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Gilchrest votes make him a target
The Washington Times ^ | May 22, 2007 | Tom LoBianco

Posted on 05/23/2007 7:15:43 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

House Republican Wayne T. Gilchrest's votes to stop funding the war in Iraq has challengers saying the long-term congressman may have run his course.

Two Democrats -- Eastern Shore lawyers Frank M. Kratovil Jr. and Christopher R. Robinson -- announced they will run for Mr. Gilchrest's seat, and state Sen. Andrew P. Harris, a Baltimore County Republican, is expected to announce that he is running.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Maryland; Campaign News; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: 2008; rino

1 posted on 05/23/2007 7:15:47 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

I am embarrassed to say that this RINO is my representative.


2 posted on 05/23/2007 7:17:36 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Kuksool; LdSentinal; MinorityRepublican; votelife; SandRat; ...

I wish Senator Harris well. Supporting the troops is paramount.


3 posted on 05/23/2007 7:19:56 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Bigg Red

I would appreciate it if you would keep FR up on this race when you can.


4 posted on 05/23/2007 7:20:44 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; Bigg Red; JohnnyZ; Kuksool; Clemenza
"state Sen. Andrew P. Harris, a Baltimore County Republican, is expected to announce that he is running."

Baltimore County ? But that's not even in the 1st, that's the Ruppersburger & Sarbanes, Jr's seats. How would he be able to make the case to dump Gilchrest not being from the Eastern Shore ?

5 posted on 05/23/2007 7:35:07 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I think he’s from the eastern fringe of Baltimore County. It’s a disadvantage, but not necessarily a fatal one.


6 posted on 05/23/2007 7:51:11 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued

From the looks of it, most of Harris’ 7th District Senate seat is in the 1st Congressional District. That at least is good news for him. It should be noted that should Harris get through to the General Election, by nailing down the more liberal Baltimore suburbs he puts himself in good shape to hold the district from a RAT interception. I dont see the Eastern Shore voting Democrat anytime soon.


7 posted on 05/23/2007 8:30:22 PM PDT by MassachusettsGOP (May the West and Republicans Always Win...)
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To: MassachusettsGOP; Clintonfatigued; JohnnyZ; Kuksool; AuH2ORepublican; Clemenza

You give me the opportunity to remember an awful event that happened in MD 34 years ago today (May 24, 1973), which I’ll mention in a bit...

The 1st will vote rodent under unusual circumstances. It was supposed to be a fairly solid GOP seat going back many decades. From ‘63 until ‘71 it sent Rogers Morton, whose brother, Thruston, was serving as the Senator from Kentucky at the time (Morton was then tapped by Nixon to become Interior Secretary).

In the special election in ‘71, it sent a Republican named Bill Mills. The story regarding Mills was a very sad one. A thoughtful, friendly, and sensitive man, he couldn’t have picked a worse time to serve in Congress. In the hyperpartisan atmosphere during the Watergate affair, it came out that Mills’ campaign had forgotten to report a loan made on behalf of Nixon’s CREEP fund via Morton, at worst, it was nothing more than an accidental oversight, and not a deliberate error.

However, to Mills, he considered his character and reputation to be the most important things he ever had, and even the slightest hint of impropriety, accidental or no, was an utterly unforgiveable sin. 34 years ago today, which was also a Thursday, Mills returned to his Eastern Shore home where he committed suicide.

An almost completely forgotten event now, it totally shocked Congress, most of whom couldn’t believe any member would kill themself over a minor matter. Mills, at only 48, would’ve likely settled in to a long career representing the Eastern Shore (probably would’ve remained until the ‘90s), but was not to be.

In the special election to succeed Mills that August, a young State Senator named Bob Bauman won by only a 51-49% margin over his Dem opponent, and was considered a victory by the administration. Bauman looked to be a real star, an outspoken Conservative who enjoyed being a gigantic pain in the ass to the Democrat leadership, but harbored a deep, dark secret. Eventually, just weeks before the 1980 elections, he was arrested for soliciting a 16-year old boy. He claimed he was an alcoholic, which had driven him to do that, but it turned out, at worst, he was only a moderate drinker (and most certainly not an alkie). What should’ve been a landslide victory for him turned into a narrow 52-48% loss, and the surprise winner was Roy Dyson, the first Dem elected to the seat since 1960.

Dyson should’ve been a one-term wonder, but when Bauman tried to seek a rematch in ‘82, things got so ugly on the GOP side that the eventual nominee was unable to make any headway. Dyson faced another lackluster opponent in ‘84 and ‘86, but only kept getting higher and higher percentages of the vote...

