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Maine Senate (2008): Allen Ramps Up
The Hotline ^ | December 18, 2006 | Shira Toeplitz

Posted on 12/19/2006 10:31:20 PM PST by Clintonfatigued

Rep. Tom Allen (D-01) '04 manager Michael Cuzzi confirmed they have brought on Heather Quinn as finance dir. should Allen decide to run for SEN. Last cycle, Quinn managed Rep. Mike Michaud (D-02)'s campaign. Some ME Dem sources say this is Allen's attempt to break into ME-02. Cuzzi said he will also play a significant role in Allen's pending campaign.

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TOPICS: Maine; Campaign News; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: 2008

1 posted on 12/19/2006 10:31:21 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Kuksool; MassachusettsGOP; AntiGuv; RobFromGa; dangus; ...

New England Democrats smell Republican blood in the water, and Tom Allen is no exception. Some say this will be like the Sheldon Whitehouse/Lincoln Chafee race this year, but Maine is not Rhode Island.


2 posted on 12/19/2006 10:33:57 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Corporatism is not conservatism)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I thought Maine already had two Democratic senators.


3 posted on 12/19/2006 10:38:47 PM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Guess Allen is getting antsy in the House. Our best case scenario would be for Allen and Michaud to both jump into the race and smash each other to bits. Might pick up the Michaud seat in that case. ;-)


4 posted on 12/19/2006 10:53:28 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued

Michaud is pro-life, and knows he'd be at a huge disadvantage in the Dem statewide primary (Portland is very socially liberal); if anything, Rhode Island is more likely to elect a pro-lifer than Maine is. I don't think Michaud will jump in.

Allen will be a formidable opponent, and if '08 is a repeat of '06, the RINO Collins will lose. But I think the tide will turn before '08 comes around and that Collins will be reelected, albeit not as comfortably as against Pingree in '02.

BTW, as crappy as Collins's voting record is, she's Vernon Robinson compared to Lincoln Chafee. I think conservatives should hold our noses and support Collins's reelection.


5 posted on 12/20/2006 6:15:55 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

With Rudy or Mormon Mitt on the top of the ticket, I think Collins will be insulated from any Blue Thunderstorm. Collin sshould be thankful that she's running in 2008, not 2006.


6 posted on 12/20/2006 7:07:36 AM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj
Question for you guys.

If the big 3 (McCain, Mitt, & Rudy) can provide coattails to produce GOP gains in Congress or at least minimize losses, should we endorse any of them should they win the nomination?
7 posted on 12/20/2006 7:16:09 AM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: Kuksool; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj

I seriously doubt that having a liberal Republican as our presidential nominee will have a "coattail effect" on congressional races. If anything, it will cause some conservatives to stay at home, which will result in fewer votes for congressional Republicans. A liberal Republican as our presidential nominee will also cause more RINOs to go and vote, and in most cases such RINOs will vote for the Democrat congressional candidate rather than for a conservative Republican.

BTW, of the "big three," only Giuliani is clearly a liberal RINO. Romney used to take liberal positions on which he has backed away of late, so we don't know if he'll attract RINO voters and drive away conservatives. As for McCain, he's a "conservative RINO," someone who appears to be hell-bent on hurting the GOP in order to promote himself yet who takes conservative positions on nearly all issues.


8 posted on 12/20/2006 8:53:05 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Rudy might produce a coattail effect in some New England races. It's the South and the rural Midwest where he could cause some to not vote.


9 posted on 12/20/2006 9:07:19 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Corporatism is not conservatism)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Kuksool; fieldmarshaldj

"Rudy might produce a coattail effect in some New England races."



Maybe, maybe not. I remember how CT Republicans were extatic that Lamont won the Dem nomination and that Lieberman woulkd run as an Independent, since it would "bring out Independents that will vote for Republican House candidates" and "Democrat House candidates will have the ultraliberal Lamont weighing them down." What happened? Lieberman attracted the voters one would have expected him to attract---liberals---and Lamont attracted the moonbats, and these voters that were mobilized by Lieberman and Lamont voted for the Democrat House candidates and caused two of our three Representatives to lose. All along I had said that our best bet was for Lieberman to win the Dem nomination so that the moonbats would stay home in November, and I think I was right.

If a liberal Republican wins the presidential nomination, every New England conservatives that stays home in November (because he or she would have no reason to go out and vote) is one less vote for the GOP congressional candidates. Will the fact that Rudy can get some New England liberals to vote for him mean that they will also vote for GOP congressional candidates? I wouldn't bet on it.


10 posted on 12/20/2006 9:26:55 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: My GOP; areafiftyone

Ping!

Okay you Rudy Lovers, care to share your comments in regards to post 8. I want to examine a potential Rudy candidacy from all angles.


11 posted on 12/20/2006 9:35:53 AM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; Kuksool

Using the Lamont example, what might benefit us, or solely for the Presidential nominee, is if Bloomberg jumps in as a Liberal Independent with Hillary as the 'Rat nominee. But with 2 liberals, that would aid the 'Rats retaining Congress even as we'd win the WH.


12 posted on 12/20/2006 5:18:35 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I think having Perot on the ballot in 1996 may have helped the GOP keep Congress. Much of the 1996 Perot support gravitated toward Bush in 2000 and 2004. The '96 Perot voters left us in 2006.

As for Bloomberg as a 3rd party candidate, he would hurt Rudy, but help a dark horse like Duncan Hunter or Sam Brownback. Bloomberg could challenge Ah-nuld as the King RINO.


