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Fred Wins (New Hampshire GOP Debate)
Fred08 ^ | January 5, 2008 | Sean Hackbarth

Posted on 01/06/2008 5:39:19 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Marc Ambinder declares Fred the winner:

On points, Fred Thompson won the debate.

Every answer was thoughtful and well-crafted; his tone matched the tone of the question; he wisely refrained from interjecting in the back and forth squabbling. He very deftly reminded viewers that he served on key Senate national security panels and is bringing his experience to bear. Even his insults were subtly and gently constructed In some ways, Thompson did McCain’s bidding. You skeptical readers can tell me that if Thompson had finished a solid fourth in Iowa, I might not be writing about Thompson at all, that said, he’s still a candidate, and his performance tonight tells me his mind is not elsewhere.

UPDATE: Lane at Blogs for Fred Thompson:

It seems to me that with each debate, Fred gets stronger. Tonight I felt he was the one who clearly looked most Conservative on the stage.

Fred responses were strong on national security, strong on immigration, strong on health care, and put on display his consistent conservative principles that he’s been talking about all along.

He was also able to sit there and interject at times about his opponents weakness and also watch as they hacked away at each other showing their inconsistencies that tend to turn off conservative voters.

During this debate, it was Fred who came away looking like a strong conservative candidate who has the knowledge and experience to be President. I must say that Fred really looked Presidential.

A great night for Fred, and in my opinion a clear win.

Michelle Malkin writes:

So far, I’d say Fred Thompson is doing well for himself.

brkcmo writes:

Once again, Fred Thompson came across as the “grown-up” in the room during the ABC Republican Debate tonight. Fred did not talk as much as Giuliani and Romney, who seemed to keep their mouths moving virtually non-stop, but when he did talk it was worth listening to.

Fred had wise, common sense, conservative answers to the questions and issues facing America. When he spoke, you had the sense that he was telling you what he really thought, and what he believes to be best for the nation. There was no sense of an agenda, or taking a position in order to pander to polls and pundits, unlike Romney and Giuliani.

The format was interesting, but did allow the two loud-mouth candidates to dominate the time, although they did not really say very much. Lots of noise — little substance.

If people think carefully about the kind of person they want to be making the great decisions the Presidency demands, they should want a person of strength, wisdom, stability, and courage — Fred Thompson.

P.S. — George Stephanopholous just said he thought Fred Thompson had a great night!

UPDATE II: Peter Robinson:

With respect to Brother Jonathan, in my judgment Fred Thompson turned in a very fine performance, the more effective for proving underplayed. The others fought, bickered, attempted to demonstrate their brains. Naturally enough, they commanded the viewer’s immediate attention. But did they look like chief executives of a great nation? Or like candidates for a student council? Thompson stood, in effect, to one side, quiet and dignified, speaking less often, perhaps, but with cogency and principle. Thompson alone conveyed a sense of gravitas. He looked, spoke, and comported himself like a president.

If (as I expect) Romney fares badly in New Hampshire, Thompson will be the obvious choice for conservatives. He’s going to prove an easy man to rally around.

Mark Hemingway:

Thompson was just great. He seemed judicious and thoughtful, but he needed another breakout moment or two like the last debate to get people’s attention and couldn’t find it.

Andy McCarthy:

Rich and Mark Steyn are right, and I was wrong. I always think it’s strange when the great athletes talk about letting the game come to them. But that’s how this format worked for Fred, and when called on he did great. I thought his explanation of healthcare economics was staggeringly good — I don’t see how you could do it better in this format. And when he went into trial lawyer mode, cross-examining the other candidates, he did in the effective way — no screaming, but pressing (patiently but insistently) for an answer. Very nicely done.

Bryan at Hot Air:

Fred wins. He said the least but what he said was most worth listening to. He managed to come across as the sage in the race, too wise to get into the fray but not above smacking the kids around when he has to.

UPDATE III: Rick Klein, ABC News:

How could [Mitt Romney] have let Fred Thompson best him on a debate over healthcare?


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Fred is movin' on up!
1 posted on 01/06/2008 5:39:20 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Politicalmom; jellybean; Josh Painter; ejonesie22; papasmurf; Bobbisox; DesScorp; thefactor; ...
FRED PING!
2 posted on 01/06/2008 5:44:43 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Fred can finish strong in NH, then SC can be the state that puts him on top for good.