Now, then how did Gilchrest manage to knock off the popular Dyson ? Scandal again. Gilchrest was the nominee in 1988, and was considered to be a 3rd tier candidate sacrificial lamb, described as a “guidance counselor and summer-season house painter.” While the problem wasn’t with Dyson himself, the scandal that erupted centered on his top aide, a man with similar appetites and proclivities as ex-Congressman Bauman. The aide would insist on hiring young, naive men from small-town America, where they would, upon gaining employment, be forbidden from dating, allowed only to socialize with him, and at a special retreat, had one of the men do a strip-tease. Lurid and creepy stuff.

In any event, Dyson’s aide committed suicide himself as soon as the allegations came to light, and because Dyson had claimed he didn’t know what was going on (and a side-scandal, also linked to the same aide, had to do with paychecks going to his private company). The GOP badly wanted Gilchrest to stand aside for a name candidate, because Dyson should’ve been toast. Despite being outspent 6-to-1, Gilchrest held Dyson to a 50-50% victory (by only 1,540 votes).

When the next election came up in ‘90, Gilchrest was running again (but was described by Barone and local Republicans as a poor and “desultory” campaigner, and he scarcely raised enough $$ to be competitive). Dyson himself was almost defeated in the Dem primary that year. As if Dyson hadn’t enough problems stemming from his dead aide, it came out during the campaign that year that he had been a conscientious objector during Vietnam (and Dyson had always considered himself a pro-defense hawk). The fact that Gilchrest received a Purple Heart while serving in the Marines in Vietnam only helped enhance his image. Despite, again, being outspent (3-to-1, this time), Gilchrest won in a landslide of 57-43%.

Ironically, Dyson’s setback didn’t keep him out of politics permanently, as he went on to win a State Senate seat at the next legislative elections in 1994, and remains there today.

Gilchrest himself has only had one close call since his initial election, and that was in ‘92, when redistricting threw him in with ‘Rat Congressman Tom McMillen. McMillen massively outspent the always low-spending Gilchrest (by $1.6 million to $400k, 4 to 1), but because Gilchrest represented the bulk of the district and some nasty remarks by then-Gov. Bill Schaefer calling the E.S. a “$hithouse”, and Gilchrest prevailed by a narrow 52-48% margin.

Well, there’s the summation of the district to date. Hope I didn’t bore you guys to death. ;-)


8 posted on 05/23/2007 9:56:49 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That was an interesting walk down District One.

Sorry to hear about Mr. Mills. I take it that you may have known him?

I moved from NJ to Severna Park in 1988 - to be near my soon to be wife - I remember the campaign between McMillen and Gilchrest, specifically because I recalled McMillen was a basketball player I think he also served Jimmy Carter’s campaign (Physical Fitness). I was not politically in those days. I was all over the political map in terms of my ideas.

At the time, I worked as a junior graphic designer and photographer for a women’s retail called Annapolis Clothing Co. You’ll remnember the recession dragging businesses down and eventually closing many in AA county during 1990? I worked in Parole Plaza and watched as the stores closed up one by one. That company closed up shop and I had to get a handful of very humbling jobs including that of an all-around gopher at Sir Speedy Printers in Annapolis.

Gilchrest ran a bunch of his campaign material through that shop (the local Perot campaign did, too. One of my illustrious jobs was to hand photocopy every draft Perot list before anyone knew who the guy was. What a task!)

Anyway, getting back to Gilchrest, it seemed to me that he had a very common touch, and I mean this in a good way. He listened to constituents and he massaged their concerns, although “massage” may not be the right term, unlike many pols people came away with the feeling that he genuinely cared. The fact that he was not a lifetime politician only helped. It seemed to me that he knew how to build coalitions from the ground up and bar-b-ques and townhall type events. This is kind of old fashioned, but I think it’s a way that appeals to regular folks. It seemed to me to do the trick.

I haven’t lived in district one in 12 years. My wife and I live in Frederick. At one time I was proud to have voted for Mr. Gilchrest. Now, I actively plan to work against him.

Let me get my tin foil hat on, I think that folks like John McCain and Lindsay Grahm and Wayne Gilchest are like deep sleeper cells in the Republican party. I don’t think they are conservative at all and, in fact, I believe that they work toward undermining the party. The GOP needs to clean these skunks out.

