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Burns Out/Rehberg In? (potentially vulnerable GOP Senator may retire)
Ankle Biting Pundits ^ | January 9, 2006 | H-Bomb

Posted on 01/10/2006 7:03:58 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican

Burns Out/Rehberg In?

Considering the fact that Sen. Conrad Burns from Montana was below 50% in the pre-Abramoff "I'm guilty" ballot question, word is now spreading like wildfire inside Washington, DC that Burns will soon announce his retirement.

A source on Capitol Hill tells me that the National Republican Senatorial Committee is polling feverishly to see if the Senate seat is salvagable should Burns seek re-election. The prognosis, I am told, is not good.

Enter Congressman Denny Rehberg, Montana's wildly popular At-Large member of Congress. Rehberg briefly flirted with the idea of running against Max Baucus in 2002, but decided against it at the last minute (Baucus easily won re-election.)

Insiders tell me that Rehberg would be a strong candidate for an open seat and is beginning to be recruited heavily by members of the Upper Chamber and even the White House.

Stay tuned ...


TOPICS: Montana; Campaign News; Parties; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: burns; conradburns; dennyrehberg; montanasenate; rehberg; senate2006
More rumors that Senator Conrad Burns may not seek reelection.
1 posted on 01/10/2006 7:04:00 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; JohnnyZ; Kuksool; Dan from Michigan; Coop; Impy; LdSentinal; ...

Senator Conrad Burns of Montana has not been polling very well of late, and appears to have been hurt seriously by the Jack Abramoff scandal (Burns was perhaps the biggest benefactor of campaign contributions from Abramoff-affiliated groups and Abramoff clients). Senator Burns's seat is up in 2006, and Democrats believe that they will be able to defeat him in November. While I still think that Senator Burns would get reelected, there is no reason why we should have to fight to retain a Senate seat in a state where President Bush got 59% in 2004. Thus, I would prefer that Senator Burns would forego reelection and that Congressman Denny Rehberg, a solid conservative who is very popular among Montana voters, ran for the Senate.

Having the relatively young Rehberg (I think he's 51) run for the Senate would not only ensure that we'll hold the Senate seat in 2006, it would also greatly improve our chances of holding the seat in 2012, the year in which Democrat Brian Schweitzer will be completing his second and final term as governor (assuming that he wins reelection in 2008, which is a contingency against which we should be prepared), and if the Republican incumbent Senator is a 77-year-old Conrad Burns it would give the Democrats a golden opportunity of capturing the seat. However, if Denny Rehberg is the incumbent Senator, I don't think Schweitzer would waste his time running for the Senate that year.

So Congressman Rehberg would be our best choice for the Senate both in the short- and long-term. I hope Senator Burns belatedly keeps the promise he made in 1988 to go home after one term.


2 posted on 01/10/2006 7:22:58 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Why didn't he do this tweleve years ago?
3 posted on 01/10/2006 7:26:05 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I agree that Burns is highly vulnerable, but isn't he known for his personal stubbornness? I suspect that he does not want to bow out, but he might if he is convinced that he cannot win. Republican senators in MT have been a real rarity since statehood.


4 posted on 01/10/2006 8:15:42 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Burns was seeking his second term 12 years ago, and voters approved of his job performance.


5 posted on 01/10/2006 9:27:13 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; Kuksool; zbigreddogz; JohnnyZ

The article overstates its case when it describes Rehberg as "wildly popular", but you're on the money when you say he's the best candidate available. He would definitely be the favorite against John Morrison (the likely Dem. nominee).

And how's this for a senario: ex-Gov. Marc Racicot runs for the House to succeed Rehberg, then challenges Max Baucus in 2010?


6 posted on 01/10/2006 9:30:36 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Racicot could have challenged Baucus in 2002 but declined.


7 posted on 01/10/2006 9:42:41 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I just checked the statistics and found that MT has had a total of eight Republican senators in its history. But there have been only TWO Republican senators from the state since 1913, Zales Ecton and Conrad Burns.


8 posted on 01/10/2006 9:47:16 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Theodore R.

Racicot wouldn't run for the House for all the tea in China. If he was "too good" to run for the Senate in 2002 (when he would have trounced Baucus), why would he run for a 2-year term to be one of 435?

Hopefully Racicot will reconsider and run against Baucus in 2008 (which is when the seat comes up), but the GOP would need another candidate to run for the House.

As for exactly how popular Rehberg is, I think you're right that "wildly popular" is a bit hyperbolic, but Rehberg has gotten over 60% in his House reelection races. Unless a higher-profile Democrat runs, Rehberg will win the Senate race.


9 posted on 01/10/2006 10:01:27 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Theodore R.; fieldmarshaldj

"I just checked the statistics and found that MT has had a total of eight Republican senators in its history. But there have been only TWO Republican senators from the state since 1913, Zales Ecton and Conrad Burns."