Frankly, I think the choice for Republicans in 2008 is between Fred Thompson and oblivion. There is no guarantee, of course, that we will not choose oblivion. They don't call us The Stupid Party for nuthin'!

3 posted on 01/06/2008 5:45:02 AM PST by gridlock (300 Million Americans will not be elected President in 2008. Hillary Clinton will be one of them.)
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To: gridlock

I think that conservatives need to form a new party cause the Repub is no longer truly conservative.


4 posted on 01/06/2008 5:46:34 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Liberalism IS a mental illness.)
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To: gridlock
If Fred can finish strong in NH,

My understanding (corrections and updates welcome) is that Fred consiters NH too lib, he will not change anyones mind there anyway and is going directly to SC.

5 posted on 01/06/2008 5:51:18 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

When you say New Hampshire is too lib, I hope you are meaning libertarian because that is what they consider themselves. Both in the Republican and Democratic side. I believe they also have a huge amount of independents in the state.

Because there is not a large religious backdrop in the State, they tend to possess liberal views on social issues. They see abortion as a woman’s choice and preventing it would be the government unduly intervening. I can’t tell you how many ways I disagree with this, but I’m just espousing their views.


6 posted on 01/06/2008 6:17:28 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: TLI

One other thing, I consider myself as having a libertarian bent also. However, I do have differing views than these type of libertarians in regarding a lot of social issues.


7 posted on 01/06/2008 6:19:43 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred keeps winning but he doesn’t move in the polls. I am just flabergasted... I don’t get the gop right now!


8 posted on 01/06/2008 6:22:26 AM PST by crazydad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Fred was just on Fox News. Bill Hemmer asked him, why he was not catching on?

Paraphrasing Fred's answer: It is because of you guys (MSM). I watched the Fox coverage of the Iowa voting and the panel members on Fox where saying all night that McCain would come in third, it was all about McCain and when the results came in and I was third, and not McCain, there was no mention of my name.

9 posted on 01/06/2008 6:22:45 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
I was not sure, which is why I invited corrections/info. What it really amounts to is Fred does not see any help to his campaign from NH so he is focusing on SC.

FOX just had a few numbers on the NH Primary, Fred is at 2.1%. Skipping NH and going to SC sounds like a wise choice on his part.

10 posted on 01/06/2008 6:24:01 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: gridlock

If Fred can finish strong in NH, then SC can be the state that puts him on top for good.


Not gonna happen unless you consider finishing just above Hunter or Cox as strong. Fred was just on Fox News and what little I caught of it he is saying he’s not going to do well in NH, hasn’t campaigned there, not enough time, etc. etc. He’s polling somewhere around 2 - 3%. He is only in NH for the circus that was yesterday and today. He is concentrating on SC as his breakout state.


11 posted on 01/06/2008 6:29:41 AM PST by deport ( --- 2 days New Hampshire votes--- 31 days Super Tuesday -- [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: Red_Devil 232
Fox where saying all night that McCain would come in third, it was all about McCain and when the results came in and I was third, and not McCain, there was no mention of my name.

Correct. I watched it from beginning to end and that is exactly what FOX did. Total blackout of Fred. Most of the MSM was doing it. Nightline on ABC ran for an hour and did in-depth of the candidates that night (Clinton-Edwards-Obama and Huck-Mitt-Juan. In the entire hour I recorded Fred Thompson being mentioned exactly SIX SECONDS. It was to grudging admit that Fred had "apparently" gotten third place.

12 posted on 01/06/2008 6:31:24 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: gridlock; All

GOP tonight [Mark Steyn]

Fred was great. He’s like Perry Como. He should never not sit down. Romney, I thought, was not good. McCain’s crack about how he agreed Mitt was the “candidate of change” was an instant killer of the governor’s post-Iowa rhetorical tic and he had no comeback apart from a prissy complaint about McCain being “needlessly personal”. He’s got to be better than that if he’s going to retrieve this thing by Tuesday.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTY5ZmUyZWJiYjc3NTc1NzAzNjFhZTZmYjVhN2IzZDM=


13 posted on 01/06/2008 6:42:09 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: TLI

Watching FNF this morning it was all about the Dem debate. Berry and Hillary debate clips all over the place. They may have had one short clip showng the Republican debate.


