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Conservatives: Would you vote for this man for President?

Posted on 05/14/2009 7:54:47 AM PDT by MadIsh32

Here goes: This presidential candidate talks pro-life, but has a mixed record on abortion, including passing legislation as governor removing restrictions on abortion. In addition, the person he wants as VP is outspoken in his support of pro-choice, warning against candidates who would throw women back into back alley clinics. He talks about Christian faith, but also openly admits he very rarely goes to church. He has been a supporter of 2nd amendment rights, but also openly endorsed the Brady Bill. He wants to balance the budget partly by tax cuts, but mostly by cutting spending back to around 19% OF GDP (roughly what it was back in the 60s). He also wants a committee to oversee and review gov't regulations, and either repeal, scale back, or allow regulations based on cost benefit analyses.


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; State and Local; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: abortion; georgehwbush; president; revisionisthistory; ronaldreagan; vanity; vote
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1 posted on 05/14/2009 7:54:47 AM PDT by MadIsh32
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To: MadIsh32

No.


2 posted on 05/14/2009 7:56:24 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: MadIsh32

is it Reagan?


3 posted on 05/14/2009 7:57:39 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: MadIsh32
A candidate for president in 2012 has already chosen his VP? :)
4 posted on 05/14/2009 7:58:40 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ilgipper

I believe it is Reagan.


5 posted on 05/14/2009 7:59:43 AM PDT by squidly
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To: ilgipper

That’s what I was thinking. But I stand by my “no” based on the little info that was given. With Reagan there was an ocean of other information and the context of the times are different.


6 posted on 05/14/2009 7:59:58 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: MadIsh32

I’d have to know the whole story on these issues this nameless man supports. For instance, governors sign lots of things they disagree with simply because the legislature produces a veto proof majority.


7 posted on 05/14/2009 8:00:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: MadIsh32

I voted for this guy twice. You left out his love of American greatness, his ability to articulate American values and his hatred of totalitarianism. I wish there was someone like that we could vote for.


8 posted on 05/14/2009 8:00:18 AM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: ilgipper; squidly

Lets not spoil the surprise


9 posted on 05/14/2009 8:00:30 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: ilgipper

Of course it’s Reagan.


10 posted on 05/14/2009 8:01:03 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Partial-birth abortions are state sanctioned torture/murder.)
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To: MadIsh32
He has been a supporter of 2nd amendment rights, but also openly endorsed the Brady Bill.

The Brady Bill of course wasn't an issue during Reagan's first run in 1980. And the fact that he supported Sarah Brady after the terrible pain and suffering her husband suffered while in service too Reagan is understandable.

11 posted on 05/14/2009 8:01:58 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: MadIsh32

A candidate in 1980 is much different than a candidate in 2012.


12 posted on 05/14/2009 8:02:23 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: MadIsh32
Whats the catch?
As written, no I would not vote for that person. To many things I am against. I am sure there is more to the story we are missing here. I would be a fool to vote someone for POTUS with so little facts.
13 posted on 05/14/2009 8:02:44 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: squidly

I’ve told people that the only time I ever voted FOR a presidential candidate (as opposed to “against” his opponent) was Reagan, in the 2000 election.

If you get my drift.


14 posted on 05/14/2009 8:02:44 AM PDT by RobRoy (I'm wearing a cast on one hand. My spelling and clarity may not be up to par right now.)
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To: ilgipper

Of course it’s Reagan. Liberal Republicans love to distort his record to prop up their ‘moderate’ favorites.


15 posted on 05/14/2009 8:03:09 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: MadIsh32

I think you’d have to tell us who it is first, so that we could examine your statements of this candidate’s attributes.


16 posted on 05/14/2009 8:03:43 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: Patrick1
Liz Cheney

Sarah Palin

Just to name two.

17 posted on 05/14/2009 8:04:12 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: MadIsh32

You just described Ronald Regan. BUT you imply by your snarky style that Regan was STILL in favor of abortion when he ran for president. He most definitely was NOT. Moreover, he was espusing conservative principles of smaller government and lower taxes to go along with a beefed up military. That was enough for me.

Voted for Regan not Bush


18 posted on 05/14/2009 8:04:33 AM PDT by the long march
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To: MadIsh32

Ronald Reagan was a regular churchgoer all his life before entering the White House.


19 posted on 05/14/2009 8:04:36 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: MadIsh32

What’s the point of this thread?


20 posted on 05/14/2009 8:05:54 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DYngbld

Of course there is a catch to all of this. That would take the fun out of it

This is just a simple statement of selected facts about a candidate. Clearly not an overall picture, but all factually correct


21 posted on 05/14/2009 8:06:18 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: MadIsh32

Couldn’t have been Reagan - Reagan and James Brady were shot at the same time, and anything after that would not have been “voted on” by President Reagan. Brady Bill did not pass into law until 1993


22 posted on 05/14/2009 8:06:27 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: MadIsh32

It is a flawed argument. before Reagan, the recent ‘Conservative’ presidential standards we had to compare it to where Nixon and Ford, which, by comparison, was a drastic shift to the right. Now we have Reagan as a standard to compare Conservative presidents to, so we build on that.


