It's a Shame Fred Thompson Isn't Doing Better

Holy Coast ^ | December 22, 2007 | Rick Moore

[2ndDivisionVet]

After reading this question that was posed to Fred Thompson and his answer, I can't help but think it's a shame that he's not doing better in the campaign (h/t Instapundit): AKD: What will you do for the farmers of Bremer County?

FT: (laughs)

AKD: You knew this was coming, right?

FT: I would continue to enjoy the fruits of their labor. I’ve been looking all over Iowa for a bad steak and I can’t find it. Been trying my best. It’s not a matter of what I would do for the farmers. Farmers are not looking for a president to hand them something. Farmers want fair treatment and a chance to prosper in a free economy and that’s what I would help ensure. There’s a lot of programs we’ve got out there, some of which are good programs, some of which are not. And I think that we need to work our way through that and make sure we’re doing what’s good for the country, not just the farmers, not just the people of Iowa, not just the people of Tennessee. But good for the country. A sound policy that makes sense. I think there’s a lot more that we could do for the working farmer in terms of ecological programs and environmental programs - land conservation, soil conservation - that would be fair and it would be beneficial to the nation and to Iowa and to our country. We’re going to have to phase out the corporate welfare system we’ve got, however. There are extremely rich people living in skyscrapers in Manhattan that are receiving subsidy payments. I think that’s wrong. I’d put a stop to that if it was within my power. That still continues in this latest Farm Bill and it’s not right. There ought to be a cutoff at some level and it’s not right ot have millionaires receiving farm subsidies. Just about every other candidate would give a litany of government programs designed to prop up the farm industry, but Fred suggests the real solution is getting government out of the way and eliminating subsidies that don't make sense. When I read a response like this is reminds me that Fred is probably the only true conservative we have running and it doesn't look like he has a chance to win thanks to a somewhat lackluster campaign.

Instead we have conservatives lining up behind Mike Huckabee because he agrees with them on two issues - gay marriage and abortion - neither of which the president can do much about. And all the while they ignore his liberal history as governor of Arkansas. If Huckabee is a real conservative, explain this: Since he's running in the Republican primaries for president, don't expect Mike Huckabee to be advertising the strong endorsement he just got from Ted Strickland, Ohio's Democratic governor.

It seems Mr. Strickland, who typically racked up a 95% rating from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action during his 16 years in Congress, has discovered a kindred spirit in Mr. Huckabee. He told the Cincinnati Enquirer last Sunday that Mr. Huckabee is a "combination of conservative views in some ways, but very, almost liberal views in other ways." Mr. Strickland concluded: "Of all the Republican candidates, Mr. Huckabee would be my personal choice."

While Mr. Strickland didn't specifically mention education as an area where he shares agreement with Mr. Huckabee's "almost liberal views," it's notable that the former Arkansas governor was endorsed for the GOP nomination this month by the New Hampshire affiliate of the National Education Association. Mr. Huckabee has sent mixed signals on support for school choice, but the president of the NEA in New Hampshire cited opposition to school vouchers that Mr. Huckabee apparently expressed in his meeting with the union as a key reason for the endorsement.

As for Mr. Strickland, he has become one of the most vociferous opponents of school choice anywhere in the country. Earlier this year, he attempted to end Ohio's statewide school choice experiment with a line-item veto, called for a moratorium on new charter schools, and said he would like to ban for-profit companies from operating schools in Ohio. It's frequently said politics makes strange bedfellows, but in the case of Ohio's Democratic governor lavishing praise on Republican Mike Huckabee, it appears to be a case of two peas in a pod.

I wish we could do this whole thing over and get Fred into the race earlier and with more gusto.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Fred can still win--with our help!

[glmjr]

MINUTE MEN of America

NRA of America

 We want to know.....what the hell are you waiting for?

Your endorsements could make the difference in the upcoming elections.  If you haven't noticed, you have the perfect candidate in the race.  The future of stopping illegal immigration and the individuals right to bear arms are at stake.  Failure to give your support to the right person could cost all freedom loving Americans dearly.  Your members want you to endorse a person that will stop illegal immigration and secure our rights to bear arms.  A true conservative is the only choice, no liberal republicans or democrats need apply.

