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Two Conservatives running in Kansas Senate Race. Who do we get behind?
Stay Red Kansas ^ | 3-15-09 | Stay Red Kansas

Posted on 03/16/2009 9:15:46 AM PDT by ksgopconservative

Differences between Moran and Tiahrt

Several readers have been wondering about how the current race for U.S. Senate will shake out. What separates these candidates? There are few policy differences between Congressmen Jerry Moran and Todd Tiahrt - both of whom are fiscal and social conservatives.

After listening to several GOP operatives across Kansas, this is what SRK is hearing about the differences between Moran and Tiahrt.

Tiahrt - More of a Fighter

Todd Tiahrt is labeling himself as a proven fighter against Obama, Sebelius and Pelosi. His official office has released numerous press releases highlighting his firm opposition to Democrat beliefs and proposals.

At the same time, Tiahrt has written fundraising letters claiming that he will not run or hide from a tough challenge, while strongly inferring that his opponent will. Therefore, look for Tiahrt to take shots at Jerry Moran for going back and forth on the 2006 Governor’s race.

Illegal Immigration

Several conservative activists have highlighted their displeasure with Todd Tiahrt’s stance on immigration. Tiahrt is a co-sponsor and supporter of the DREAM act, which allows states to provide amnesty and in-state tuition to children of illegal aliens. Tiahrt also has some low ratings from anti-amnesty groups.

Moran has record of voting against amnesty and benefits for illegal aliens.

As things go forward, immigration could be an area of disagreement throughout the campaign.

SCHIP

Tiahrt voted against the expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), highlighting the proposal as a massive spending increase backed by Democrats. The latest SCHIP bill also has a 1-cent cigarette tax increase in it, which Tiahrt voiced displeasure over.

Moran voted for SCHIP, stating that it will help children in need by providing them with taxpayer-funded private insurance. Moran’s vote on SCHIP could draw an attack from the right, but also could provide cover from the National Democrat attacks. For example, 2008 3rd Congressional District Candidate Nick Jordan faced a week of attack ads on SCHIP by Democrat Dennis Moore.

Look for more sparring on SCHIP between Tiahrt and Moran.

Earmarks

Tiahrt sits on the appropriations committee and is a strong supporter of earmarks. His district strongly benefits from his slot on appropriations. That’s probably why Tiahrt opposed attempts by several House Republicans push for an earmark moratorium.

Moran introduced legislation with Rep. Jeff Flake that provides a moratorium on earmarks. Moran has gotten financial support from well-known earmark reformers like Sen. Tom Coburn.

Also, early in the campaign there is a dust-up between Moran and Tiahrt over contributions from a Washington-DC PAC that specialized in defense earmarks.

The Bottom Line

At this point in time, it seems like there are few major policy differences between the two candidates. However, as the campaign drags on, expect a sharp contrast on style and a handful of votes. Regardless of how the primary turns out, SRK believes both Tiahrt and Moran would be a solid, conservative Senator that will unify the party in November. Meanwhile, the Democrats continue to struggle for a candidate. Think positive Dems, perhaps Lee Jones could break the 35% barrier after all.


TOPICS: Kansas; Campaign News; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: kansas; moran; senate; tiahrt

1 posted on 03/16/2009 9:15:46 AM PDT by ksgopconservative
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To: ksgopconservative
Moran is NOT a friend to the Consevative movement.

Moran is allied with the RINO’s in Kansas.

I once hear Moran, with my own ears, use the term “Wingers” in reference to conservatives who had taken over the party for the first time, years ago.

2 posted on 03/16/2009 9:20:40 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ksgopconservative
Who do we get behind?

Neither one. The republican party has been infected with rinos. It must die.

DEATH TO THE REPULICAN PARTY. THE MOTHER OF ALL JIHADS WILL COMMENCE.

3 posted on 03/16/2009 9:21:33 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: ksgopconservative

It will be an interesting primary and definitely quite a change from previous Kansas GOP primaries where it usually pitted a conservative Republican against a moderate Republican.

To me, the immigration issue is so strong that (if I were a Kansas resident) would likely vote for Moran. Of second importance is the issue of earmarks. That too, would pretty much solidy my support for Moran.


4 posted on 03/16/2009 9:23:37 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

Do what I do. When it comes to voting I do extensive research on the candidates, I check into their prior voting records and their own personal history and biography and then I make my mind up according to everything I discover. If only more Americans actually voted this way...