Seriously, we could do worse than to have a moderate Democrat in that region rather than Wayne, but I hope Andrew Harris comes through.


9 posted on 05/24/2007 2:40:20 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: incredulous joe

No, I’m afraid I didn’t know Congressman Mills. I was born a year after his death. I own a copy of the Congressional memorial addresses for him, which gave me a better insight on the man and hinted at some of the reasons for the tragedy that happened this very day 34 years ago.

Although I’ve been to Maryland several times, I’ve never lived there, I’m a lifelong resident of Nashville (although being Southern born, my parents as Northerners helped give me an accent that most think I’m a native Marylander — too Northern to be Southern, but too Southern to be Northern !).

That’s an interesting theory about a “sleeper cell”, but is somewhat close to mine, in that I think there are active Republicans trying to undermine the party or the Conservative cause (basically your RINOs), some in a minor way, others in a major way. Some of the worst examples are many Governors, such as Weld in MA, Kean & Whitman in NJ, etc.

It’s rather remarkable what we as a party have tolerated from these individuals, which would see, if they were Democrats trying to undermine the liberal cause from within, rousted and run out of the party on a rail. Part of the reason stems from our generally being a minority party and having to take all the proverbial “comers”, so to speak. Unfortunately, this disease of RINOism has become an epidemic and in the short span of only 2 decades, even as we became a majority party nationwide, we ceased as a party becoming viable or competitive in several states, in the northeast, parts of the midwest, and the west coast.

As recently as 1988, we were competitive in every single state in the nation at the Presidential level (excluding DC). Today, we are competitive in only around 40 (with CA, CT, IL, MD, MA, NJ, NY, RI, VT, all essentially now being out of reach), and the number is dropping — Dubya carried just 31 states in ‘04, 1 more than he carried in ‘00 (which would’ve been 2 if he hadn’t dropped NH). In 1988, his father carried 40 (with only IA & WV, which Sr. failed to carry, going to Dubya in ‘04). More than a few of those states were ruined because of those RINO Governors and leaders.

You’ve pointed out that Gilchrest has become a part of the problem, part of it comes from the arrogance of incumbency (after Democrat Alan Goldsborough in the ‘20s and ‘30s, Gilcrest is the 2nd longest serving member from the 1st in MD history). Of course, compared to Mike Castle in the neighboring DE district, Gilchrest looks like Jesse Helms (Castle has been moving rapidly towards Jim Jeffords territory, and has crossed into nearly ultraliberal territory — and he, too, was one of those RINO Governors that helped put his state out of reach of GOP Presidential candidates).

Gilchrest may have the “hero” mantra from Vietnam, but no person should be given a free pass for their entire political career, especially when they go wrong. We’ve got one guy on FR who defends the erratic RINO SC Sen. Lindsay Graham based on his performance as a House manager during the Clinton impeachment, nevermind his apostasies since succeeding Sen. Thurmond. Remember that even the great Barry Goldwater, consumed by bitter jealousies of Reagan, and onset of senility, jumped the proverbial shark before his last Senate term, and should’ve been shown the door before he embarrassed himself and the GOP.


10 posted on 05/24/2007 4:19:40 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

A small sliver of Baltimore and Anne Arundel couties are in the 1st.


11 posted on 05/24/2007 6:10:01 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson in 2008: It can be morning in America, again.)
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To: MassachusettsGOP; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj

“From the looks of it, most of Harris’ 7th District Senate seat is in the 1st Congressional District. That at least is good news for him. It should be noted that should Harris get through to the General Election, by nailing down the more liberal Baltimore suburbs he puts himself in good shape to hold the district from a RAT interception. I dont see the Eastern Shore voting Democrat anytime soon.”


The portions of Baltco and Ann Arundel in the MD-01 (together with the portions of Baltco in Bartlett’s CD) are the most conservative parts of those counties-—certainly more Republican than the Eastern Shore as a whole. Remember, those were the precincts that Cardin, Ruppersberger and Hoyer didn’t want in their congressional districts.

The MD-01 is hyper Republican, and the only way I can see us losing it is if the general election becomes a geographic battle (with an Eastern Shore Democrat running against a Baltco Republican)instead of an ideological battle. But even if we place the odds of losing the CD in the general at close to 0, it may still be difficult for a Baltco Republican to defeat Gilchrest in the primary because Eastern Shore conservatives may be fooled into voting for “one of them” (meaning someone from the Eastern Shore) instead of their ideological twin from Baltco. I’d much rather have an Eastern Shore conservative run against Gilchrest in the primary.


