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Butch Otter’s succession sparks a GOP family feud in Idaho
The Hill ^ | April 27, 2006 | Jonathan E. Kaplan

Posted on 04/28/2006 3:46:44 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

The six-way race to win the Republican nomination in Idaho’s 1st Congressional District has turned into a full-fledged family feud, fraught with intraparty tensions and resentments.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Idaho; Campaign News; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: 109th; butchotter; gopprimary; idaho; robertvasquez

1 posted on 04/28/2006 3:46:48 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued
Some Republicans are concerned that a win by either state Rep. Bill Sali (R-Idaho), whom some Idaho GOP leaders consider a lightning rod,

Which means he is notta rhinoceroses. This guy is supported by Club for Growth and that's good enough for me.

2 posted on 04/28/2006 3:49:30 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident, Blackwell for governor Ohio '06)
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To: Delphinium; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Kuksool; BigSkyFreeper; MassachusettsGOP; ...

The following excerpt is worth reading:

"The state’s two senators, Republicans Larry Craig and Mike Crapo, have stayed on the sidelines, but Craig’s wife, Suzanne, is the chairman of Norm Semanko’s campaign. Semanko, an attorney for Idaho Water Users, had worked for Craig as an aide in Washington and Idaho.

Still, Craig’s former aides are divided among Semanko, state Controller Keith Johnson and former state Sen. Sheila Sorensen, Republicans say. The political leg up that Semanko expected from his ties to Craig never materialized.

Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho) has endorsed his longtime friend Sorensen, but several Idaho Republicans said Simpson’s bigger goal is to stop Sali. The two men had a strained relationship in the state House.

“They were often on opposing sides of issues,” an Idaho Republican candidate said. “Sali was considered a grandstander. He just had to get on television.”

Sali’s critics pointed to an incident earlier this month in which he insisted on discussing studies linking abortion to breast cancer during a debate on a bill to require doctors to inform women about abortion-related risks. The Idaho House Democratic leader, a survivor of breast cancer, walked out in tears, and her Democratic colleagues followed her.

The Idaho GOP leaders postponed the day’s business. The Speaker, Bruce Newcomb, told The Idaho Statesman, “That idiot is just an absolute idiot. He doesn’t have one ounce of empathy in his whole fricking body. And you can put that in the paper.”

Sali said that he and Newcomb have deep philosophical differences and that Newcomb does not like him because he has outmaneuvered Newcomb on different pieces of legislation.

With Sali attacking Vasquez on immigration and Sorensen on abortion, and Semanko unable to move beyond his agricultural base of support, Johnson could be the best-positioned candidate.

He has won endorsements from Jack Riggs, Idaho’s lieutenant governor; Phil Batt, a former GOP governor; and the D.C.-based Business Industry Political Action Committee (BIPAC). Otter’s top campaign aide is working for Johnson in northern Idaho.

BIPAC endorsed Johnson in an attempt to stop Sali or Vasquez from winning the primary."

I don't blame the establihsment for opposing Sali, who is right on the issues but a flake. But their opposition to Vasquez is based on ignorance.

As for Sheila Sorenson, she seems like a nice lady, but her politics are pure RINO.


3 posted on 04/28/2006 3:54:27 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Bob Taft for Impeachment)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I support Bill Sali.

Bill spent the last 18 years in the Legislature fighting hard for conservatism. He's proven.

If he doesn't win, liberal Sheila Sorensen will.

THAT would be a crying shame.

The rest of the pack needs to retire from the field, pronto.


4 posted on 04/28/2006 3:59:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I don't blame the establihsment for opposing Sali, who is right on the issues but a flake.

The establishment tries to paint every conservative as a flake. I know, I'm from Ohio. Where they do it all the time.

I serious wonder how I can continue to support a party that is so anti my beliefs even if the Dems are worse.

5 posted on 04/28/2006 4:00:37 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident, Blackwell for governor Ohio '06)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I don't blame the establihsment for opposing Sali, who is right on the issues but a flake.

A flake? Because a bunch of RINOs hate him and mischaracterize anything and everything he says and does?

Sorry, but we could use a whole bunch more 'flakes' like Sali. He's as solid as it gets.

But their opposition to Vasquez is based on ignorance.

In many other cases, Robert would have been an awesome Congressional candidate. But this one wasn't it.

6 posted on 04/28/2006 4:03:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: NeoCaveman

I have lots of friends in Idaho conservative politics.

They all support Bill Sali.

He's been THE pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun leader in the House for a very long time.


7 posted on 04/28/2006 4:06:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I would be very happy if either Vasquez or Sali won. They're the two conservatives in the race.


8 posted on 04/28/2006 4:08:02 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Clintonfatigued

In addition to the Club for Growth endorsement, Bill Sali also has the support of Mike Pence and most of the members of the Republican Study Committee.


9 posted on 04/28/2006 4:08:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: EternalVigilance

And he's bucked his party on tax increased. State parties hate that but I love it.