5 posted on 03/16/2009 9:27:15 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: MplsSteve

Do what I do. When it comes to voting I do extensive research on the candidates, I check into their prior voting records and their own personal history and biography and then I make my mind up according to everything I discover. If only more Americans actually voted this way...


6 posted on 03/16/2009 9:27:25 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: ksgopconservative

THe one who will win. Duh.


7 posted on 03/16/2009 9:28:01 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: MplsSteve

bttt


8 posted on 03/16/2009 9:28:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: MplsSteve
The earmark fight is overblown.

“Earmark” simply means that a project will be funded out of MONEY ALREADY APPROPRIATED!

Now, if you could show that the beneficiary of the earmark did not want it or need it? Well THEN you have a story.

There is an argument to be made that the Federal Bureaucracy is so hard to fight, sometimes Congress needs to FORCE an issue or an item through, with the use of EARMARKS.

It seems odd to me that the Conservative movement, which was so disappointed at McCain getting the nomination, is fighting the ONLY issue that McCain seemed to think was important! (How did the “earmark” issue work for McCain?)

Again, at the Dole Convention in San Diego, I HEARD Moran use the “Wingers” insult against the conservatives who had just taken control of the State Party.

9 posted on 03/16/2009 9:29:23 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ksgopconservative
Meanwhile, the Democrats continue to struggle for a candidate.

Only because Sebelius hasn't announced yet.

10 posted on 03/16/2009 9:29:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: MplsSteve
Ditto! They are both compromisers, wanting to be moderate in their stances.

Immigration is a huge difference. Earmarks are an increasing “right’ of those in office. Another compromising point. There needs to be a moratorium for 3-5 years on earmarks. Seriously.

We must remake the Republican from within to really change the internal dealings they make to gain office.

11 posted on 03/16/2009 9:33:45 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: ksgopconservative
Wow... Tweedle Dum or Tweedle Dee...

Moran signed on to Heller, but Tiahrt's Amendment helped limit NICs and is a thorn for gun-grabbers. Both get A- ratings from the GOA.

At least both of them get that much right...

12 posted on 03/16/2009 9:36:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Te odeo, interfice te cochleare)
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To: Non-Sequitur
It would be insane for Sebelius to run for Senate, while also serving as HHS Secretary.
13 posted on 03/16/2009 9:40:05 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
It would be insane for Sebelius to run for Senate, while also serving as HHS Secretary.

She's never going to get a better chance.

14 posted on 03/16/2009 9:41:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: geologist

Human nature will not change.

The public opinions really will not change much.

If you want someone who thinks like you to win?

RUN YOURSELF!

Otherwise, politics is and always will be the art of compromise.


15 posted on 03/16/2009 9:41:42 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ksgopconservative
I support the “Dream Act”

Providing citizenship to someone who wants to EARN citizenship, through the military or hard work, seems perfectly OK to me, and most of the population as well, I would guess:

DREAM Act
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The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (also called “The DREAM Act”) was a piece of proposed federal legislation in the United States that would provide certain immigrant students who graduate from an American High School, are of good moral character, arrived in the US as children, and have been in the country continuously for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency. The students will obtain temporary residency for a lapse of six years. Within the six year period, a qualified student must attend college, and earn a two year degree, or serve in the military for two years in order to earn citizenship after the six years period. If student does not comply with either his/her college requirement or military service requirement, temporary residency will be taken away and student will be subjected to deportation.

Members of Congress have introduced several forms of this bill in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Members in the House have not brought the bill to a floor vote as a stand-alone bill; Senators debated a version of the DREAM Act S.2205 on October 24, 2007. The bill required 60 votes to gain cloture by a 52-44 vote, 8 votes short of overcoming a filibuster by senators opposed to the bill.[1]

16 posted on 03/16/2009 9:44:57 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Non-Sequitur
I can not stand Sebelius.
However, I do not underestimate her.

She took the HHS job BECAUSE she knows that mid-term elections, for a Democrat in Kansas, when a Democrat is in the White House -—

Don't go very well for Democrats!

(Especially a Dem who can NOT distance herself from OBAMA)

17 posted on 03/16/2009 9:49:33 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Moran’s comment about the “wingers” was not incorrect. There are people in both the Kansas GOP and the Minnesota GOP who are extraordinarily far out in right field.

They, like the Socialists using the Democrat party to gain power and influence, are using the GOP to gain power and influence. They are of the black helicopters and tinfoil hats crowd.

