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Ill. Democrats step into GOP split over leadership
The Chicago Tribune ^ | May 7 2009 | Christofer Wills

Posted on 05/07/2009 8:08:54 AM PDT by chicagolady

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Party interests blurred and twisted at the state Capitol Wednesday as Democrats, led by a former Republican, teamed up with disgruntled GOP members to change the way they choose their leaders.

Top Republicans oppose the change, even threatening to sue over it.

What's at stake is whether rank-and-file Republicans will get to vote on who serves on the party's central committee, the governing board for the party in Illinois.

Right now, Republican leaders in wards, townships and precincts across the state choose the central committee. Some Republican activists say that system produces a central committee that's out of touch with voters.

They want to switch to the same system Democrats use, where one man and one woman in each congressional district is elected to serve on the central committee.

"One person, one vote is a tradition in this country, and that's all Republican voters are asking for," said Sen. Chris Lauzen, an Aurora Republican who, with help from Democrats, won senate approval for the legislation.

Most top Republicans hate the idea.

Opponents say Democrats support the measure just to punish Republicans for linking them to former Gov. Rod Blagojevich and point out their flip-flops on holding a special election to fill Barack Obama's Senate seat.

"We think it's a bit comical that instead of passing real reform in the past 100 days, they're playing around with party rules," said Andrew McKenna, chairman of the Illinois Republican Party.

The House Executive Committee approved the change Wednesday in a 7-4 party-line vote -- with Democrats supporting it and Republicans opposing it. The measure now goes to the House floor and, if it passes there, the governor's desk.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Illinois; State and Local
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There is a Battle, a Civil war raging in Illinois for the heart and soul of the Republican Party.
1 posted on 05/07/2009 8:08:54 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: TheRightGuy; spintreebob; PhilCollins; Impy; Condor51

The Republican Party in Illinois (RINO)s
want to silence our VETERANS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SXVONxmXVQ&feature=related

Say it aint so!!


2 posted on 05/07/2009 8:11:18 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady; spintreebob; BillyBoy; TheRightGuy

This news shows that Democrats care more about democratic elections, for Republicans, than republican leaders care about it.


3 posted on 05/07/2009 8:12:31 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

RINO ALERT!!!!!


4 posted on 05/07/2009 8:12:43 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

How can they do this?

Isn’t it up to the party to decide how it is done and if you don’t like it you form a new party?


5 posted on 05/07/2009 8:22:49 AM PDT by dila813
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To: chicagolady

March towards one party rule continues.


6 posted on 05/07/2009 8:23:21 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: chicagolady

Party rules should be left up to the party. But dang if the Illinois GOP isn’t completely out of touch with any GOP voter south or west of Joliet.


7 posted on 05/07/2009 8:44:37 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: chicagolady; TheRightGuy

They can’t silence me. In May 2005, I was in a press conference, in the Illinois Capitol, and I wore my navy uniform. Senators Lauzen and Brady and TheRightGuy explained SB 600, and I said that I had recently returned from Iraq, where I helped to spread democracy to the Middle East. I said that, when I returned to Illinois, I learned that Illinois republican voters have less democratic elections than many Iraqis.


8 posted on 05/07/2009 9:05:05 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: dila813

It’s too hard to form a new party. In Illinois, republican, democrat, and green party statewide candidates must submit at least 5,000 petition signatures, to ensure that their names will be on the ballot. Candidates of other parties must submit at least 25,000 signatures. The major parties want to ensure that no one else can oppose them.


9 posted on 05/07/2009 9:07:40 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I live about five miles north of Chicago, and about 2/3 of Republicans, I know, disagree with the GOP leaders, about this issue.


10 posted on 05/07/2009 9:08:53 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: PhilCollins

Didn’t say they were out of touch with voter in the Chicagoland area either, just virtually no one in the rural areas see eye to eye with the GOP leadership in the State on any issue.