12 posted on 05/24/2007 7:33:32 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I live in the 1st and I was under the impression that Gilchrest was not a true Eastern Shore native. I thought he was from Pennslyvania or somewheres up North. This was in the Annapolis Capital today.

Republican eyeing primary challenge of Gilchrest


ANNAPOLIS, Md. (AP) - Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland’s longest-serving Republican congressman, could see a primary challenge next year from a state lawmaker who calls himself more of a “mainstream Republican.”
Sen. Andrew Harris, R-Baltimore County, announced Thursday that he was likely to mount a primary challenge to the 17-year incumbent.

Gilchrest has ruffled some Republican feathers for his opposition to the war in Iraq, Harris said. Earlier this year, Gilchrest was one of only two Republicans in Congress to vote for troops to return home from Iraq starting this fall.

Gilchrest has also opposed fellow Republicans on environmental matters. Harris said Thursday that many GOP members would be happier with a more conservative representative, even though the district is dominated by the Eastern Shore counties, and he is not from the Eastern Shore.

“I am actually more in step with the district than their incumbent,” said Harris, who was elected to the Senate in 1998.

Because state senators serve four-year terms, Harris will not have to leave his Senate seat to challenge Gilchrest. Maryland’s primary next year will be Feb. 12, the same day voters choose presidential candidates.

Gilchrest has faced a primary challenge every term but one since taking office, said Gilchrest chief of staff Tony Caliguiri.

Of Harris, Caliguiri said, “Anyone’s entitled to run for office, but we don’t believe his brand of extremist politics will appeal to Maryland voters.”

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On the Net:

Wayne Gilchrest: http://gilchrest.house.gov

Andrew Harris: http://www.andyharris08.com


13 posted on 05/24/2007 12:50:23 PM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Castle is a founding members of the Main Street Garbage, but he’s the only R who can win in Delaware, so we have to put up with him.


14 posted on 05/24/2007 12:53:02 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj

“The MD-01 is hyper Republican, and the only way I can see us losing it is if the general election becomes a geographic battle (with an Eastern Shore Democrat running against a Baltco Republican)instead of an ideological battle.”

Good point. Also, if Harris were to lose, he would have to be a poor candidate. And he has won elections before, so if he had any fatal flaws, they would have shown up in previous elections.

I can live with Gilchrest occasionally breaking the party line, but his vote on the Peacenik resulotion cannot be ignored. Andrew Harris deserves a chance.


15 posted on 05/24/2007 3:02:09 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued
"I’d much rather have an Eastern Shore conservative run against Gilchrest in the primary."

My thoughts exactly.

16 posted on 05/24/2007 5:34:09 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: CollegeRepublican
"I live in the 1st and I was under the impression that Gilchrest was not a true Eastern Shore native."

He's from Rahway, New Jersey.

17 posted on 05/24/2007 5:35:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: darkangel82

Problem is, his movement to the left has seriously damaged the Republican party in the state, and it has shriveled badly on his watch (with them only tenuously holding onto the House). He should be dumped.


18 posted on 05/24/2007 5:40:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

He should be, but that would mean a Democrat, since there’s no other Republican who can challenge him in a state that small.


19 posted on 05/24/2007 5:41:28 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: darkangel82

With his declining percentages of the vote, he’s already paving the way for a rodent to take the seat. His age is becoming a factor, too, as he’ll be pushing 70 in the next election. And they need to aggressively challenge Biden next year, too (his percentages also have been declining). 36 years is long enough (he should’ve been taken out by Pete DuPont in 1984, the most premier opportunity).


20 posted on 05/24/2007 5:50:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; CollegeRepublican; AuH2ORepublican

DJ, bad news on this front. Democrats have a strong candidate in Queen Anne County State’s Attorney Frank Kratovil, who announced an “exploritary committee.” You can bet that if Harris wins the primary, Fratovil will run as an Eastern Shore native son against a Baltimore outsider. You know what that could mean.

Looks like your instincts were right.


21 posted on 05/24/2007 7:08:55 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
There is quite a mix of ideas within the GOP, and if this is something which has occurred within the last 2 decades I would guess that a significant part of that is the fact that the left has grown increasingly intolerant. There is something to be said for the old line about how there are “moderate” Republicans, but there are no “moderate” Liberals. And, of course, you’ve seen the way that folks like Bob Casey, Sr, Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller have been treated once they began to think “outside the box” of liberalism. For all the talk of “open mindedness” and “free thinking” liberals are extremely dogmatic. I couldn’t abide by that, even if I agreed with their ideas.

