch equivocator, firm as warm gelatin on every issue.
23 posted on 12/16/2003 5:44:51 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: GraniteStateConservative
No, not really hijacked. So far in the 5th district, we have Ed Powell (lousy campaigner), Ed Broyhill (a jerk), Virginia Foxx (a politico; semi-RINO), Jay Helvey (neuvo-conservative at best), Vernon Robinson (the black Jesse Helms), and Nate Tabor (the young Jesse Helms).

I'm looking for substance. I'm tired of cliches and one-liners. And I want somebody to work to earn a vote that's available right now. Given that this is the premier conservative forum on the web, I believe this to be the time and place for such an effort. ... Though maybe back to the chat room, admittedly.

24 posted on 12/16/2003 6:54:21 AM PST by alancarp (Support Diversity: Hire a Neanderthal)
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To: Howlin; alancarp
Nathan Tabor was on here himself awhile back.
25 posted on 12/16/2003 7:40:10 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("if you wanna run cool, you got to run, on heavy heavy fuel" - Dire Straits)
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To: alancarp
The only way to truly evaluate a candidate is by looking at his voting record and his sources of campaign contributions. Maybe something he says can be brought onto the table, but not if it is from a major media quote that is out of context.



The only two with public records are Mrs. Foxx and Mr. Robinson.

Both vote conservatively.


Mrs. Foxx has accepted contributions from NCPride (a gay lobby) but says she will not do so again.

Mr. Robinson has accepted money from small contributors, and so far, there have not been any reports that show contributions from Liberal Groups.

My friend at World Newspapers says Helvey's and Broyhill's contributions, primarily personal loans are also clean so far.

The other candidates are "unknowns" (in terms of verified political positions), with the exception of Jay Helvey. Mr. Helvey has a reputation, among the blue hairs, of being a good business man.
I will get copies of there campaign finance filings the next chance I get to share with you all.
26 posted on 12/16/2003 7:44:44 AM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: NCSteve
NCSteve,

I read your message and decided to do some research. Nathan Tabor has over 80 pastors on a steering committee. Has been endorsed by Mike Farris, the Madison Project, Sandy Rios, Beverly LeHaye, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Bob Jones III, the past president of NC Right to Life, past president of Lutherans for Life, have over 15 gun stores on a steering committee.

Are you looking at the same Nathan Tabor? Because what I found in doing research is that this "30 Year Old Kid" is really a YOUNG JESSE HELMS!

I don't live in the district, however, I am going to try my best to help this young man. It takes alot of courage and motivation to run for office.

I see him being a great help to my Congressman, Walter Jones! We need more men and women of God in office.
27 posted on 12/16/2003 9:03:46 AM PST by cbess_61
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To: cbess_61
Ok, so you are a seminar poster (to borrow one from Rush). That's fair enough.

However, I know Vernon Robinson personally and know him to be a stauch, unbending conservative. All I have seen from Tabor is some pretty non-descript blather and some pretty devious implications in his campaign literature. All my political contacts say it is pretty obvious Tabor is being "handled" and no one can get a grip on exactly where he stands. As devout as I am and as much as I agree with your position with regard to establishing men and women of faith in political seats, just asserting his devotion and dropping some names won't be good enough.

Tabor will need to give us some facts and salient positions before he can expect much support from anyone in this forum. I have received a couple of mailings from Tabor and seen some third-party assessments and as far as I can discern, there is no substance. Conversely, Vernon Robinson's positions are a matter of public record.

Hope this makes things more clear. Conservatives are tired of being sold down the river by people who appear to have good intentions before the election. Falwell and Robertson aren't exactly faultless sources of political reference. Too many of their guys turned out to be either unelectable or jelly-spined once they did get elected. If Tabor wants hard-core political support from conservatives, he has to put up or shut up.
28 posted on 12/16/2003 10:31:14 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: NCSteve
NCSteve,

I have gotten Vernon's mail pieces also. Is he going to be a good Congressman because "Jesse Helms is back and he's Black?" You talk so much about substain and then you talk about Vernon. From what I have seen the two don't go together. I have done some research on Vernon. He idea of running for office involves attacking others and being radical.

I called Nathan's office and had him fax me his mailers.

One was a intro piece. Who he was, etc. A nice FLUFFY piece I agree.

The second was a TABOR plan -- Taxpayer's Bill of Rights -- a very deep insight into his policy statement on taxes, IRS, inheritance tax and 2/3 majority to raise taxes. Then I visited his website where he goes into further detail.

The third piece was a 2nd amendment piece. There was ALOT of substain that politicians won't normally say. He is for all bans against semi-automatic weapons! A NO-NO for politicians.

On his website he goes into detail on his positions.

I agree with you completely that Falwell, Robertson, etc don't matter one bit. I hope you will agree that Jack Kemp, Alan Keyes, etc don't matter one bit.