23 posted on 05/14/2009 8:06:30 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: the long march

Agree that Reagan was never in favor of abortion. He had statements saying that which are quite easy to dig up

HOWEVER, despite that his record in CA did show some wiggle room on the issue


24 posted on 05/14/2009 8:07:15 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: Pistolshot

Cheney isn’t going to run and I will have to wait and see on Palin’s ability to overcome the liberal media onslaught that is trying to make her into Dan Quayle. Reagan destroyed the liberal media, the same will be required of Palin, I hope you are right.


25 posted on 05/14/2009 8:07:53 AM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: trisham
What’s the point of this thread?

I'm guessing its a means of opening a conversation on the great merits of "moderates" but the poster didn't count on questions.
26 posted on 05/14/2009 8:08:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: trisham

To see if our greatest President in our lifetime would be subject to and fail the litmus tests we give candidates today

My reaction when I first saw this was the gun legislation would worry me a bit, but the spending plan I liked. Spending is more important to me then 2A issues


27 posted on 05/14/2009 8:08:26 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: cripplecreek

Why do I smell a Romney plug coming?


28 posted on 05/14/2009 8:08:38 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I was thinking the same thing.


29 posted on 05/14/2009 8:09:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

If he was running against a guy named Carter or Mondale, then Yes, I’d crawl over broken glass to vote for him.


30 posted on 05/14/2009 8:09:44 AM PDT by proudpapa (Obama - Worst One Ever!)
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To: MadIsh32

Who’s he running against?

- JP


31 posted on 05/14/2009 8:09:45 AM PDT by Josh Painter ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: cripplecreek

Not the great “merits” of moderates

Believe me, I despise “moderates” When you have moderates you end up with fiscal moderates more then social moderates

However, I just think we need to re-evaluate where we put our litmus tests. Clearly its not on spending/economic issues or else W never would have been our nominee (compassionate conservatism was a red flag for me)


32 posted on 05/14/2009 8:10:44 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: MadIsh32

You left out union member that took on the very powerful communist faction with in his own guild, of which he was elected President.

Also he volunteered and started officer training around 1936.

He also, later in his career, in as much as he saw it, fought, hard, for what he believed in.

None of which applies to Mitt Romney who never served, wouldn’t even go on a limb to fight for a Republican county judge, and doesn’t seem to believe in anything except expediency and checkbooks.


33 posted on 05/14/2009 8:11:36 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: mnehring

Eww, gag.

For the record my 2 guys right now for 2012 are Sanford or Gary Johnson

More so with Sanford as there are some items that Gary Johnson is in support of which are unrealistic


34 posted on 05/14/2009 8:11:36 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: MadIsh32

This crystal ball stuff.....Presdential considerations are 3 yrs in the future and no one is in the field.......Today....We have the 2010 congressionals on the immediate horizon.


35 posted on 05/14/2009 8:11:42 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: Leisler

How on earth are people concluding I am a Romney supporter?


36 posted on 05/14/2009 8:12:08 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: proudpapa

Or Obama.


37 posted on 05/14/2009 8:12:16 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Patrick1
This Cheney has what it takes.


38 posted on 05/14/2009 8:13:21 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: MadIsh32
"...This presidential candidate talks pro-life, but has a mixed record on abortion, including passing legislation as governor removing restrictions on abortion. In addition, the person he wants as VP is outspoken in his support of pro-choice, warning against candidates who would throw women back into back alley clinics..."

I know in my heart and soul that abortion is murder, but as long as the overwhelming preponderance of those having abortions are leftists/liberals/Democrats, or their surrogates/constituents, and my other issues are adequately supported, it's one compromise I'll reluctantly make when I vote. They'll eventually abort themselves out of existence.

(Flame-war begins in 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.... )