Even Rush Limbaugh (years ago in his TV show) elaborated on the differences between conservatives and “wingers” - and he was not particularly kind towards the latter.

John Mccain’s candidacy was not doomed because he was opposed to earmarks. It had suffered so much self-inflicted damage (from other policy stances) that earmarks were the least of his worries.

Also, we need to consider this....

Just because the money has been appropriated doesn’t mean we have to spend it!

Bills coming from Congress are so incredibly loaded with junk earmarks that are completely extraneous to the bill that they’re attached to. That kind of hooey needs to stop!


18 posted on 03/16/2009 9:53:13 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Kansas58
She took the HHS job BECAUSE she knows that mid-term elections, for a Democrat in Kansas, when a Democrat is in the White House -—

She took the HHS job because she doesn't want to be in Topeka for the next two state budgets. She'll run for the Senate in 2012. Mark my words.

19 posted on 03/16/2009 9:56:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Kansas58
Do we agree the level of compromise is our of control and now we have a mess?If Obama can win on change ... we better taut our change (a real one) AS WELL.

I AM TOO OLD to be a viable candidate; just to mention one major objection.

How about you? Want to run for office?

I digress ... People have changed, in how they think, and how they behave, choices they make. It can go the other way.

Compromising all standards ... where we are today ... does not have to be the way it is.

Only ... WHY NOT? as long as they (politicians) get away with it.

Corruption is UGLY! Marxism/Communism is worse.

20 posted on 03/16/2009 9:59:50 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Kansas58

Moran comes from Hays, the western Kansas liberal stronghold. Jerry didnt have balls enough to build a successful law practice there, so he ran for political office. His pretty wife Robba would make a far better decision maker than he, she is also an attorney. Jerry has to pander to the local libs to keep his reelection hopes high.

Tiahart would likely make a better choice. Moran has his eye on the Governors chair, remember that. He would be a better choice than a Democrat, but a good conservative would make the best choice.


21 posted on 03/16/2009 10:06:09 AM PDT by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: MplsSteve

Moran does not want the grass roots to be strong.

Moran wants to call the shots, and then go golf at the Country Club.

I am the person most responsible for recruiting the precinct people, or training others to recruit the precinct people, who kicked the George Tiller buddies OUT of the Kansas Republican Party in the precinct races.

Moran usually votes the right way, but Moran has always been allied with Mike Hayden, Bill Graves and the most obnoxious RINO wing in Kansas.

Moran gave his “leadership” vote to the libs and moderates, and they returned the favor by letting Moran vote the way he wanted to vote, on everything else.


22 posted on 03/16/2009 10:08:21 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ksgopconservative

Moran is an Obama suck up:

Moran: Obama “easier” to work with than Bush

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0209/Moran_Obama_easier_to_wrk_with_than_Bush.html


23 posted on 03/16/2009 12:29:33 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Kansas 58 - i totally disagree with you on the DREAM act. The DREAM act allows in-state tuition and amnesty for Illegal aliens. This is a terrible policy that rewards illegal immigration.

I don’t like the fact that Tiahrt supports the DREAM Act.


24 posted on 03/16/2009 12:36:40 PM PDT by ksgopconservative
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To: ksgopconservative

After 5 years in the country?
After proof that they were minors when they came here, and had no control over the situation?

Also, I strongly support the military service route, to Citizenship.

Have you ever looked at the Vietnam Memorial?

Notice all of the Hispanic names?


25 posted on 03/16/2009 12:38:27 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ksgopconservative; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; Norman Bates; ExTexasRedhead; ...

Todd Tiahrt, definitely. He’s one of our own.


26 posted on 03/16/2009 4:04:58 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Being condemned for corruption by Mexico is like being lectured on morals by the adult film industy)
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; Impy

“Todd Tiahrt, definitely. He’s one of our own.”


True, Tiahrt is a bit better on the issues than Moran, but we shouldn’t ignore the fact that Moran is one of the rare Kansas Republicans that (i) is solidly conservative on both economic and social issues and (ii) is not hated by the RINO wing of the party that so often has given the margin of victory to the RAT candidate. I’d much rather have Jerry Moran as the nominee with a 90% chance of winning the general than Todd Tiahrt as the nominee if he only has a 60% chance of winning (and if Sebelius or Dennis Moore runs, it may be lower than 60% for Tiahrt).