So, from my research if Nathan is being "handled" it is by someone who is keeping him on message, on a very tight Christian, conservative message. A positive one at that. He doesn't have anything negative to say about other candidates.

I see you are from Stokes. It really impressed me to see Nathan has six offices in the 5th District. This kid wants to reach the voters. Here is the link to the one located in Stokes -- http://www.taborforcongress.com/king.html
29 posted on 12/16/2003 11:07:37 AM PST by cbess_61
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To: NCSteve
oh yea -- what do you mean by put up or shut up? Everything I have read or heard now points to him being conservative.
30 posted on 12/16/2003 11:08:37 AM PST by cbess_61
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To: cbess_61
MISTAKE -- Nathan Tabor is against ALL bans on semi-automatic weapons -- sorry for mistaking his position.
31 posted on 12/16/2003 11:15:39 AM PST by cbess_61
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To: cbess_61
MISTAKE -- Nathan Tabor is against ALL bans on semi-automatic weapons -- sorry for mistaking his position.
32 posted on 12/16/2003 11:15:39 AM PST by cbess_61
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To: NCSteve
You are absolutely right, NC Steve. Mr. Robinson is a "staunch, unbending conservative". I watched him in City Alderman meetings on the government channel when I lived up there, and he always stood up for self-responsibility, and property rights.

I agree, too, that the only platform Nathan seems to have is "I'm a Christian". But best I can tell, all of the candidates are Christians.

I checked the state BOE (Board of Elections) web site and the next filing deadline is Jan 31, 2004. The last one was July 31, 2003. So I think we'll have to wait until then to get the campaign finance info.

On the issue of finance, it has just occurred to me that Vernon is the only one who does not have any family money to put into the campaign. That says a lot, too.
33 posted on 12/16/2003 12:25:02 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: NathanTabor
There are a lot of questions on this thread for you to answer, please. You might want to read the whole thread, but ignore the after-too-much-wine-craving-a-soy-bar postings around post #11.

34 posted on 12/16/2003 12:34:15 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: cbess_61
In the first mailing I got from Tabor, he gave his biography (carefully avoiding mention of his age, BTW) and went on to imply that he was being endorsed for the position by a number of prominent GOP leaders. It was the exact language of the implications that made me suspicious. Also, there was not a single issue-related statement in that mailer. All he said was that he was a conservative.

In the second mailer, he once again carefully avoided any mention of his age and included a picture with several people in it. No one in the photo was identified and there was a large variation in ages. I had to ask a political consultant I know to identify him for me. I thought the person in the photo who I eventually came to know as Tabor was about fifteen years old. This mailer extended the insinuations of the first, but went on to say that he didn't actually have the endorsements of any of these GOP and conservative leaders but that he just knows they would endorse him if they had a chance. To be honest, I actually began to suspect Tabor was a spoof candidate at this point. Think about it, some kid that looks to be fifteen years old and thinks that wishing for major endorsements is the same as having them? What would you think? Once again, this mailer was completely content-free as far as issues go.

As for Vernon, step to any Robinson thread and you will find his positions on just about every major issue of the day enumerated in great detail. I will try to find the last mailing I got from Vernon, which was a bulleted list with his exact positions on about thirty different issues and post it on FR. As for your comment about Vernon's persona, you are indicating that you are another that just doesn't get it. The things Vernon says are not an act. He walks the walk as well as he talks the talk. He isn't "acting like" anything. Those are the things he believes, sometimes to his own detriment. Is he arrogant? Absolutely. Is he a sometimes pain in the rear end? Positively. Is he a dedicated, unswerving constitutional libertarian conservative? You better believe it. From the top of his head to the tips of his toes.

Vernon has stood in the fire and come through undiverted. Vernon has stood up to the combined might of the entire liberal establishment in NC in ways most people don't even comprehend. Most importantly, Vernon has withstood the concerted onslaughts of the jelly-spined, limp-wristed GOP establishment in NC and still keeps going. When Nathan Tabor can say that, then he will have earned some serious attention.
35 posted on 12/16/2003 1:29:52 PM PST by NCSteve
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To: Dan from Michigan
Thanks for the link - I hadn't gotten to the 'research section' yet: saved me some time. That was kindofa long-lived thread, eh?
36 posted on 12/16/2003 1:48:09 PM PST by alancarp (Support Diversity: Hire a Neanderthal)
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To: NCSteve
Vernon's the man! Hope he can pull it off, but there is a lot of money against him.

Is there, or is there not a run-off in NC...Is the target 40 something % or 50% to avoid one?
37 posted on 12/16/2003 2:12:41 PM PST by Amish
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To: NCSteve
I hate to say this -- but you are not honest. The second mailer was the TABOR Plan -- Taxpayer's Bill of Rights. It was all about taxes and his stances on the issues.