Everyone needs to call NRA headquarters / Minute Men headquarters today and voice our opinions.  I have.

 

"When I am president, I will build a fence."

"My idea of gun control is a good, steady aim."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[doc1019]

Sly ole’ fox. He is just waiting until all the front runners finish tripping over their collative tongues and then he will step up. Rabbit and hare scenario in action.

;-)

[glmjr]

I would rather vote for a Democrat than that....more government involvement...amnesty pushing... foreign affairs ignorant...Bush bashing....high taxing....parole giving...credential lying.....preacher hick from Arkansas. That's about it (sure I missed something)

Minute Men of America
 It's Time to Stand Up

 

I always thought your group stood against illegal immigration.  I also thought  the Minute Men wanted a permanent security fence along our southern border.  It is now clear to me that your leaders are either asleep or have given up on the cause.

"When I am president, I will build a fence."

 

Did you know .....Fred Thompson in a speech in Iowa on the 21st. of Dec. declared  "When I am president, I will build a fence."  He went further on to say...Amnesty and illegal immigration, he said, are not healthy for the U.S. or Mexico. "We need to be a nation of high fences and wide gates."

Is this not what we want?
Where are the Minute Men leaders?
Why aren't there Minute Men  TV spots right now endorsing and supporting Fred Thompson?  

If we fail to do so we may have a Democrat or a liberal Republican elected, who will then push an amnesty bill through congress.  Call Minute Men Headquarters in your state today.

 

 

[MASS-2 FAC]

2ndDV your right on the money with that comment. Fred and Hunter are the only two conservatives in this race. If we want Fred, we here at FR have to take the lead and drive the support. The MSM will ignore him because he’s a threat to the Dem who wins. If they (the MSM) can get Huck in against Hildabeast, they believe they can drive her into office. Fred will charge the conservative base and can knock our their Dem candidate. Semper Fi

[Politicalmom]

Fredipedia: The Definitive Fred Thompson Reference

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[Prophet in the wilderness]

Is there a way we can send emails to the Minute Men of America and the NRA and send this ( your ) message to them ?
Are they getting hounded to support Fred already ?
I see this as Fred's " Valley Forge " moment.

[Clintonfatigued]

“Fred can still win—with our help!”

You’re right about that. The Republican electorate has not reached any hard concensus, and most who support the current front-runners are leaners, not committed supporters.

[2ndDivisionVet]

FRED'S THE ONE! IF YOU CAN HELP, CLICK BELOW!!!

[glmjr]

     Can you really imagine this bunch in the White House? 

        HEEHAW, HEEHAW
Hey mom...what's for super? Pedro back. He slipped over the border  yesterday, do you think we can get Maria to cook up some her fine tacos?

 I would rather vote for a Democrat than that....more government involvement...amnesty pushing... foreign affairs ignorant......Bush bashing....high taxing....parole giving...credential lying.....preacher hick from Arkansas. That's about it (sure I missed something)

Karl Rove might be right when he said to get ready for a Democratic era in the White House.  A vote for Huckabee is a vote for a Democrat, no matter which party wins.

[2ndDivisionVet]

I’m overweight, myself, as is the average American, nowadays. I have never attacked Mike Huckabee on his former weight or that of his family...it’s his nanny-state, open-borders, Jimmy Carteresque foreign policy and tax & spend policies that make him a non-starter for me and so many others.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

More than anything else, Fred needs our financial help, I know people are out buying Christmas gifts, but, I think our future of our nation is more important than a few Christmas gifts.
Do some of you see any kind a parallel with Fred at this moment and George Washington at Valley Forge ?
In the winter of 1777, things didn't look good for the Continetal Army, and it was at Valley Forge that George Washington with the help of Baron von Steuben to transform the Continental Army into a viable professional army that went on and defeated the British.

( The Story of Valley Forge ).

( Things Improved )...