Very interesting. I knew Burns had been the only GOP Senator from MT to be reelected (at least since the popular election of Senators began), but one would think that a couple of more Republicans would have been elected.

Michael Dukakis got 46% in Montana in 1988---I don't think a Democrat presidential candidate will ever again get such a high percentage of the vote in the state.


10 posted on 01/10/2006 10:04:32 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
"Michael Dukakis got 46% in Montana in 1988---I don't think a Democrat presidential candidate will ever again get such a high percentage of the vote in the state."

I never say never regarding anything these days. Of course, Clinton received a paltry 38% of the vote 4 years later -- and won the state because Bush, Sr. dropped his performance from 52% to 35%. Perot received 26%. It was one of the few (only ?) states where you saw practically a 3-way split of the vote.

11 posted on 01/10/2006 10:30:10 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; JohnnyZ; Kuksool

Yeah, Racicot is not going to run for the House seat, period. In fact, if Rehberg vacates the seat to run for the Senate, we may have considerable difficulty holding the House seat because we have no one warming up in the bullpen. I heard some vague rumors about ex-Congressman Rick Hill making a comeback (he was forced into retirement when he was quickly facing the prospect of losing his eyesight), since apparently his health problems were corrected (I could be wrong, but that's what I heard).

The only other GOP statewide officeholder is the Secretary of State, Brad Johnson, and I don't know if he'd be anxious to jump into an open-seat House race.

Former Lt Gov Karl Ohs (the current state party chair) might also be a decent candidate.


12 posted on 01/10/2006 10:36:25 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Historically, hasn't Montana's Democratic strength been in the union dominated mining areas in the western part of the state? With the decline of mining, the weakening of union power, and the shift in liberal philosophy from emphasizing labor issues and union rights to causes like abortion access, euthanasia, and homosexual rights, it would seem that Democratic strength in Montana is bound to decline. Montana may never be as conservative as Utah or Wyoming, but it should be moving to GOP dominance.
13 posted on 01/10/2006 10:37:32 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Conrad Burns?

He was great on "Diff'rent Strokes". A good role model to Todd and Gary. He also told it like it was to Maude. But couldn't he have done more for Dana Plato?

14 posted on 01/10/2006 10:41:00 AM PST by x
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Maine had even more of a three-way race in 1992: Clinton got 38.77%, to 30.44% for Perot and 30.39% for Bush.

Montana's performance in 1992 was very similar to Nevada's, where Clinton got 37.36% to Bush's 34.73% and Perot's 26.19%.

Had Perot not been on the ballot in 1992, I estimate that Bush would have carried Montana by 52.7% to 45.4% and Nevada by 50.9% to 46.5%, while Maine would have been too close to call.


15 posted on 01/10/2006 10:51:04 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: x

Well, he was born a man of means, but then along came two that had nothin' but their jeans, and that's when he learned what it takes to move the world.

But you'd think he would have done something to keep Gordon Jump from molesting poor Dudley.


16 posted on 01/10/2006 10:53:45 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Wallace T.

I agree. 1988 was pretty much the union Democrats' last hurrah, allowing Dukakis to carry WV, Western PA and Eastern OH and doing well in MT and SD despite his extremely liberal social views. It would take a very different Democrat Party to win back those areas.


17 posted on 01/10/2006 10:57:33 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; x
Mr. Carlson molested Dudley ? That explains why he never tried to have a go at Jennifer Marlowe...


18 posted on 01/10/2006 11:17:11 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I think the assumption for '92 is that if Perot had been out for good, that most would've voted for Bush, Sr. (since it is apparent that Clinton, in a lot of instances, only held roughly the same, sometimes less, sometimes more, of Dukakis's voters), but I still think in a head-to-head matchup, Clinton probably would've eked out a win (because a lot of the Perot voters either would've stayed home or voted for Clinton in protest).


19 posted on 01/10/2006 11:20:17 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I think half the Perot voters would have stayed home had he not been on the ballot (which would have resulted in a percentage turnout similar to 1988), but the Perot voters who would have voted would have preferred Bush over Clinton by around 2:1, which would mean that the national popular vote would be around 49.5% each. That would result in Bush picking up at least GA, MT, CO, NH, OH, NV, WI, NJ (not a typo) and KY, with IA, CT and ME too close to call; for Bush to have won, he would have had to carry both IA and CT.


20 posted on 01/10/2006 11:42:42 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

You have a lot more faith in those voters than I would. I'd go so far as to say if Perot had pulled out for a second and final time, he would've endorsed Clinton. It's hard to overstate the absolute hatred Perot had for Bush, Sr.


21 posted on 01/10/2006 12:06:11 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

"for Bush to have won, he would have had to carry both IA and CT."