10 posted on 04/28/2006 4:11:12 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident, Blackwell for governor Ohio '06)
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To: NeoCaveman

He's never once voted for a tax increase in eighteen years in office.


11 posted on 04/28/2006 4:11:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Go Vasquez !


12 posted on 04/28/2006 4:43:54 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: EternalVigilance; NeoCaveman; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

Speaking for myself, I support Robert Vasquez. He's a decorated Vietnam veteran, and he's willing to speak out on an issue that the corporate establishment wants to keep silent on. Also, he will belie the myth that all Hispanics are opposed to border security.

Absent a Vasquez victory, I lean towards Keith Johnson. There aren't enough Certified Public Accountants in Congress and he would be a step towards correcting that.


13 posted on 04/28/2006 6:28:13 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Bob Taft for Impeachment)
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To: Clintonfatigued
There aren't enough Certified Public Accountants in Congress and he would be a step towards correcting that.

I know of two right off the top of my head: Mike Conaway of TX and John Campbell of CA. Both talk a pretty good game but are real squishy if you look close.

I have no idea what is so attractive about a CPA. We already got plenty of congresscritters who know how to cook the books.

Putting that aside, though...I know what's going on on the ground in the district...it's going to be either Sorensen or Sali.

Take your pick.

14 posted on 04/28/2006 6:37:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Are you a native of Idaho?

By the way, you have a very clever tagline.


15 posted on 04/28/2006 6:38:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Bob Taft for Impeachment)
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To: NeoCaveman
Some Republicans are concerned that a win by either state Rep. Bill Sali (R-Idaho), whom some Idaho GOP leaders consider a lightning rod,

I like what I've seen of Sali so far. And, if this is any sort of benchmark, one of my very socialist coworkers despises him.

16 posted on 04/28/2006 6:40:03 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Git R Done!)
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To: EternalVigilance

What's attractive about a CPA is that the government budgets and beaurocracies are absurdly complex and their background would help them work through the mazes.

Better a CPA than a lawyer.


17 posted on 04/28/2006 6:40:28 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Bob Taft for Impeachment)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Robert is a great guy, and handles himself well. He's been a hero in the border wars. I'd be pleased to see him in Congress.

But, unfortunately, all he can do now is play the spoiler and hand the seat to the very liberal Sheila Sorensen.

Which he may well do.

Which will be a crying shame. If conservatives can't get their act together enough to hold onto a seat like ID 1, that doesn't bode well.


18 posted on 04/28/2006 6:40:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Better a CPA than a lawyer.

Sure. But the CPA's I know of in Congress haven't really been exactly reformers.

19 posted on 04/28/2006 6:41:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: EternalVigilance; Clintonfatigued
Better a CPA than a lawyer.
Sure. But the CPA's I know of in Congress haven't really been exactly reformers.

What we need are more engineers, they have logical, analytical minds.

20 posted on 04/28/2006 6:43:13 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident, Blackwell for governor Ohio '06)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

I think, IIRC, that there isn't a runoff, so a RINO like Sorensen could emerge with a very small % of the vote. That has been a major disaster in so many races that I've cited previously (Schwarz in MI, Bilbray, et al).


21 posted on 04/28/2006 6:47:12 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Topinka in IL.


22 posted on 04/28/2006 6:54:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Well, there goes my dinner...

But, seriously, we can still stop that RINO twit in the general (which, alas, means that the incumbent gets a 2nd, but short term pain means long-term gain).


23 posted on 04/28/2006 6:58:12 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

ToPinko makes Schwarzenegger and Bloomberg look moderate.

Sorensen may not QUITE be in her league, liberal-wise, but then Idaho ain't Illinois. Thank God.


24 posted on 04/28/2006 7:01:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Topinka in IL.

Schwartz in Michigan in 2004.

We really need a run off system.

25 posted on 04/28/2006 7:03:28 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident, Blackwell for governor Ohio '06)
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To: NeoCaveman
We really need a run off system.

That would create a situation where the true makeup of a district was more accurately reflected, that's for sure.

26 posted on 04/28/2006 7:04:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: NeoCaveman

In states where laws can be voted on in referendums, primary runoffs could be persued through that means.


27 posted on 04/28/2006 7:25:26 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Bob Taft for Impeachment)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I don't know if it is just referenda states.

NC has primary runoffs remember the Vern Robinson race. Also Louisiana has the strange jungle primary. Plus GA has that top 2 general election run off, that is how Coverdell won.


28 posted on 04/28/2006 7:28:22 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident, Blackwell for governor Ohio '06)
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To: NeoCaveman
"Plus GA has that top 2 general election run off, that is how Coverdell won."

GA legislative 'Rats quickly rescinded that after Coverdell upended Sen. Wyche Fowler in '92 (Fowler won the initial general, but with a narrow plurality, and lost the runoff).

29 posted on 04/28/2006 7:31:45 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Yes. Where would the Dems be without the Libertarian spoiler.?