13 posted on 12/20/2006 7:46:13 PM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I think having Perot on the ballot in 1996 may have helped the GOP keep Congress. Much of the 1996 Perot support gravitated toward Bush in 2000 and 2004. The '96 Perot voters left us in 2006.

As for Bloomberg as a 3rd party candidate, he would hurt Rudy, but help a dark horse like Duncan Hunter or Sam Brownback. Bloomberg could challenge Ah-nuld as the King RINO.


14 posted on 12/20/2006 7:46:21 PM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Actually Rudy is not a liberal. I think the best thing to call him is an Urban Conservative. He cut taxes and government in NYC. He was a law and order man. He is not pro gay marriage as some say. His immigration stance is for border control. As Mayor he was in favor of "regularizing" illegals. But, then NYC had such a heavy immigration population he could hardly do anything else(I hope he grows on that one). His anti illegal stance is closer to our freeper thinking than W's or McCain. He is in favor of abortion but I will bet you that most of the GOP congressmen are as well. only Rudy admits it. I have no doubt Rudy would seriously help in the North east s far as bringing in GOP congressmen and in other purple and blue areas as well. If Conservatives do not support him they are just hurting themselves. Social Conservatives like yourself who do gripe are probably putting yourself in a strong position should he come in to office. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Rudy has the moderates locked up and he will have to keep social Conservatives like your self happy. This will be opposite to the past where Republican Presidents lock up the Conservatives and then ignore them to placate the moderates or independents.


15 posted on 12/31/2006 7:48:14 PM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: bilhosty

I think you are a bit off here. Rudy is probably the only GOP candidate who would lose to a Clinton or Obama. Outside of NY, his time has past. The GOP needs someone of higher moral fiber and conviction. Gingrich has potential, but might have too much baggage in the past. Romney cannot run from his liberal past. McCain, as much as the media loves him (and Rudy), could never win a GOP primary. I think Brownback has to be considered the top option. He is socially conservative, but not an abrasive conservative. Once he gets some exposure, people will see this is a guy who is very easy to like. Rudy, particularly being a New Yorker, would not sell in the Red States.


16 posted on 01/02/2007 6:54:22 AM PST by GOP Farmer
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To: GOP Farmer
"Rudy, particularly being a New Yorker, would not sell in the Red States."

Thank you for your thoughtful reply! I think Rudy would sell in the red states. I admit his marital past is a problem. But, Rudy is a genuine urban conservative outside of the "social Issues". I think Rudy is tough and smart and very good at the game of statecraft,and is respected for it. I think everyone admires the way he took an ungovernable city and ran it well. I think a New yorker cannot win if he runs as a Dem. But, I think he can run as a GOP'er. It was just like Carter running as a Dem genuinely held Dem votes. But, he nearly lost NYC. I think there would be some fall off but he would be a very good alternative to a Lib-Dem.
I noticed you mentioned Newt. Newt is a good person who can think out of the box and present a big picture view of things. I agree with you that this man has glaring faults to go with his towering strengths. The only one like him in the vision department is Rudy. I think America craves transformative leadership who is basically conservative who can think out of the box. I know I do. I agree with you Sam Brownback is a good man but think his social side will scare many persons outside of the Small town and Southern base. Although his phlantrophy will ease it somewhat. I think we need to repair the damage done to our suburban and Coastal strengths. I just do not see a strong Social Conservative like Brownback doing it. I know some polls have already been taken showing that Rudy would lose some from Bush's total in the "red states". But, not enough to lose them. He more than made up for it by gaining in the swing states and Dem states. Imagine a Republican winning New Jersey, New York and Connecticut(just like Reagan did).
17 posted on 01/02/2007 7:30:31 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj
Tom Allen is like the biggest nobody ever. He shows up, votes the part line, and .... nothing.

Tom Andrews is more influential than that empty suit.

18 posted on 02/25/2007 2:03:38 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: JohnnyZ; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued

Both Allen and Andrews are moonbats (although Andrews probably a smidge more). Collins has seemed a weak candidate (she was one of our few GOP candidates to lose in 1994 when she ran for Governor, coming in 3rd place), and Allen would probably be the most formidable candidate she could face (solely based on demographics, although Maine isn't as rodent as some might think). Allen would have to make the argument that the state would be better served having a rodent representing it in the Senate. Collins would also best remember that running far to the left will not shore up her position, either, as we can see what that did for Chafee and DeWine.


19 posted on 02/25/2007 2:42:35 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Collins has seemed a weak candidate (she was one of our few GOP candidates to lose in 1994 when she ran for Governor, coming in 3rd place),

I wouldn't hold that run against her in terms of elective success. It just wasn't happening that year, no face time or money, though she made a good impression on the electorate. We elected a conservative reformer (or, alternatively, ex-Democrat Angus King) instead.

Ever since she got to run against Joe Brennan she's been pretty golden. Sometimes all you need is that one big break.

20 posted on 02/26/2007 7:31:24 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: JohnnyZ; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued

Angus King, a Conservative reformer ? King just struck me as nothing but a liberal rodent. I don't think Maine has had a halfway decent Governor since Jim Longley, Sr. in the late '70s.


21 posted on 02/26/2007 7:48:03 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well he was, but he was elected as a conservative reformer, and played that schtick on the campaign trail and in public until he was out of office. Then he was like, yeah, I'm pretty much just another Democrat.


22 posted on 02/26/2007 8:05:20 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I say never bet against a Maoist RAT in any New England state.
23 posted on 03/02/2007 2:52:34 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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