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Ark. House OKs bill allowing guns in churches
The Oregonian / The Associated Press ^ | February 11, 2009 | Jill Zeman

Posted on 02/11/2009 5:18:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The Arkansas House on Wednesday approved a bill allowing concealed handguns in churches, despite hearing arguments that lawmakers should put their faith in God, not guns.

The bill, which passed on a 57-42 vote and now heads to the Senate, removes churches and other houses of worship from the list of places where concealed handguns are banned. Currently, the only private entities where concealed weapons are banned are churches and bars.

The bill's sponsor, Rep. Beverly Pyle, R-Cedarville, said she introduced the measure after a series of church shootings across the country. She said it would be up to each individual church whether to allow the concealed guns.

"It is time we changed our concealed-handgun law to allow law-abiding citizens of the state of Arkansas the right to defend themselves and others should a situation happen in one of our churches," she said.

Pyle said at least 20 states have similar laws allowing churches to decide whether to permit concealed guns.

The measure drew opposition from a pair of pastors who are also legislators.

Rep. Steven Breedlove, D-Greenwood, a minister at the Valley View Church of Christ, said allowing concealed handguns won't stop someone from opening fire inside a church.

"Ronald Reagan was completely surrounded by armed guards and he was still shot," Breedlove said. "And that is why we must put our faith in God and not put our faith in something else ... Let us keep the sanctity of churches and put our faith in God and not in guns."

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Arkansas; Issues; State and Local
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; ccw; concealedcarry; democrats; gop; religion; selfdefense
Common sense, IMO.
1 posted on 02/11/2009 5:18:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gives a whole new meaning to “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.”


2 posted on 02/11/2009 5:21:46 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Ping.


3 posted on 02/11/2009 5:22:38 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Already doin’ it. ‘Course, I have one of those judiciary CHLs that exempts the carrier from the Texas prohibition on carry in church. You’d think Texas would be first on the block, but not yet.

Colonel, USAFR


4 posted on 02/11/2009 5:23:27 PM PST by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Church property is private property, if the preacher wants concealed carry in church, I don’t see how the state can do anything about it.


5 posted on 02/11/2009 5:32:56 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: c-b 1

‘Church property is private property, if the preacher wants concealed carry in church, I don’t see how the state can do anything about it.’

You got that right! Politicians are forever telling us about “separation of church and state”,maybe they should practice what they preach.


6 posted on 02/11/2009 5:52:15 PM PST by kickonly88
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To: jagusafr

It’s not prohibited to carry concealed in churches in Texas.

From the CHL Instructor’s Booklet:

“PC $46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses
or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon
listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution,
any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or
educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation
vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or
educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution;
(2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or
while early voting is in progress;
(3) on the premises of any government court or offices utilized by
the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization
of the court;
(4) on the premises of a racetrack; or
(5) in or into a secured area of an airport.
(6) within 1,000 feet of premises the location of which is designated
by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a place of
execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure, on a day
that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the designated
premises and the person received notice that:
(A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with a weapon listed
under this subsection was prohibited; or
TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS PC $46.035. 39
(B) possessing a weapon listed under this subsection within
1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.


7 posted on 02/11/2009 5:59:31 PM PST by Hazwaste (Liberals love the average American the same way that foxes love the average chicken.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I suspect that, if some idiot came into my Southern Baptist church shooting, there would be plenty of return fire.


8 posted on 02/11/2009 6:19:26 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Nope. Not gonna do it.)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

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9 posted on 02/11/2009 6:28:01 PM PST by Stayfree (The Obama Disaster.com has all the latest reasons why Obama shouldn't be President!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rep. Steven Breedlove, D-Greenwood, a minister at the Valley View Church of Christ, said allowing concealed handguns won't stop someone from opening fire inside a church.

No it won't. But, as proven in Colorado last year, it will limit how long they can keep firing.

If you and the congregation at Valley View Church of Christ don't want concealed handguns in church, you're free to post notice - but that "won't stop someone from opening fire inside a church" either.

The choice you have, Rep. Breedlove, is this - if a criminal does open fire on your congregation, do you want someone in the church to have the tools to stop them or not?
10 posted on 02/11/2009 6:42:20 PM PST by javachip (TARP - proof there is no situation so bad that government can't make it worse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Should it not be left to individual churches on who may or may not bring weapons into the place?


11 posted on 02/14/2009 12:03:20 PM PST by dbz77
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