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Gary Johnson 2012?
Gary Johnson ^ | 29th August | Johnson2012

Posted on 08/28/2009 7:22:31 PM PDT by freepersunite

From January 1995 to December 2002, Gary Johnson served as the Governor of the State of New Mexico, and was the first governor in the history of New Mexico to be elected for two consecutive four year terms. He was ranked among the nation's seven top governors in each of the Cato Institute's fiscal report cards between 1996 and 2002. Under Gov. Johnson's administration, New Mexico experienced the longest period without a tax increase in the state's history, the rate of growth in the state government was cut in half, half of the state's prisons were privatized, state Medicaid was shifted to managed care, and the state was left with approximately one thousand fewer employees (with no firings) and a budget surplus. Gov. Johnson vetoed 750 bills (which was more than all the vetoes of the other 49 Governors in the country at that time, combined), which earned him the nickname Gary "Veto" Johnson.

Gov. Johnson is not only a conservative but he has a proven track record during his two terms in New Mexico of SHRINKING government, cutting budgets, reforming healthcare, introducing a voucher system for schools.

Sounds like a perfect candidate in 2012...

what say you, freepers?

There's a few issues like he says he is personally pro-choice but was endorsed by the right to life committee for his bans on partial-birth abortion and Medicaid-funded abortion which means he supports States on abortion.

He is also a Ron Paul fan and the only GOP Governor not to endorse George W. Bush which made him an outcast with the Establishment. I dont see that as a bad thing and would help him in an election against Obama. He's also libertarian on drugs, again though this isn't an issue as he would be support States rights.

SO on the balance I don't see how he isn't a bad candidate, much more appealing than Palin to a general electorate too and from his time in New Mexico shows he can win big in Democrat areas which will need to be cracked to take the Presidency off Obama and his organizing zombie like drones, no way would Palin do that.

He really does have a great record if you can see past his potential faults.


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KEYWORDS: 2012; garyjohnson; johnson; johnson2012; lping; newmexico
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To: jwalsh07

Paul, like Johnson, took a states rights position on abortion. Frankly, I don’t much of a difference from a policy standpoint.


51 posted on 08/28/2009 8:53:50 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

We don’t make it because it isn’t true. There was the attack on the USS Cole and the African Embassies. America was attacked four times under Clinton with a Ron Paul, Gary Johnson kind of response leading to the attacks on 9/11.


52 posted on 08/28/2009 8:54:41 PM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: freepersunite

He’s against the failed drug war? The drug warriors won’t like that.


53 posted on 08/28/2009 8:55:00 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Longhair_and_Leather; freepersunite; KevinDavis

I second that “BYE”.

If he is too stupid to be Pro-Choice, then he isn’t smart enough, or moral enough to be President


54 posted on 08/28/2009 8:56:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: freepersunite

“...I believe in a woman’s ‘right to choose...’”

Pro-Abotion...

Candidacy DOA.

If the Republican’s screw up SO bad as to choose someone like this, they will forfeit any chance of regaining power...


55 posted on 08/28/2009 8:58:48 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: Captain Kirk

I don’t really mind Palin. If she were the nominee, I’d support her fully. However, she needs to get on the ball. Letting some idiot megachurch in Anchorage push her around in public over stupid scheduling games indicates to me that she does not have the bare knuckles instincts she will need to defeat the democraps. When the sleazy left (or the sleazy right for that matter) attacks you, you have to knock their teeth out immediately and kick them in the jimmy; not just curl up into a ball and pretend they’re not there.


56 posted on 08/28/2009 8:59:37 PM PDT by Mr. Rabbit (Health care is NOT a right - It's an individual's personal responsibility.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Paul, like Johnson, took a states rights position on abortion. Frankly, I don’t much of a difference from a policy standpoint.

Nonsense, Paul is pro life, Johnson is pro choice or more correctly pro abortion. State powers have nothing to do with his philosophy that it is OK to aggress on the weakest amongst us.

In all honesty "pro choice" liberatrians make me wanna hurl, the hypocrisy is too much even for my strong stomach.