If you know something about Maryland politics you may know about our former Democratic Governor William Donald Schaffer. He’s been treated pretty roughly by the Democratic machine because he didn’t play by their rule book. Essentially, he refused to give policy statements on abortion and homosexuality, while running for Comptroller. That was not well received. To be sure, he’s done a few other stupid things to aggravate this, but he’s a “sinner”.

On the whole, while this phenomena of RINOs does have a tendency to water things down for Republicans and conservatives, being a group which is tolerant and open to ideas is not necessarily the worst thing in the world. Though it’s kind of funny how the opposite of that stereotype is played in the media.

I’ll go a step farther than your “minority party” statement and begrudgingly concede that we are no longer what I would consider to be a conservative nation. I really have struggled with this classification, but I think it bears itself out. Especially, when one uses the “divining rod” of criteria which I have chosen; more people “take” from our nation than “give” back to it.

I think competition within states is a problem, California, in particular. Some of the spread of liberalism, I believe, is actually one of shifting populations. You mention VT, while I would include NH and ME in the northeast and NV, AZ and NM in the southwest. In these locations I believe liberals from LA and NY are essentially fed up with the the fiscal confines of liberalism, they escape to these outlying areas, bringing all their liberal baggage with them and before you know it you’ve captured the state as a potential electoral victory. Ironically, planting the seeds of the very problem that they have sought to escape.

That “hero card” doesn’t play with me and really it never has. I’ll credit Gilchrest, that while he is known to be a veteran, I don’t think that he really trumpets this aspect of his life,...at least for gratuitous political gain.

It’s funny that you mention Graham’s performance as the house manager, something I applauded. In retrospect, I’m thinking this was simply part of a play that Graham made toward the ultimate objective of obtaining power. We are talking about a strategy that he employed nearly 10 years ago to put himself in the catbird seat today. Sound like a “sleeper cell” to you?

Anyway, my beef with folks like Graham is that while I may tolerate the likes of - geez, can’t even remember the dude from RI anymore and don’t have the will to google him - truly red states shouldn’t have to look to people like Lindsay Graham for leadership. The GOP should do exactly what the Democrats have done; develop a list of RINOs in red space and take them out!

It’s been interesting ruminating with you. I am actually a conservative independent. While I am pro-life and pro-family I was shocked to take one of those online ideological tests only to find that I leaned libertarian. Needless to say, I was horrified and have been on the strictest diet of raw red meat ever since.

Great pics of Nashville on yer profile. It’s a cool place, but I haven’t really been there in many a year. My bro lives in Memphis and seems to really enjoy Tennessee. I need to get out and visit him and his tribe. We are both Senator Fred guys. Now, Thompson only needs to declare!

I have some good friends, musicians, who recently moved down to Nashville. There names are Judd and Maggie. They are great songwriters and really good kids to boot.Check them out if they are working on their chops in some of the local establishments.

www.myspace.com/juddandmaggie

Better post this puppy before my CPU coughs and sputters and turns all my work into a blinking cursor. Prayers for Congressman Mills and his family on this day. May he rest in peace.

22 posted on 05/25/2007 12:32:58 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("I have a tiki torch and I know how to use it!")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

He had been living on the eastern shore for some time before he was elected from what I gather. Regardless, he’s a beltway insider anymore.


23 posted on 05/25/2007 12:35:44 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("I have a tiki torch and I know how to use it!")
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To: incredulous joe
"There is quite a mix of ideas within the GOP, and if this is something which has occurred within the last 2 decades I would guess that a significant part of that is the fact that the left has grown increasingly intolerant."

I think the left has gone off the scale for intolerance. Tolerate and proliferate the intolerable, and be intolerant of the accepted traditional norms. We can judge you, but don't you DARE judge us ! There's a whole psychology to this diseased, hypocritical mindset. One of the great faults of the right-of-center has been allowing it to proliferate as it has, and there hasn't been an aggressive-enough movement to weed it out at the roots, and that's namely our educational facilities. These Stalinist sausage factories turn out either leftist parrots ready to proliferate evil (the stupid little moron, Rachel Corrie, from Washington state that got bulldozed defending terrorists), or just dumbed-down twits who don't care about much of anything, useful idiots in their own right. The left got its claws into public ed and universities en masse 80 years ago, and now control it almost completely. Through it, they've managed to take normal children and turn them into Hillary Clintons (she herself having been raised in a GOP household, didn't turn into a radical until after she was in college). I would dare say millions have fallen victim and spread this cancer, not only in this country, but so many foreign countries as well. The infamous Vietnamese Communist Ho Chi Minh was educated at a U.S. university. Not many people even realize this. The next generation of Islamic terrorists is being educated in our "we hate America and everything it stands for" public schools and universities as we speak. Absolutely poop-in-your-jockeys terrifying.