The third mailer was all about 2nd amendment rights and his stances on the issues.

Please be honest if you wish to post things.
38 posted on 12/16/2003 2:24:27 PM PST by cbess_61
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To: cbess_61; NCSteve
How do you know which mailings NCSteve has received and in what order? Do you hide in his mailbox?
39 posted on 12/16/2003 7:07:07 PM PST by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic!)
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To: cbess_61; NCSteve; TaxRelief
So, from my research if Nathan is being "handled" it is by someone who is keeping him on message, on a very tight Christian, conservative message. A positive one at that. He doesn't have anything negative to say about other candidates.

How do you define "positive" message. What a liberal term! Damning with faint praise should not be confused with infusing a positive message. Rather it is simply the Southern Democrat skill of smiling broadly and politely while inserting your blade. Hardly a conservative trait.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. There are enough inconsistencies in the information being propagated by the Tabor campaign, (who are cultivating a squeaky-clean image), that you know that there is something wrong. No one is going to spend the time or effort investigating this campaign, but instincts will drive people in a different direction. That's why our only option is to go back to NC Steve's and Tax Relief's points. Namely, that talk is cheap - look for the track record.

40 posted on 12/16/2003 7:41:06 PM PST by Huber (Soy: the other, other white meat)
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To: TaxRelief; cbess_61
Beat me to it, TaxRelief!

cbess_61,

I have never received any of the other mailings from Tabor. Your posting referring the TABOR plan mailer and the 2nd Amendment mailer are the first I've heard of them. I would love to see them.
41 posted on 12/17/2003 6:36:27 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: NCSteve
Good points. I guess he could be making all this up. If so, for a 30 year old kid he sure has pulled the wool over alot of people's eyes. From my understanding even Vernon's own pastor is on his steering committee. The pastor introduced Nathan at two services.

So, either way -- the kid has something about him that others like.

I have no problem with Vernon either. I have been to his website and agree with him 100%
42 posted on 12/17/2003 9:55:18 AM PST by cbess_61
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To: Amish
I believe Congressional seats have to achieve a plurality (40%).

If not, they fall under the regular runoff rules which are so complicated you need a masters in political science to understand them. I would say a runoff in NC5 is just about assured.
43 posted on 12/17/2003 1:46:55 PM PST by NCSteve
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To: NCSteve
Yes, 40% plus one to win -- unless the primary is pushed to September. Then it is a winner take all situation.

44 posted on 12/17/2003 7:41:51 PM PST by cbess_61
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To: cbess_61
In this same thread, you claimed you reside in the 3rd District of NC, but then told a resident of the 5th District that you know the mail he's been sent by the snake oil salesman (Nathan Tabor). Why don't you just come clean and fess up that you're an employee of soyboy's campaign? You should demote yourself to a lurker if you're going to be dishonest with us.
45 posted on 12/17/2003 8:35:44 PM PST by conservativegadfly1
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To: conservativegadfly1
I am glad you can read. I said I called his office and he sent me his mailers. Nice try. However, when you don't lie it's easy to keep the facts straight.

Go ahead and admit you work for another candidate. You are the one who just signed on and made this post.

I haven't said I was supporting anyone. I even said I agreed with Vernon 100%

TROLL please leave this thread!!!

TROLL -- go away!



46 posted on 12/17/2003 9:23:37 PM PST by cbess_61
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To: cbess_61
You can ask Jim Robinson how long conservativegadfly has been registered (more than six months). Your propensity for speaking out of ignorance remains uninterrupted. In case you're curious, I had to reregister with a new password today because I lost my saved password and Jim could resend it to only my old email address.
47 posted on 12/17/2003 9:58:26 PM PST by conservativegadfly1
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To: Amish
"Is there, or is there not a run-off in NC...Is the target 40 something % or 50% to avoid one?"


Congressional primaries in NC go on to a run-off between the top 2 finishers if no one gets at least 40% of the vote. In 1992, current Republican Congressman Walter Jones, Jr. would have been elected to the House as a Democrat in the black-majority 1st CD had there not been a 40% requirement---he led the RAT primary with 38%, but Eva Clayton beat him in the run-off.

Hopefully Vernon Robinson will finish in the top 2 in the 5th CD GOP primary and go on to victory in the run-off.
48 posted on 12/18/2003 11:16:19 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: cbess_61
Great Post. Thanks!
http://www.taborforcongress.com/issues.html
49 posted on 12/18/2003 3:13:29 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: cbess_61; TaxRelief; GraniteStateConservative
I am a young Jesse Helms. Cloned and raised in a test tube.

I am also Chinese (Taiwan family origin, but ethnically Chinese).

And I have a broken ankle.

50 posted on 12/18/2003 3:29:16 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Colgate Raiders Football: 14-0 and advancing through the I-AA playoffs)
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