57 posted on 08/28/2009 9:01:25 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (CommieCare: Need a Stent, Take a Red Pill. Next!)
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To: patriot preacher

Don’t worry he has no chance of being elected to anything. This is just the kool-aid hour. We can add Gary Johnson to the list along with Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter and Alan Keyes of those people around here for reasons I can’t quite get consider serious statesmen.


58 posted on 08/28/2009 9:01:30 PM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: Patrick1
We don’t make it because it isn’t true. There was the attack on the USS Cole and the African Embassies. America was attacked four times under Clinton with a Ron Paul.

Nice try. If that is your standard, "American was attacked" not just four but thousands of times under Bush. Three thousand Americans died in Iraq and Afghanistan during Bush's term and BOTH U.S. embassies were attacked in those countries. The issue is DOMESTIC attacks and both presidents had an equal number of those (Clinton's in 1993 and Bush's in 2001).

59 posted on 08/28/2009 9:01:31 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: jwalsh07

You are not aware of Paul’s position. He is pro-life but would allow the states to legalize abortion if they so choose, hence Paul opposes a Human Life Amendment. Johsnon is pro-choice but would allow them to make it illegal if they so choose. A small difference in terms of policy.


60 posted on 08/28/2009 9:03:29 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Attacking an embassy is a domestic attack. Jeez..libertarians.
61 posted on 08/28/2009 9:08:57 PM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: Mr. Rabbit

I really have doubts as to whether he’s all that gung ho for 2012. I know he has said in the past he might be interested, but he seems to be having way too much fun just having fun ~ mountain climbing all over the world and lots of other very physical pursuits. I think he’s enjoying retirement but I could be wrong.


62 posted on 08/28/2009 9:11:16 PM PDT by leapfrog0202
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To: Patrick1
Attacking an embassy is a domestic attack. Jeez..libertarians.

Yes, and as I said in my post, BOTH embassies were attacked in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush, hence you are hoist by your own petard.

63 posted on 08/28/2009 9:11:34 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Patrick1

Unfortunatly, and realistically, I’m pretty sure Bob Dole II (most likely Romney) will emerge from the RINOpublican primaries to give us 4 more years of Obumbles.


64 posted on 08/28/2009 9:15:34 PM PDT by Mr. Rabbit (Health care is NOT a right - It's an individual's personal responsibility.)
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To: Captain Kirk; jwalsh07
You are not aware of Paul’s position. He is pro-life but would allow the states to legalize abortion if they so choose, hence Paul opposes a Human Life Amendment. Johsnon is pro-choice but would allow them to make it illegal if they so choose. A small difference in terms of policy.

And both equate to Murder since every child is a human being from the point of conception.

Those who support abortion, in any form or any degree, lack the necessary morality to be leaders.
65 posted on 08/28/2009 9:16:15 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Longhair_and_Leather
how does he get reelected

By the fact that, despite the perfect thing to rally against, the Conservative movement still cannot come together and agree. Johnson is out there and, at this very moment, doesn't have the 'star power' to win. However, a well oiled campaign machine could change that fairly easily. The only thing necessary is for Conservatives to realize they must unite, or face losing to the messiah in 2012. IMHO.

66 posted on 08/28/2009 9:16:16 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: leapfrog0202
I really have doubts as to whether he’s all that gung ho for 2012. I know he has said in the past he might be interested, but he seems to be having way too much fun just having fun ~ mountain climbing all over the world and lots of other very physical pursuits. I think he’s enjoying retirement but I could be wrong.

That's the problem. The potentially GOOD candidates have lives outside of politics.
67 posted on 08/28/2009 9:19:11 PM PDT by Mr. Rabbit (Health care is NOT a right - It's an individual's personal responsibility.)
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To: SoConPubbie

If it is murder, should the woman who has an abortion be given the death penalty?


68 posted on 08/28/2009 9:21:35 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: bamahead

Libertarian ping


69 posted on 08/28/2009 9:48:42 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: freepersunite

No.