"There is something to be said for the old line about how there are “moderate” Republicans, but there are no “moderate” Liberals."

Very few, and those that veer too far away from the party line are either yanked back, threatened, or run out of office.

"And, of course, you’ve seen the way that folks like Bob Casey, Sr, Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller have been treated once they began to think “outside the box” of liberalism. For all the talk of “open mindedness” and “free thinking” liberals are extremely dogmatic. I couldn’t abide by that, even if I agreed with their ideas."

Lieberman was a 100% down-the-line leftist, except for WoT. Because that interfered with the "hate Bush/hate America" line, he had to be shown the door. The rodent primary voters did. But Lieberman still aligns himself with that party, much like a battered spouse who can't leave her husband. It's worse than breaking a narcotics addiction. I look at a party like this, at least with respect to the GOP... I will remain a member as long as they proliferate Conservative causes and ideas. As soon as they demonstrate no interest in that, and copying the left/rodents, I no longer have any need for that party. It ceases to have a reason to exist. In many N.E. states, the party is moribund for that very reason that they sought to copy the left, and when the voters were presented with the choices of "authentic left" and "copy of left", they chose "authentic." It's why Ratsachusetts has an 89% Democrat legislature (well out of whack of actual party registration), the 11% GOP superminority mostly consists of go along to get along leftist RINOs, worse than useless.

"If you know something about Maryland politics you may know about our former Democratic Governor William Donald Schaffer. He’s been treated pretty roughly by the Democratic machine because he didn’t play by their rule book. Essentially, he refused to give policy statements on abortion and homosexuality, while running for Comptroller. That was not well received. To be sure, he’s done a few other stupid things to aggravate this, but he’s a “sinner”."

Yeah, Schaefer was a hoot (but they finally ran him out of office in last year's primary). Definitely un-PC, I remember he endorsed Bush, Sr. for the Presidency, and was a huge pain in the ass to his fraudulency, Parris Spendening. Now it's rubber stamps all over the place with the embarrassment from Bawlamer sitting down in Annapolis. Ehrlich may not have been a gem, but compared to O'Malley, he was solid gold.

"On the whole, while this phenomena of RINOs does have a tendency to water things down for Republicans and conservatives, being a group which is tolerant and open to ideas is not necessarily the worst thing in the world. Though it’s kind of funny how the opposite of that stereotype is played in the media."

No, nothing wrong with new ideas at all, if they're good ones and ones that are innovative. It's why the left is so intolerant, because they are hopelessly statist, and proliferate statism wherever they go. What's so damn frustrating, too, is that the ideological labels don't really fit. Conservatives should really be called "Liberals" (and in Australia, they are -- there is no "Conservative" party -- the left is consigned to the "Labour" party), perhaps one day we'll take the label back and restore it to respectability again.

"I’ll go a step farther than your “minority party” statement and begrudgingly concede that we are no longer what I would consider to be a conservative nation. I really have struggled with this classification, but I think it bears itself out. Especially, when one uses the “divining rod” of criteria which I have chosen; more people “take” from our nation than “give” back to it."

I think we're more teetering. I think if you take individual issues, we still lean Conservative. But if we ever plunge headlong into bonafide Jimmy Carteresque leftism, this nation is finished. I can see that we may be headed for another Civil War in this country, between ones that wish to keep this nation as the Founding Fathers intended, and those that wish to denounce it as an evil, opening it up to the hordes so that it can be utterly consumed and devoured. I think we inch closer to it every day, and crap like this shamnesty stuff are the opening salvos.

"I think competition within states is a problem, California, in particular. Some of the spread of liberalism, I believe, is actually one of shifting populations. You mention VT, while I would include NH and ME in the northeast and NV, AZ and NM in the southwest. In these locations I believe liberals from LA and NY are essentially fed up with the the fiscal confines of liberalism, they escape to these outlying areas, bringing all their liberal baggage with them and before you know it you’ve captured the state as a potential electoral victory. Ironically, planting the seeds of the very problem that they have sought to escape."