39 posted on 05/14/2009 8:14:34 AM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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•you mean.. -A man whohas a “reverend and mentor” who GD’s America...
- A wife who has never been “proud” of America...
- A man who runs on transparency – then seals his college records - to prove it...
- A man who claims citizenship – then hires a team of lawyers - to secure it...
- A man who would attempt to destroy another life – simply for asking a question he should have answered...
- A man who campaigns on eight years of runaway spending and a deficit – then quadruples it in less than 100 days...
- A man who bans lobbyist – then attempts to hire one...
- A man who condemns cheats and dishonesty – then appoints one to run the treasury...
- A man who vows to find all of the tax cheats in this country – but fails to turn around and confront one...
- A man who has never held a job – but the most important one in the world...
- A man who feels hard work should pay – for those who choose not to work…
- A man who’s ability to speak – is dictated by his ability to read….
- A man who feels government can solve the problems it faces – while addressing everything but the problems it created…
- A man who signs a contract – but does not read it....
- A man who runs a government – the opposite way he runs his home…
- A man who preaches “equality for all” – then targets 5% unequally...
- A man who pledges to reduce the tax for 95% - then raises them for 100%...
- A man who feels all have the right to own a home – even if they can not pay for it….
- A man who speaks of responsible behavior – then throws a party every Wednesday night....
- A man who tells me to show fiscal responsibility – then borrows and spends money he doesn’t have....
- A man who loans my money to a bank – then refuses to allow that bank to repay me my money....
- A man who loans my money to a car company – then gives majority ownership to the autoworkers union who bankrupted it...
- A man who supports failure “in” this country – while promoting failure “of” this country...
- A man who speaks of practical solutions – using impractical methods…
- A man who shows me nothing for my money that he spent – and tells me it’s “my patriotic duty” to give him more...
- A man who has never run a business – but would like to tell me how to run mine...
- A man who would operates the highest office in the land – similar to the way the mafia operates the lowest...
- A man who pledges allegiance to the constitution – then null and voids a perfectly legal contract protected by it...
- A man who follows the belief that upholding the immigration laws of America – is unpatriotic and un-American...
- A man who turns his back on this countries friends – while embracing this countries sworn enemies...
- A man who is willing to provided for those who attacked this country – while degrading those trying to defend it...
- A man who would even think of not providing for this countries fallen – after his order fell them...
- A man who “voices” free choice – then systematically seeks to silence the voiceless...
- A man who pleads for Gods blessing of America – then destroys the greatest gift ever given to it....

Are you talking about THAT man?????

40 posted on 05/14/2009 8:15:44 AM PDT by China Clipper (My favorite animals usually are found next to the rice on my plate.)
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To: MadIsh32
To see if our greatest President in our lifetime would be subject to and fail the litmus tests we give candidates today

My reaction when I first saw this was the gun legislation would worry me a bit, but the spending plan I liked. Spending is more important to me then 2A issues

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Fair enough. Unfortunately, without the Second Amendment we are not assured of any other rights. This may be more true today that at any time in our history, with the exception of our country's early years.

41 posted on 05/14/2009 8:15:59 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

Interesting comment

I am pretty much the same way (and I pray daily for my soul because of this)

I am just wondering how the litmus tests of today would line up in 1980. A good thinking exercise


42 posted on 05/14/2009 8:16:33 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: MadIsh32

Silly word game. This makes is sound like Reagan just couldnt WAIT to bring Bush onto his team. Thats a less than honest telling of the tale. And “partly by tax cuts”, when Reagans tax rate cuts were historic in size. And Brady? Are you kidding? Of course he signed it, his press secretary was sitting there brain damaged. And the original version didnt allow record keeping,,etc.

To say that we can trust a romneybot, etc because it seems like Reagan is silly. I owned a ford escort once and also a BMW318. Both were 2 door, 4 cylinder, 4 speed manuals. On paper, same,,,on the mountain road, not.

We knew Reagan VERY well by the time he ran. He was FAR more philosophically than the mere sum of this silly list.


43 posted on 05/14/2009 8:16:37 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Patrick1

Plus, he rarely went to church while in office out of respect to other parishoners & anti-abortion was his final stance


44 posted on 05/14/2009 8:16:37 AM PDT by fml
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To: MadIsh32

Gary Johnson has less of a chance than Dame Edna of even getting past the first round in the primaries. He wasn’t bad as Governor of NM, but since leaving, he has gone off the conspiracy deep end. Not to mention that he divorced his wife while she was dying. He is also way to OCD on the War on Drugs issue, that, along with his Trilateral commission conspiracies make him far too off the deep end for most of the public to swallow.


45 posted on 05/14/2009 8:16:38 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: trisham

The 2A part is what gave me pause with this generic candidate.

I am very big on the 2A and agree with you, that without it our rights have no teeth


46 posted on 05/14/2009 8:17:53 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: MadIsh32

Kneejerk on my part. I’ve just had what you did, ginned up by Romney supporters.

No offense. Anyways, who is it you are posting of?


47 posted on 05/14/2009 8:17:58 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: MadIsh32

It is just a common argument starter that Romney supporters use..


48 posted on 05/14/2009 8:18:08 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: MadIsh32

Reagan was president during the cold war, he also took over during the Iranian hostage crisis. He articulated a clear stance of strength in contrast to jimmy Carter’s ineptitude in dealing with the Iranian hostage situation.

In fact, he was so clear about what he would do that the Iranians sent the hostages home on the day of Reagan’s inaugaration.

Also, Carter’s answer to high energy prices was to wear a sweater and encourage other people to do the same.

This was the world in which Reagan was elected.


49 posted on 05/14/2009 8:18:14 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: DesertRhino

Again, please prove in any way that I supported Romney or stop with the accusation. it is a distraction to the thread


50 posted on 05/14/2009 8:19:03 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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