[seekthetruth]

“Is there a way we can send emails to the Minute Men of America and the NRA and send this ( your ) message to them ?
Are they getting hounded to support Fred already ?
I see this as Fred’s “ Valley Forge “ moment.”

Some time ago I wrote the NRA through their contact link on the NRA website. I stated that although I was not an NRA member I was looking forward to hearing about whom they would be endorsing in the Republican primary. Have not heard back. Just wonder when they will endorse. We know they would back whomever the Republican nominee is over any Democrat, but would think they would make an endorsement now among the Republican candidates. GO FRED!

[2ndDivisionVet]

FRED THOMPSON is the best person to lead this country. He is a true conservative and has been his entire life. All one has to do is check his record to see this.

During my time in the Army as an Intelligence Analyst, I personally served under both Presidents Carter and Reagan (as my commanders in chief). Without argument, President Reagan was the best commander-in-chief a military person could ever have served under. Fred Thompson possesses the same qualities and vision as President Reagan in that he is strong on national defense and sees a dire need to secure our borders and control immigration.

I can think of no better person to lead this country and fix the problems we have. He is the only candidate from either party who has specific and detailed plans on border security and immigration reform; revitalization of America’s armed forces; saving and protecting Social Security; and tax relief and economic growth. These are detailed on his Web site at www.fred08.com . I challenge you to find any other candidate who has laid out specific plans to fix anything.

Fred Thompson has published his first principles, some of which are mentioned above. In addition to those, he strongly believes in individual liberty, personal responsibility, limited government, federalism, traditional American values, the rule of law and is a strong proponent of the Second Amendment — all concepts established during the birth of our country and documented in our Constitution.

Again, try to find any candidate who has laid out their plans to “fix” this country. You will find they all speak in vague and abstract terms on their plans.

For those who have heard Fred Thompson speak, you will usually hear him say that the Fred Thompson you see today is the same Fred Thompson you saw yesterday and is the same Fred Thompson you will see tomorrow. He stands by his principles and values and doesn’t shift his positions based on polls or public opinion; in other words, he doesn’t say what the voters want to hear just to get elected, but remains steadfast on his views and convictions.

During his time in the Senate he focused on three areas: to lower taxes, strengthen national security and expose waste in the federal government. Fred Thompson has foreign policy experience, having served as member of the Senate Foreign Relations and Senate Intelligence committees.

As chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, he opened the investigation in 1997 on the Chinese government’s attempt to influence American policies and elections, and this investigation identified connections with the Clinton administration (documented in the committee’s report).

As a member of the Finance Committee, he worked tirelessly to enact three major tax-cut bills. Fred Thompson remains steadfast and even though a person may not agree with all his views and he understands some may disagree with him, you can count on him to be consistent and unwavering.

Don’t be fooled by his laid back approach and what critics call his “laziness.” As a former assistant U.S. attorney, he earned a reputation as a tough prosecutor and he possesses the toughness this country needs in order to tackle today’s and tomorrow’s issues.

I ask that you take a hard look at what this country needs, then take a hard look at all the other candidates’ views, policies, their records and their track record on consistency. Fred Thompson possesses integrity, loyalty, commitment, energy and decisiveness, all traits of an effective leader, and will emerge as the best person to take this country boldly forward.

[glmjr]

Democratic Governor Endorses Mike Huckabee

Instead we have conservatives lining up behind Mike Huckabee because he agrees with them on two issues - gay marriage and abortion - neither of which the president can do much about. And all the while they ignore his liberal history as governor of Arkansas. If Huckabee is a real conservative, explain this: Since he's running in the Republican primaries for president, don't expect Mike Huckabee to be advertising the strong endorsement he just got from Ted Strickland, Ohio's Democratic governor.

It seems Mr. Strickland, who typically racked up a 95% rating from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action during his 16 years in Congress, has discovered a kindred spirit in Mr. Huckabee. He told the Cincinnati Enquirer last Sunday that Mr. Huckabee is a "combination of conservative views in some ways, but very, almost liberal views in other ways." Mr. Strickland concluded: "Of all the Republican candidates, Mr. Huckabee would be my personal choice."