Simply put, it's $hitting in their nest until it's up to their ears, packing it up, moving to areas where there's no $hit, and rather than adapting to the area and realizing WHAT IT TOOK to keep it pleasant and clean, they precede to $hit all over it as with before. Soon you have mountains of $hit everywhere. Frightening about California, and specifically the Bay Area, it once used to be some of the most Republican areas of the nation. 70 years ago, it was represented in Congress by a Conservative Jewish Republican lady named Florence Kahn, and had anti-Communist Conservative Italian-American Republican Mayors like Angelo Rossi, who never feared taking on the union thugs. These people were heroes who kept the city one of the most family-friendly and morally clean and desireable ones to live in the nation. Even the East Bay, Oakland and Berkeley, were Republican bastions clear up until the late '50s. Then the Marxist left took over. The last Republican Congressman from the East Bay, who was defeated in '58, packed it in and moved to Idaho. He saw the writing on the wall. I don't think most folks today can even fathom many of our great cities once used to be respectable and safe Republican-led communities. Thanks to those aforementioned educational facilities and their media/cultural sidekicks, they turned these places into $hitholes. This evil has been going on a long time, and we're the frog in the boiling water that is only noticing our predicament.

"That “hero card” doesn’t play with me and really it never has. I’ll credit Gilchrest, that while he is known to be a veteran, I don’t think that he really trumpets this aspect of his life,...at least for gratuitous political gain."

I don't think there's anything wrong with playing the card, if you have the credibility to play it. Kerry tried to play it, but he has no credibility. Assuming his medals were actually properly gained, and we don't know that they were for 100%, he was helping the other team, and still is. That team wants to see America destroyed. BTW, Kerry was also a Republican... until he went through our great American collegiate system. See again what more monsters are made by them ?

"It’s funny that you mention Graham’s performance as the house manager, something I applauded. In retrospect, I’m thinking this was simply part of a play that Graham made toward the ultimate objective of obtaining power. We are talking about a strategy that he employed nearly 10 years ago to put himself in the catbird seat today. Sound like a “sleeper cell” to you?"

Yup, it does. But hopefully someone will rise up and challenge this buffoon next year in the primary.

"Anyway, my beef with folks like Graham is that while I may tolerate the likes of - geez, can’t even remember the dude from RI anymore and don’t have the will to google him - truly red states shouldn’t have to look to people like Lindsay Graham for leadership. The GOP should do exactly what the Democrats have done; develop a list of RINOs in red space and take them out!"

Missing Linc Chafee. There was the prime example of a RINO who was "copy of left" vs. his rodent opponent of "authentic left." We gained nothing with his election (in fact, in 2000, I endorsed his 'Rat opponent because at least he was pro-life, unlike the little RINO turd). His voting record was identical to Hillary's. Had he won reelection, and had we been exactly at parity in seats, he would've switched parties faster than Rosie O'Donnell scarfing down twinkies at the cafeteria. His loss was no loss, as that seat was worthless as soon as he occupied it. His dad, John, was no gem, either (and the only reason his father was a Republican was because he saw the Democrats hijack control of the state in the mid '30s, which it has effectively controlled ever since, and he never forgot that -- but he loved leftism more than the party's Conservative base, so hence had little in common with it as the years progressed).

"It’s been interesting ruminating with you. I am actually a conservative independent. While I am pro-life and pro-family I was shocked to take one of those online ideological tests only to find that I leaned libertarian. Needless to say, I was horrified and have been on the strictest diet of raw red meat ever since."

I'm a little dubious of those tests, since they often don't have the answers that match my views, and the questions they ask aren't often the best examples. I'm only libertarian to a small extent, since Libertarians are extremists of another sort. We either have the all-government types on the left, or none-at-all on the libertarian side, and I prefer the "small, Founding-Fathers-style-efficient and responsive, innovative government", which makes me a "moderate" (heh !). The irony about leftist Marxism is that its purest form is closer to libertarianism (no government), which is why the hard left DOESN'T EVEN GET leftism right ! They not only ruin cities, they f*ck up their own ideology away from its roots. It's why "liberalism" no longer means what it really is.

"Great pics of Nashville on yer profile. It’s a cool place, but I haven’t really been there in many a year. My bro lives in Memphis and seems to really enjoy Tennessee. I need to get out and visit him and his tribe. We are both Senator Fred guys. Now, Thompson only needs to declare!"