70 posted on 08/29/2009 12:45:04 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: SoConPubbie
If he is too stupid to be Pro-Choice, then he isn’t smart enough, or moral enough to be President

I'm gonna quote you on that.

71 posted on 08/29/2009 1:43:59 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: freepersunite; pissant

Why support a pro-abortion RINO?

Hunter/Palin 2012!


72 posted on 08/29/2009 1:52:36 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: freepersunite

Pot users belong in prison not the white house!


73 posted on 08/29/2009 2:00:36 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: freepersunite

just sign up here to push your druggie?


74 posted on 08/29/2009 2:02:42 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Captain Kirk

and didn’t Johnson practice what he preached as a State governor? he was endorsed by right to life for using his powers to restrict abortions


75 posted on 08/29/2009 4:13:05 AM PDT by freepersunite
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To: SoConPubbie

but big government proponents who expand the state and bankrupt the nation are fine.


76 posted on 08/29/2009 4:14:41 AM PDT by freepersunite
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To: freepersunite
I strongly approve of Gary Johnson, but what makes you say this?

Johnson can beat Obama in Democrat state

77 posted on 08/29/2009 4:18:25 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: freepersunite
he says he is personally pro-choice

So, what, he's willing to tear the babies apart limb from limb himself?

78 posted on 08/29/2009 4:25:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have freedom. You can have socialism. But you can't have both! www.AIPNEWS.com)
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To: Patrick1

He was the Governor of New Mexico for 8 years. 8 years without a tax increase. 1000 fewer employees in NM state government at the end of his term. He has started and run his own business and grew it to a thousand employees.

Ron Paul Rally For The Republic Gary Johnson Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2EhAVQS2V8


79 posted on 08/29/2009 4:29:53 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: dalereed
Pot users belong in prison not the white house!

How many thousands of prisons will that take and where are you going to find the money to build them?

80 posted on 08/29/2009 4:33:57 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: listenhillary

he won two terms in a democrat state, ergo democrats liked him and voted for him


81 posted on 08/29/2009 4:52:49 AM PDT by freepersunite
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To: listenhillary

Tent compounds in the Mojave desert and make them grow their own food.

Make it miserable enough, like 2 years for a 1st offense, and the criminal element would be greatly reduced in a short period of time.

There would always be a few like a cousin of mine that except for my aunt blowing a fortune on lawyers would be doing 25 to life where he belongs.


82 posted on 08/29/2009 5:42:14 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: freepersunite
Johnson bringing troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq will save the US trillions from the rapidly rising defici

No, it will not. If you want to pimp your candidate try real hard to be factual instead of demagogic. That you made the statement above indicates you have no knowledge at all of the facts and instead are mindlessly regurgitating the latest Libertine talking points.

Freepers will listen to sane rational debate, we don't want to hear the same sort of hyper hysteric demagoguery the Left routinely engages in from people, supposedly, on our side.

This is where you Libertines continually fail. You simply cannot make a sane rational argument instead you use the same debate tactics of the Leftists. You use the same hyper emotive, factually ignorant demagoguery in place of sane rational debate of facts.

83 posted on 08/29/2009 5:47:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (To all the senior citizens that voted for Hope and Change - heres yours-mom4melody)
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To: MNJohnnie

the Left are in power (all branches of government) and expanding the war and war funding

so neocon Freepers support Obama and the dumbocrats because they will keep their precious war on the road but they won’t support a candidate who pledges to end them and sort out the mess in Washington.

to neocon freepers the war is the #1 ISSUE nevermind unemployment, the economy, the deficit, an expansionist government, healthcare takeover (started in Bush). it’s just WAR WAR WAR that matters


84 posted on 08/29/2009 5:50:16 AM PDT by freepersunite
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To: freepersunite
Cutting all spending on Iraq and Afghanistan combined would take 10 years to equal a single Trillion. It is extremely intellectually dishonest to lump together all defense spending as "Spending on Iraq and Afghanistan".

FACTS matter, the FACT that you are so willing to simply IGNORE the facts to scream slogans about "Saving trillions" indicates you have utterly NO intellectual credibility and are merely a mindless propaganda bot.