Please note that I am pointedly NOT choosing sides with the RINOs, nor giving in to RINO threats, as some conservatives have done in KS-03 races. If Moran was not a conservative, I wouldn’t think twice about supporting his conservative challenger and taking my chances in the general. But with Moran being a solid, albeit not perfect, conservative, I think I’d rather have Moran as our Senate nominee and have Tiahrt stay in the House.

(And, no, I don’t think that this is inconsistent with my support for Herman Cain over Johnny Isakson in the 2004 GA Senate race, since Isakson had a liberal position on a central part of the conservative message (the right to life) and since Cain’s general-election prospects were just as good as Isakson’s.)


27 posted on 03/16/2009 5:02:06 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; Impy

I’m very concerned myself if Tiahrt tried to get to the left of Moran on the illegals issue. That issue has real relevance with me. That alone would have me endorse Moran.


28 posted on 03/16/2009 6:27:01 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

You make a good point. One question:

Is Tiahrt better on the issues than Moran? Moran is against amnesty but Tiahrt is for amnesty because of the DREAM act, which is not conservative at all. And Tiahrt is going against the house conservatives who want to limit earmarks.

Moran also voted against NCLB and Medicare Part D. That is a big plus for me. Stopping big government before it starts.


29 posted on 03/16/2009 7:13:55 PM PDT by ksgopconservative
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

I remember Moran was gonna run for Governor in ‘02 with the support of both wings of the party which would have spared Kansas Ms. Gilligan but after 911 he decided to stay in Congress.

Doesn’t her joining Barry’s brigade mean she’s not running? And I think Moore already said he’s running for reelection.

Tihart is favorable to amnesty? This is the first I’ve heard of that.


30 posted on 03/16/2009 8:24:15 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy
Doesn’t her joining Barry’s brigade mean she’s not running?

If anything it's an indication she is. Being HHS secretary for a year or so will get her out of state for the next two budgetary train wrecks.

31 posted on 03/17/2009 5:39:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
I don't see how it is possible for Sebelius to run in 2010.
It just won't happen.

Further, it is wrong to state that the Dream Act is an “Amnesty Bill” as some have stated here.

I think that the conservative position is to stand against open borders and to demand that Citizenship is earned. A big part of the Dream Act is that is grants Citizenship based on military service. I think this is more than justified.

Also, those of you who have bashed Brownback, since Brownback has not spoken against Sebelius for HHS (I understand his position, Brownback wants Seb. OUT of Kansas, and Brownback wants the “moderate” and RINO vote)???

Anyway: Tiahrt just came out against the Sebelius HHS appointment! No, he does not have a vote on the matter, YET, but he is running for Senate.

Ask Moran how he would vote, would you? I can nearly guarantee that Moran would vote to confirm Sebelious!

Moran does not help build or grow the conservative movement.

Moran has fought the conservative take over of the Kansas Republican Party.

Moran was buddies with Bill Graves and Mike Hayden.

Moran is NOT “one of us” in any sense of the word!

32 posted on 03/17/2009 6:57:01 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Tiahrt supports the coal fired plant that Sebelius has fought and vetoed in the past:

http://www.topix.net/us-house/todd-tiahrt/2009/03/tiahrt-urges-lt-gov-parkinson-to-approve-holcomb-coal-plants


33 posted on 03/17/2009 7:07:16 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
http://www.kwch.com/global/story.asp?s=9997954

Tiahrt and Roberts are FIGHTING for Wichita.

Obama wants to put off the replacement of aging tanker aircraft.

Obama wastes money on roads to nowhere, while Tiahrt tries to promote manufacturing jobs.

Obama does not care about the safety of our troops, who are using very old equipment.

Tiahrt is fighting to modernize our fleet!

34 posted on 03/17/2009 7:15:34 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
I don't see how it is possible for Sebelius to run in 2010. It just won't happen.

I don't see how you don't see. Nothing prevents it and it makes perfect sense from Sebelius's point of view.

Ask Moran how he would vote, would you? I can nearly guarantee that Moran would vote to confirm Sebelious.

Just like you can nearly guarantee that Sebelius won't run? We'll see if you're right or not.

35 posted on 03/17/2009 7:25:16 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: staytrue

“Neither one. The republican party has been infected with rinos. It must die.”

Right. In a way both were lock stock and barrel with Bush until they saw the writing on the wall and then they opposed him.


36 posted on 06/27/2010 5:48:11 AM PDT by Mozilla
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