I was thinking, even in '92, Iowa seemed to have a particular distaste for Bush, Sr. He lost rather handily to Dukakis there in '88 (partly due to reaction against the Administration on the "farm belt depression", IIRC), and I see no way for him to have won the state over Clinton. It took 20 years for Iowa to finally come back to the GOP column after 1984, and not by a particularly impressive margin.


22 posted on 01/10/2006 12:16:02 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

There's no way Raicoit would run for House. If he wants back in, it's him that should succeed Burns and Rehberg should stay where he is and run against Baucus in 2008.

But either way is fine for me. I think one or the other should probably signal primary challenge at this point. It would make sure Burns will retire, because either would probably win if he ran.


23 posted on 01/10/2006 12:18:50 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Now, now, don't get externalities into my hypothetical. : )


24 posted on 01/10/2006 1:04:22 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

"Now, now, don't get externalities into my hypothetical. : )"

Ew, that sounds kinda gay. =8-0


25 posted on 01/10/2006 1:22:26 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

"I was thinking, even in '92, Iowa seemed to have a particular distaste for Bush, Sr."



Bush made a bit of a comeback in Iowa in 1992 due to higher crop prices---same thing happened in Wisconsin. I think a Perot-less election would have gone down to the wire in Iowa that year, with the winner winning the presidency.


26 posted on 01/10/2006 1:28:07 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Of course, must also remember that if Bush, Sr. had won a 2nd term, we would not have likely won Congress in '94. It usually takes the shock of a disastrous 'Rat administration to scare the straights into supporting the GOP (a la 1966, 1980, 1994).


27 posted on 01/10/2006 2:14:44 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

"Of course, must also remember that if Bush, Sr. had won a 2nd term, we would not have likely won Congress in '94."



You may be right, especially since one of the reasons the GOP swept in 1994 was because Perot voters of 1992 flocked to the GOP; had Perot stayed out of the race after he got out the first time, many of those new voters wouldn't have voted at all in 1992 and probably not in 1994 either.


28 posted on 01/10/2006 3:41:55 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; new yorker 77; zbigreddogz; JohnnyZ; dubyaismypresident

I doubt that Secretary of State Brad Johnson would run for Congress if Rehberg runs for the Senate. He's only held his current office for a year, and won it by only 51% to 49%.

I think that state Public Service Commissioner Brad Molnar would be a good candidate.


29 posted on 01/10/2006 5:53:42 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I'm also hopeful that Conrad Burns decides to return to Montana and Denny Rehberg replaces him.


30 posted on 01/10/2006 5:58:44 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Politically, Rehberg would be a dam site better than Burns. At least Rehberg makes no bones about the fact he's conservative.


31 posted on 01/10/2006 6:02:23 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: Theodore R.
I agree that Burns is highly vulnerable, but isn't he known for his personal stubbornness?

He does have the tenacity to fight, but the fact that he's mulling retirement, to me suggests he knows he's vulnerable.

32 posted on 01/10/2006 6:04:52 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: BigSkyFreeper; AZRepublican; Utah Girl; PhilDragoo; HitmanNY; Las Vegas Dave; zbigreddogz; ...

ping


33 posted on 01/10/2006 6:24:45 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I believe that IA also went for Dukakis, didn't it?


34 posted on 01/10/2006 8:25:44 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Theodore R.

"I believe that IA also went for Dukakis, didn't it?"



Yes, as did Wisconsin. But I didn't include them on the list because it wasn't totally due to union Democrats, as was proven in 2000 and 2004 when Gore and Kerry each got between 48%-50% in each state; a surprisingly high number of Iowans and Wisconsinites are social liberals, although both states are still for the most part pro-life.


35 posted on 01/11/2006 6:02:22 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

BTW, that picture of Loni Anderson you posted is still being replaced by a box with a little red x. The least they could have done is place two huge red xs . . .


36 posted on 01/12/2006 12:27:34 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Hehehe...


37 posted on 01/12/2006 12:41:03 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

DJ, this is no laughing matter. You must be breaking some sort of rule by mentioning Jennifer Marlowe, claiming to post a picture of her, being told that the picture didn't work, and then chuckling instead of posting a picture that works. Don't make me sic the Mods at you. : )


38 posted on 01/12/2006 1:04:01 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
OK, OK... Here she is...
39 posted on 01/12/2006 1:18:57 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That's more like it. Pretty good picture of Bailey, too.


40 posted on 01/12/2006 1:25:18 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I always thought Bailey was more my speed. I worried Loni would've been fatal to my thumbs.

BTW, can you believe James Brolin divorced Bailey (Jan Smithers) for Barbra Streisand ?!?


41 posted on 01/12/2006 1:42:33 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Barbra Streisand has more money, fame, and power. He married up, career-wise anyway.


42 posted on 01/13/2006 6:43:53 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

Then again, maybe he's just gay.


43 posted on 01/13/2006 6:58:19 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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