NOW,,, THERE SHOULD BE NOT DOUBT IN YOUR MIND....HUCKABEE IS LOVED BY DEMOCRATS.

God save us if he is actually nominated by the Republican party, or should I say "former" Republican party ..if that actually occurs. 

YOUR CHOICE                           This                         OR                                   This. 

                                                        

NEITHER IS A PRETTY PICTURE

[upsdriver]

>>> Farmers are not looking for a president to hand them something. Farmers want fair treatment and a chance to prosper in a free economy and that’s what I would help ensure. <<<

Actually, farmers are lazy. They would rather elect politicians to go to Washington and steal my paycheck because they are too lazy to break into my house and steal it themselves.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Hey Papa Vet ? Read this ? draw some parallels, about George Washington and the Continental Army at Valley Forge.
I like this line on the page were it says ( Things improved ) about Von Steuben ( Steuben has been called history's only popular drillmaster. " The men loved his gruff manner " lol.. sound like someone we know ? Fred ? Fred Gruff.. lol.

( Things Improved )

[Prophet in the wilderness]

I noticed Fred somethings references George Washington.

[prairiebreeze]

screw you

[Prophet in the wilderness]

http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/index.html

[Prophet in the wilderness]

http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/washington/george2.html

[Prophet in the wilderness]

http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/washington/george2.html

[ShadowDancer]

Not trying to be a PITA but you might want to make a separation between when he’s quoted and when the author of the piece is talking. Makes Thompson sound like Elmo.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

You’re right about that. The Republican electorate has not reached any hard concensus, and most who support the current front-runners are leaners Liberal Plants, not committed supporters.
there now, fixed.
Don't be fooled, Rudy , Mitt Romney, Huck are Liberals masquerading as Conservative, I don't care what the Mitt supporters, Rudy supporters, Huck supporters say, or attack us as saying that we think Fred's words are the gospel, we like Fred because he is a CONSERVATIVE.

[ShadowDancer]

Actually, farmers are lazy.

What a dumbass thing to say. Then again, it's coming from a guy in cute brown shorts and no heat in his truck so what the hell.

[Yaelle]

FT: I would continue to enjoy the fruits of their labor. I’ve been looking all over Iowa for a bad steak and I can’t find it. Been trying my best. It’s not a matter of what I would do for the farmers. Farmers are not looking for a president to hand them something. Farmers want fair treatment and a chance to prosper in a free economy and that’s what I would help ensure. There’s a lot of programs we’ve got out there, some of which are good programs, some of which are not. And I think that we need to work our way through that and make sure we’re doing what’s good for the country, not just the farmers, not just the people of Iowa, not just the people of Tennessee. But good for the country. A sound policy that makes sense. I think there’s a lot more that we could do for the working farmer in terms of ecological programs and environmental programs - land conservation, soil conservation - that would be fair and it would be beneficial to the nation and to Iowa and to our country. We’re going to have to phase out the corporate welfare system we’ve got, however. There are extremely rich people living in skyscrapers in Manhattan that are receiving subsidy payments. I think that’s wrong. I’d put a stop to that if it was within my power. That still continues in this latest Farm Bill and it’s not right. There ought to be a cutoff at some level and it’s not right ot have millionaires receiving farm subsidies. Just about every other candidate would give a litany of government programs designed to prop up the farm industry, but Fred suggests the real solution is getting government out of the way and eliminating subsidies that don't make sense. When I read a response like this is reminds me that Fred is probably the only true conservative we have running and it doesn't look like he has a chance to win thanks to a somewhat lackluster campaign.

He is brilliant.

But I do hope that at the end, you forgot to add a paragraph with your comments on it -- or Fred is starting to sound a lot like Bob Dole. I had to do a doubletake when I read that Fred was saying "...but Fred suggests..."

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Jim ? do you make endorsements during the primaries ? please tell us whom you support.

[Yaelle]

Makes Thompson sound like Elmo.