14 posted on 01/06/2008 7:20:12 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Big winner was Fred.

Big loser was Romney.


15 posted on 01/06/2008 7:41:36 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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16 posted on 01/06/2008 8:29:51 AM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee’s foreign policy experience consists of eating at the International House of Pancakes.)
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To: Politicalmom

Another great interview with FRed, this time on CNN. Go FRed!


17 posted on 01/06/2008 9:13:19 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
yea, I saw that. Wasn't that WB's show? He had Fred on live and actually let him go through most of his platform, the economy, illegals, anchor babies, health care, energy, the war, Pakistan, etc.

It's about time MSM started waking up to realize Fred is real.

18 posted on 01/06/2008 9:59:17 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Yep, FOX is still bleating on about Mitt-Huck-Juan-Obama and breaking it up with news flashes on Britney.


19 posted on 01/06/2008 10:02:00 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

Yes, it was Wolf Blitzer. I, too thought he did a fair interview, surprisingly.


20 posted on 01/06/2008 10:02:05 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TLI

I don’t know why this is and I am trying to understand why Fred will not go on the O’Reilly show. Is it just a personality conflict? If so, Fred should put that behind him and get some free publicity and get his message out.


21 posted on 01/06/2008 10:31:14 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: deport
He’s polling somewhere around 2 - 3%.

The newest poll yesterday puts him at 5%. That's a 100% increase each day. At this rate he should be at 40% by Tuesday.

Seriously, though, I saw him at 5% in the last poll, 3 points off Guiliani. I think he should hope to beat Guiliani in NH and, as you say, SC is his do or die.

22 posted on 01/06/2008 10:37:04 AM PST by Texas Federalist (Fred Thompson - The only true conservative in the race)
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To: Texas Federalist

I really don’t know what his NH polling data shows. I was only going by the poll info they were showing on Fox News while Fred was on live this morning.. He also said he wouldn’t do well and therefore was concentrating on other venues and only in NH for the circus of yesterday and today.


23 posted on 01/06/2008 10:45:47 AM PST by deport ( --- 2 days New Hampshire votes--- 31 days Super Tuesday -- [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: trisham

Is there a video available? I missed this one! BOO HOO!

Was FRED - FRED?

FRED THOMPSON - NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERIENCE (I’ll protect the American people and American values, whatever it takes to stop the Islamic-Fascists including water-boarding!) - 2ND AMENDMENT ADVOCATE (“Individual” rights to protect their homes and property!)

INCREASE THE MILITARY’S STRENGTH AND SIZE (Diplomacy through Strength and verification!)

SECURE AND SEAL THE BORDERS (Don’t give sanctuary anywhere to illegal’s; don’t employ illegal’s; don’t rent to illegal’s; don’t extend credit to illegal’s; don’t give illegal’s rights they have no right to; report all crimes committed by illegal’s to ICE and immediately deport those illegal’s who have already committed crimes against America!) LAW AND ORDER (Enforcement of our current laws regarding illegal immigration!) – DENY FEDERAL DOLLARS TO SANCTUARY CITIES (Enough is enough!)

CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES FOR SUPREMES (Great progress has been made on the Supreme Court in Bush’s term. FRED was asked by President Bush to spirit Justice Roberts through the confirmation process. The next President will probably have the opportunity to seat two additional Justices. This is huge folks. FRED will nominate Justices who will interpret the Constitution, not create rights that simply do not exist and legislate from the bench!) – PRO-LIFE ADVOCATE (will strive to nominate superior Justices with the eventual goal of overturning Roe vs Wade)

SOCIAL SECURITY REFORMER (Social Security is an entitlement program that will soon overtake the budget. The program can’t sustain itself and will bankrupt future generations; FRED has detailed proposals to save Social Security and provide the added benefit of private savings accounts for younger workers!)

DEFEAT ANY DEMOCRAT OR RINO (Close your eyes and imagine the first debate between FRED THOMPSON and ANY liberal DemocRAT they put up?)

TAX SIMPLIFICATION (Reform and perhaps eliminate the IRS with a variety of choice for the tax payer!)

EDUCATION (Return education to the States. It is that simple. The NEA is the greatest enemy of our educational system!)