11 posted on 05/07/2009 9:21:49 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: PhilCollins; TheRightGuy

One of the reasons the Dems take this position is that SB600 is led by Paul Froehlich, who was made personna non grata by Cross/Savianno specifically because he was the House sponsor of the bill when he was a Republican. Part of the switch to Dem by Paul might have been a promise by Madigan to support Paul’s pet legislation.

(Of course, the combine was bent on destroying Froehlich before SB600 because Froehlich opposed Kjellander as GOP National Committeeman.)


12 posted on 05/07/2009 11:11:10 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

In the rural areas the GOP is split. Many township and county employees and officials like their patronage and fear control by the grass roots will kill their own style of welfare. Just ask Randy Pollard.


13 posted on 05/07/2009 11:14:54 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob; PhilCollins; chicagolady
One of the reasons the Dems take this position is that SB600 is led by Paul Froehlich, who was made personna non grata by Cross/Savianno specifically because he was the House sponsor of the bill when he was a Republican. Part of the switch to Dem by Paul might have been a promise by Madigan to support Paul’s pet legislation.

(Of course, the combine was bent on destroying Froehlich before SB600 because Froehlich opposed Kjellander as GOP National Committeeman.)

Methinks the spintree is spinning a little revisionist history. I was pretty involved in SB600's first round trip and I don't recall Froehlich having much of anything to with it. Terry Parke (not Froehlich) signed on as the original house sponsor, Cross yanked it from him, and gave to Skippy with orders that it never see the light of day.

At the 2004 state convention Froehlich gave no visible support to the "Dump KJ" bunch led by the FTN, and why would the combine go after him anyway when he was already in their camp.

I think maybe you and Paul spent too much time sitting around the campfire with Victor Santana.

14 posted on 05/07/2009 11:45:26 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: PhilCollins

Not really. Selecting the party leaders from those elected to lower offices is how we elected senators until 1910. The founders would be hip with this form of indirect republicanism.

We had people complain that mccain got selected by non-republicans. opening up the party leader elections to primary voters runs that risk.

The Ill GOP is in such bad shape this cant hurt it too much, but dont assume this is a good change.
A better system would be to elect the precinct chairs and county chairs in primaries, and elect the state leaders at the state convention.
That is how the Texas GOP does it, and it works well.


15 posted on 05/07/2009 3:01:54 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: WOSG; PhilCollins

After seeing further comments, I realize that this kick in the pants is probably what the Illinois GOP needs, to shake the status quo. OTOH, I dont think its the right precedent to use for other states.


16 posted on 05/07/2009 3:04:31 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: BlackElk; Dr. Sivana

*ping*


17 posted on 05/07/2009 4:42:30 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: TheRightGuy

After Terry Parke lost to Crespo, Froehlich took the lead on SB600. The simple fact is that Froehlich’s anti-cobine position (of which SB600 was just part) made Froehlich anethema to Cross/Savianno/etal.


18 posted on 05/08/2009 6:08:04 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob; chicagolady

When will the full house vote on it?


19 posted on 05/08/2009 7:15:42 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: chicagolady
Civil war raging in Illinois for the heart and soul of the Republican Party.

We in IL have a Republican Party? Who knew?

Seriously though the "Central Committee" needs to be cleaned out top to bottom and the current members jailed on general principle alone.

L

20 posted on 05/08/2009 7:18:19 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: PhilCollins; TheRightGuy; chicagolady

Dem Madigan may see SB600 that shifts power from GOP combine to GOP voters it just as a bargaining chip.

To the GOP combine/Cross/Savianno it must be stopped.

So what if Madigan tells Cross/Savianno

“Make my tax hike bi-partisan so it can’t be used against Lisa and this thing you hate even more than a tax hike will never come to a vote.”

Is that the way the game is played?


21 posted on 05/11/2009 10:58:30 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Lurker; chicagolady

I agree that the IL GOP SCC needs to be cleaned out. We need to ensure that one conservative runs, in each district. In 2006, in my district (10th), there were two conservative candidates (Ray True and Ruth O’Connell) and a RINO, Tolbert Chisum. The conservative vote split, helping the RINO win.


22 posted on 05/11/2009 11:27:54 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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