Elmo, Bob Dole, same thing. ;)

[Yaelle]

I agree that we do not need to mock people for their weight. However, I do feel that it’s fair game to mock a family of whom one son was arrested for hanging a poor dog from a noose, for appearing to choke and drag a dog into their Christmas photo.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

” We know they would back whomever the Republican nominee is over any Democrat “ looks like they might have to do it now, we already got Democrats ( in Republican disguise ) running, Rudy, Mitt, Huck.

[upsdriver]

You must be a farmer. Farmers get quite agitated when anyone calls them on their subsidized welfare lifestyle.

I grew up on a farm, even farmed for awhile myself. I have relatives who have received millions in farm payments. A step-brother received a check from the government for $50,000. He told my dad he wasn’t even sure what it was payment for. So you can call it anything you wish. I call getting something for nothing, stealing. Screw me? yeah, I feel screwed everytime I get my paycheck and see all my hard earned wages taken away from me. I earned it, someone else gets to spend it.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

I wonder what these people would do if Farmers cut off their food supply ?

[upsdriver]

I know farmers are not lazy, I said that only to dramatize the welfare aspects of farming and the fact that lazy has been used against Fred Thompson. I haven’t commented on that, btw. I know lots of farmers who work hard. I only wish they would get off the welfare wagon. Those who don’t like that system vote Republican but many vote Democrat(my relatives) and feel totally entitled to government handouts because they are poor farmers.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

I see my spelling is not good tonight, I am a little tired tonight, so please forgive me.

[Eric Blair 2084]

I am sick of the GOP cheerleaders who claim that ANY Republican is better than a Democrat. Nonsense.

Huck is a liberal Democrat who is religious and hunts.

I have more confidence in Hillary to stand up against the Islamofascists than Huck. She has more testosterone running through her veins than Barry Bonds.

Go Fred.

[sageb1]

Fred Thompson Speaks to the NRA - 09-21-07-pt2

From September, but worth posting again.

[Mr Apple]

Fred in ‘08

[Eric Blair 2084]

[prairiebreeze]

I wonder how they’d feel about paying $7 / lb retail at the grocery store for potatoes.

[prairiebreeze]

Actually I own farmland....passed down through my family. Since that ground has raised 4 generations and sustained 5...I believe I have a lot more understanding of what is involved in making a living out of farming than you apparently do.

First, I wouldn’t dream of claiming that “farmers are lazy”, any more than I say that “UPS drivers are ingnorant morons”...even though your post might be an argument for the latter.

As for “millions in government payments”, or “$50,000”....all I can honestly say is I’ve never received nor heard of anybody else receiving subsidies anywhere near those figures. The couple thousand (landlords share) I’ve received annually...has helped pay the land taxes and cost of operation bills. Read on.

Let’s talk a moment about risk and perhaps you can open your mind just a bit. Specifically the last 6 years, my farmland (nephew is tenant-farming it) yielded little to no profit whatsoever. None of this was nephews doing or fault whatsoever.....he’s a good farmer, a good manager, and WORKS HARD. You Got That?? He works hard as did my dad, my brother, my father-in-law and the vast majority of anybody trying to make a living being a farmer.

But between crops being hailed out, 4 years of severe drought and late freezes, weather caused not only him but entire communities to have nothing to show for the effort and work. Nothing to speak of for 5-6 years. Think about it.

OTOH, fuel prices, fertilizer and pesticide costs, taxes all continued to rise every single year. Thankfully, last year brought moisture, no late freezes, little hail (to us anyway) and a WHOLE LOT OF FINANCIAL HEALING to a WHOLE LOT OF FOLKS who desperately needed it.

Should those folks have had to go belly up? Should they have had to go far far way way into debt in order just to ride out 5 straight bad luck years in a row? Should those families have just lost the ground that’s been handed down for generations?

You, sir or ma’am... have some thinking to do before you whine your song all over the internet about how unfair government subsidies are in all instances. And you have a whole lot to learn about long term tenancity, determination and perseverance.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Won’t be able to pay the cable bill.