The plane was taken down over international waters by a collision with a Chinese fighter and the crew taken hostage. Yes, that is an act of war. If we would have sent in the fleet and the Chinese would not have given up their hostages then the war would be on Chinese hands. We could have defeated them then much easier than now, and there'll likely be another incident.
That’s crazy talk. Should we have gone to war when Gary Powers got shot down also?
He wasn't in international airspace.
And what exactly does any of that have to do with Jefferson’s presidency?
You missed the "hypocrite" part. Forming the Navy and making the Louisiana Purchase (two acts that I agree with) were acts of hypocrisy since he spent the whole time of the Washington presidency railing against George Washington for smaller acts. I judge Clinton on the rape of Broaddricke too. Is there a rule that we can't like or dislike a president based on his "personal" life? Bush is a good man and a great president. Clinton is/was neither.
I could disagree on the points about Washington...
You mean "Jefferson"...Washington is one of my faves.
..., but none of it was about his Presidency and I don’t care about re-writing the old testement. We are electing a commander in chief, not a preacher in chief.
In that we are totally different. No wonder you're so screwed up in your discernment. It takes good people to have good government...you can't separate the two.
Talk about a war we should not have been in. We had no business being involved in WWI and our involvement tipped the scales of victory to the allies and sowed the seeds of WWII where 25 million people died. Wilson was possibly our worst president next to Grant.
So you have no problem with the Germans sinking American ships. Amazing. I'm surprised you support the war on terrorism. What's a few sailors...what's a few WTC businesspeople, eh?
Of course no President is perfect but Bush has gotten so many things wrong from immigration, to expanding governmental schools to not vetoing spending. He almost got the judges wrong also. Remember, before we got Alito he wanted to put a crony of his on the bench in Harriet Meirs. Alito is more a victory of conservatives in congress than it is for Bush. Far more things wrong than what was talked about the other Presidents.
I agree with him on immigration, spending will come with higher tax receipts (look at the lower rates), and we'll never know if Meirs would have been good or bad. Who knows, she may have been one of the best. The other presidents were a long time ago, if they were contemporary I'm sure the lists would be longer. The fact the you have only mentioned four shows that Bush was pretty good, seeing as how there hasn't been decades and centuries for things to fade, and the things you complain about aren't really on Bush.
Most of all, Bush has fractured the conservative base. The principles by which you say you believe in. That is one of the reasons IMHO we now have McCain instead of a true standard bearer of conservatism.
No, people like you have fractured the conservative base. You're doing it again on this thread, you're all worked up over nothing and this has been going on for years from people like you. So what if I think Bush is great, what are you upset about, everyone has opinions and no one will exactly match another on everything? You're making a big todo about nothing...fracture, fracture, fracture.
Wow, you’re willing to go to war over a plane being shot down. That’s great that you’re willing to expend many young lives over one incident. If you were the POTUS we would be at war every five years or so. Lets see, I guess we should have invaded Libya when Gohdaffi bombed the plane over Lockerbee and when Gary Powers got captured we should have gone to war with Russia and when the Mayaguez Incident happened we should have went to war with Cambodia. I support us going to war when its in our national interests. In fact, I have fought in combat when its in our national interests and when it wasn’t. However, we got all of the Navy personnel back in that crisis without going to war. When we can avert a war, it is a good thing. Since you appear to be so bloodthirsty I was just wondering if you served in combat?
“You missed the “hypocrite” part. Forming the Navy and making the Louisiana Purchase (two acts that I agree with) were acts of hypocrisy since he spent the whole time of the Washington presidency railing against George Washington for smaller acts.”
You know, that’s called politics. Deal with it.
“No wonder you’re so screwed up in your discernment. It takes good people to have good government...you can’t separate the two.”
So let me get this straight. If you rewrite the Old Testament you are a bad person? So if someone steps on your religious sensibilities they are a bad person? Just to let you know, you don’t have to be a Christian who attends church every Sunday to be a good person.
“So you have no problem with the Germans sinking American ships.”
I assume that you are talking about the Lisutania? Did you know that:
1. It was a British ship.
2. It sailed into a war zone in which the Germans declared all ships would be targets of warfare.
3. The British Navy was blockading Germany.
4. The German Embassy tried to buy adds in newspapers all across America warning the Americans that these ships were subject to sinking going into a war zone. Our government pressured many newspapers not to print this advertisement. It only got out in one newspaper. (Desmoine Register)
5. The German embassy posted signs at the pier leading up to the Lisutania that it was subject to sinking and warning American citizens not to travel on it.
6. The American and British government were secretly storing munitions on these ocean liners and it is believed that the Lisutania did indeed have munitions stored on it.
We know that Wilson wanted in the worst way to get into the war but political pressure forced him to stay out of it. What better thing than to have it look as though Germany was attacking America making them look like the bad guy. This incident was so similar to the U.S.S. Main exploding to set off the Spainish American war it’s sickening. Germany did not want America to enter the war.
Again, look at the consequences of us getting involved in a European war that had nothing to do with our National interests. We had to get invovled in another one 20 years later that was far more terrible.
“No, people like you have fractured the conservative base. You’re doing it again on this thread”
So because I’m consistent with conservative philosophy I’m the one fracturing the base, not the ones who are attacking the first amendment and adhering to liberal ideas like climate change? You sound like all of these conservative leaders who are going after the radio talk show hosts.