WON’T PUT UP WITH TRUTH MANIPULATION FROM THE DB-MSM (including stupid questions by liberal moderators, and “purchased” political pundits)

FRED THOMPSON IS THE “WE THE PEOPLE” CANDIDATE (We the People asked him to set aside his personal life and step up one more time for his Country…and he stepped up!)

THIRD IN IOWA, SECOND IN WYOMING (MSM still calling it a tie with McCain’s name in the lead…FoxNews won’t even mention his name if they can find a way to avoid it!)


24 posted on 01/06/2008 1:16:38 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN FredHead FREEPER! [FRED THOMPSON will make an amazing Commander in Chief!])
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To: Texas Federalist
The newest poll yesterday puts him at 5%. That's a 100% increase each day. At this rate he should be at 40% by Tuesday.

I like your style. LOL

25 posted on 01/06/2008 1:22:14 PM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 51% negatives)
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To: proudofthesouth

I have felt that for some time. Call it the Conservative party.


26 posted on 01/06/2008 1:27:22 PM PST by admiralsn (--Hillary Clinton-- the New York Senator from Illinois via Arkansas)
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To: Bobbisox
Here's the FOX interview from today:

http://fredfile.fred08.com/blog/2008/video-fred-thompson-on-fox-news-010608/

27 posted on 01/06/2008 1:40:24 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Texas Federalist
Fred on FOX (finally)
28 posted on 01/06/2008 1:48:37 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: trisham

Thank you...I think FRED was great. He did not put his personal life on hold and uproot his family and postpone his acting career as well as sitting in for Paul Harvey to play their silly games. Questions only about their almighty process, instead of issues of leadership, or firm Conservative credentials. I’m MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE. VOTE THOMPSON. Can you imagine the look on the DB MSM face when FRED begins to surge in every primary and every poll. This stupid process is just beginning. We must be patient. No FredHead would expect a Conservative like FRED would poll well in New Hampshire, home of the liberal because of the brave.

PEOPLE, there are serious issues out there that FRED has prepared detailed position papers on. Share them with your friends and neighbors. FRED THOMPSON is the ONLY true Conservative left in this race with a real opportunity to win. What needs to happen now is a coalescence of true Conservatives.

WE THE PEOPLE need to unite behind FRED THOMPSON today!


29 posted on 01/06/2008 2:01:25 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN FredHead FREEPER! [FRED THOMPSON will make an amazing Commander in Chief!])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think McCain's "candidate of change" crack would have been great for him if he'd delivered it in a more offhand manner. As it was, it sounded like he spent all night coming up with it, much as it seems with most of what passes for wit and personality in John McCain's world. The pause for effect right after he said it allowed for more groans and eye-rolls rather than laughs.

It did have the intended effect on Romney, but, in the end, the exchange hurt both of them.
30 posted on 01/06/2008 2:25:11 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: proudofthesouth
I think that conservatives need to form a new party cause the Repub is no longer truly conservative.

If Rudy McRomney gets the nomination, that's just what will happen. But it will cost us this election, and many to come. It takes years to build a party to have any viability in national elections.

It will be much easier to take back the GOP from the NE liberals that inhabit the leadership.

To me, that is the seminal issue of this election. If we can't take the party back, we (conservatives) will spend a generation in the wilderness, and the libs will consolidate their hold on power to such a point, it may not be possible to win back our freedoms short of violent measures. I don't want to see it come to that.

This is why we must push back the RINO's and nominate a conservative, our the country is headed for an ugly future, if we have one as a nation at all. Our very survival as a free nation is at stake this year.

Yes, I really do believe this election is that important.

31 posted on 01/06/2008 2:51:22 PM PST by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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To: Bobbisox

You bet!


32 posted on 01/06/2008 2:55:11 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: admiralsn

We may have no choice but to do just that, but I believe the country will bear some enormous costs if it happens. See my post 31.


33 posted on 01/06/2008 2:59:07 PM PST by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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To: crazydad

This is also true about Duncan Hunter!


34 posted on 01/06/2008 3:01:51 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Jotmo

Conservatives should have taken back the party 8 years ago :^(


35 posted on 01/06/2008 3:07:26 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Liberalism IS a mental illness.)
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