Yeah, kinda like waiting for Godot (or Guffman). I support him, but I won't say he's perfection, but nobody in politics usually is (or many other walks of life). However, he is head and shoulders above the field. I rather wish sometimes we'd get over this obsession with "copying Reagan", I think Reagan would be embarrassed by it. This is a different age than it was when Reagan came riding in 26 1/2 years ago (just as absurd to have asked Reagan to be another Ike, 28 years after he first came to DC, or another Goldwater -- and Reagan disliked the moniker of being a Goldwater Conservative, for good reason), and we have far different problems today. If Reagan were living today, he'd not be Reagan, he'd be someone else. Everyone is a product of a particular age, and we should remember that. We can seek to emulate them in their particular character, but in many other things, it becomes more anachronistic. I don't want Fred Thompson to be Reagan in 1980, I want him to be Fred Thompson 2008, and hope and pray he has what it takes to correct the gargantuan number of problems facing this nation, both domestically and internationally. It's not going to be easy for him.

"I have some good friends, musicians, who recently moved down to Nashville. There names are Judd and Maggie. They are great songwriters and really good kids to boot.Check them out if they are working on their chops in some of the local establishments."

It's funny, despite being a Nashvillian, I was never one for the local music scene. Aside from some old timers here and there, I tend to dislike country music (of course, I also tend to dislike most modern music after 1980. Most of the stuff today is simply dreadful, with (c)rap being the worst -- yet another corrosive element in our society that has harmed countless lives. How in the span of only 30 years, Black artists could go from the likes of giants such as Nat King Cole and Sam Cooke to those "fill-in-the-blank" individuals that spew that vile, misogynstic, criminal, hateful gangsta, et al, rap).

"Better post this puppy before my CPU coughs and sputters and turns all my work into a blinking cursor. Prayers for Congressman Mills and his family on this day. May he rest in peace."

I echo those remarks. Mills would probably still be alive today at 82.

24 posted on 05/25/2007 2:23:42 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Baltimore County ? But that’s not even in the 1st,....

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Actually, I have not looked at the map recently, but I am pretty sure they gerrymandered it to include the Eastern Shore and part of B’more County.


25 posted on 05/25/2007 4:29:26 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: Bigg Red

Yeah, apparently I was looking at an old map. The MD rodents really clusterf*cked the GOP to shrink them from 4 to 2 members after ‘02.


26 posted on 05/25/2007 4:31:07 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Here’s a description of the 1st from RINO Gilchrest’s site:

The District encompasses all nine counties of the Eastern Shore (Worcester, Wicomico, Somerset, Dorchester, Caroline, Talbot, Queen Anne’s, Kent and Cecil), along with substantial portions of Harford and Baltimore Counties (Bel Air, Churchville, Level, Hickory, Kingsville, Mays Chapel, Germantown, Glen Arm and parts of Perry Hall and Cockeysville) and a small part of Anne Arundel County across the Chesapeake Bay (Broadneck,Arnold, Severna Park, Millersville).

And here’s the URL for Harris’s exploratory site.

http://www.andyharris08.com/


27 posted on 05/25/2007 5:01:10 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Here is the exploratory campaign website for Harris, who is challenging Wayne Murtha Gilchrest.

http://www.andyharris08.com/


28 posted on 05/25/2007 5:04:22 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Hey. Nice post.

I think we’re on the same page with regard to most of this stuff. For someone form Nashville you sure know your Mayland.

If you’d like to get a bit more of a flavor on the Free State and politics some of the better programs can be streamed on a Saturday morn at:

www.wbal.com

Governor Ehrlich, as you mentioned, is a real gem compared to Lilmarty. He has a one hour spot I believe at 10 am EST on Saturday. I liked him a good bit despite some of the obvious issues that we did not agree on (stem cells was a big one and a reluctance to address our burgeoning illegal immigration problem because “it’s a Federal issue). Anyway, the show is him and the former first lady. So, far the program’s been a bit of puff, but easy listening for a Saturday morn. It’s pleasant.

The former first lady is a real pistol! It’d be nice to have her run for Governor next.


29 posted on 05/25/2007 2:01:54 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("I have a tiki torch and I know how to use it!")
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To: incredulous joe

As far as I can tell, Ehrlich is supposedly going to defer to Mike Steele for the Governorship in 2010. I was rather hoping in the meantime that Ehrlich goes and challenges Dutch Tofuburger in what’s left of his old House bailiwick.


30 posted on 05/25/2007 6:25:30 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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