Well, Cantwell would certainly be at home instead of in DC, as would Tim Johnson, and Harry Reid.


30 posted on 04/28/2006 7:34:54 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident, Blackwell for governor Ohio '06)
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To: NeoCaveman

Although I would tend to lean towards what you're saying as common sense, it's also possible that some of those Libertarians might not necessarily vote GOP at all (not to say they would vote 'Rat, but that they wouldn't turn out at all -- and given the dealings I've had with them, I know some just want to turn out to vote just for their candidate and might not come out otherwise), so some of those outcomes might've been the same (minus the Libertarian in the mix).


31 posted on 04/28/2006 8:02:20 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I know some just want to turn out to vote just for their candidate and might not come out otherwise), so some of those outcomes might've been the same (minus the Libertarian in the mix).

I have to agree with you that many people who vote third party do so believing that there is no difference between the 2 major party candidates, but on balance I would suspect that more Libertarians and Constitution Party voters are more inclined to vote GOP than Dem, if they vote at all. Just as Greenies are more inclined to vote Dem than GOP.

So you can not say that all or even most of those votes would have swung, but when you need less than 1,000 it seems likely you might get at least that. Also Coverdell/Fowler race tends to back up my initial opinion, but that is just one isolated incident.

32 posted on 04/28/2006 8:07:47 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident, Blackwell for governor Ohio '06)
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To: NeoCaveman

I was engaged in an argument sometime ago regarding, for example, the Oregon Governor's race of '02, saying that had the Libertarian not been in the race, GOPer Kevin Mannix would be running for his 2nd term now. But as was pointed out, my assumption that those same Libertarians would've even shown up to vote absent a candidate for them and that Ted Kulongoski might still have won, might've proven in error.

The only bonafide contest I'm sure where a 3rd party cost us an office was when the rightist American Independent Party had a candidate in the State Comptroller race in '02 in CA. Mind you, it might not have been particularly important in another state, but this was the Tom McClintock race, and McClintock was the highest vote getter of any Republican in California that cycle, and had the 3rd party candidate withdrawn and endorsed McClintock, which would've resulted in a win, the likelihood as the sole GOP statewide officeholder at that time might've seen him become the "anointed" GOP recall candidate for Governor rather than the current RINO occupant.


33 posted on 04/28/2006 9:06:42 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I don't blame the establihsment for opposing Sali, who is right on the issues but a flake

Sali is no flake. He is the real deal. I know now after getting to know him, why he has gotten all of these endorsements: (to name a few)

National Right to Life

Club for Growth

Concerned Women Political Action Committee

National Right to Work

Government Is Not God PAC

Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund

Sixty Votes Coalition

Republican National Coalition for Life

Conservative Victory Fund

Idaho Chooses Life

The Coalition for Natural Health

Idaho Coalition for Natural Health

National Pro-Life Alliance

American Conservative Union

Named “Most Effective Conservative” in Idaho Idahoans for Tax Reform

Tax Hawk Award Idahoans for Tax Reform

A+ Rating - NRA (ILA) (NRA/PVF Endorsed in 2004)

Friend for Life - Idaho Chooses Life

Ag All-Star - Idaho Food Producers

Guardian of the Elderly and Disabled Idaho Assisted Living Association

Faith and Freedom Award Idaho Christian Coalition

Guardian of Seniors' Rights 60 Plus Association

He is a very good candidate. All those who are spewing garbage about him are doing so because they are afraid. He is no, "go along to get along" like a couple of those listed.

I believe Bill is pulling ahead because people are desperate not to allow that LIBERAL Sorenson to win.

I make calls all day long, and the two that I hear the most support for are Vasquez, and Sali.

I'd be thrilled with both.

I think many of us in Idaho are sick and tired of dealing with RINOS.

Another point I want to make is that Sali has raised alot of out of state money, but he has still raised more from in state than all of them too.
34 posted on 04/29/2006 9:53:38 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: EternalVigilance

A run off system is need for the 2008 primaries. With conservatives dividing their votes, it will easy for RINOs like Rudy, McCain, or Mitt to sneak right to the GOP nomination.


35 posted on 05/02/2006 9:48:40 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: EternalVigilance
A run off system is needed for the 2008 primaries. With conservatives dividing their votes, it will easy for RINOs like Rudy, McCain, or Mitt to sneak right to the GOP nomination.

Plus a run-off system allows people to vote their conscious.
36 posted on 05/02/2006 9:49:28 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool

I like runoffs, but should point out that in this case, the '08 GOP race seems to be full of RINOs.

Which could mean they'll split up all the RINO votes, allowing a conservative to easily capture the nomination.

Maybe...


37 posted on 05/02/2006 10:06:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Delphinium

Bill Sali is the real deal BUMP!

God bless you for your work on his behalf.


38 posted on 05/02/2006 10:07:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Where are you? Hopefully here in Idaho.


39 posted on 05/02/2006 1:00:42 PM PDT by Delphinium
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