85 posted on 08/29/2009 5:58:06 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (To all the senior citizens that voted for Hope and Change - heres yours-mom4melody)
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To: MNJohnnie

I dont know the exact figures but its a good start is it not. wars are expensive and the Dems are expanding the afghan effort, no one has ever conqeured that land and how many years ago was it when Bush declared ‘mission accomplished’ in Iraq? how much has been spent since then?


86 posted on 08/29/2009 6:02:37 AM PDT by freepersunite
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To: freepersunite
Actually learn the facts and try again. Merely mindlessly re-posting your fraudulent talking points over and over does NOT magically change your propaganda to fact. Your mistake is you look at all the spending in the bills and assume it is for Iraq and Afganistan. NO it is not.

In fact, if you really want your guy to be taken seriously, have him come out and make priority one of his campaign forcing Congress to restrict appropriations bills to a single topic, not using defense bills as a dump basin for all spending wishes they have that they cannot get enough votes to get passed by the normal legislative process./p> Many state legislatures operate under this rule and it works just fine.

87 posted on 08/29/2009 6:16:25 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (To all the senior citizens that voted for Hope and Change - heres yours-mom4melody)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
(View past Libertarian pings here)
88 posted on 08/29/2009 8:01:47 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: freepersunite
so neocon Freepers support Obama and the dumbocrats because they will keep their precious war on the road but they won’t support a candidate who pledges to end them and sort out the mess in Washington.

Ironic isn't it? Obama's closest allies on foreign policy include assorted birthers and other folks who bash him (properly) for expanding government in other contexts.

89 posted on 08/29/2009 11:25:46 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Grizzled Bear

Hunter supported No Child Left Behind and the prescription drugs boondogle. He’s also a shameless promoter of pork barrel spending.


90 posted on 08/29/2009 11:27:33 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: All

Sorry I had to rant a bit here.

To those against Johnson for being pro-life. 12 Years of Bushes in the 90’s and 2000-2008. What was accomplished on the federal level again?

To those against Johnson for being for legalization of pot. 80 years of fighting the evil weed. Are we any closer to being rid of it or have we just made it more profitable of a crop?

I admit I am concerned about his ability to protect our oil supply via the US military. Do we really need soldiers in 150 different countries? We have been fighting the good fight against butt heads like Chavez and other totalitarian, authoritarian regimes. Hell we elected Chavez’s brother/mentor to lead out country. What is left to fight for if we elect the worst frkken Marxist we’ve ever seen as POTUS?

What do we get for projecting our might around the world? A relentless stream of hate, and wealth envy for the most part. Very few countries appreciate what we have done to promote a stable and prosperous world economy. We are now about to bring the world economy to a tremendous crash due to our voting in arsehole socialist Republicans and Democrats who think that we can run deficits to infinity and everything will be just peachy.

I’m not seeing Republicans that are saying the right things. They seem to be saying “elect us and we’ll slow the train down” It’s still going in the same direction, just slower.

It is not going to be pretty to clean up the mess we have left for our children. It is going to be the biggest challenge we have ever attempted. We are talking massive removal of the Statists that are our representatives. Massive cuts in government are needed and people are going to have a fit.

We are spoiled children used to getting our way. I can here some of you saying “By god we paid that money into SS and by god were going to get it back or we’re going to stretch some necks.”

Let ME tell it to you. YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMED. YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GET THE MONEY BACK. When we have promised to pay close to 100 trillion dollars with Medicare, Medicaid, SS federal state and local pensions for government workers, something is going to have to give. There isn’t enough wealth to tax to make up this shortfall even at 100% confiscation. It isn’t there. You have been lied to and sold into slavery to the state.

Wake up and help turn the barsturds out of office. We need someone that will tell it like it is. See any Republicans willing to do this? Or should we elect another middle of the road Republican that will lie to the American people and tell them what they want to hear so as to get elected?


91 posted on 08/29/2009 1:33:36 PM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: liberlog
“He’s also a libertarian on drugs”. Umm, you might want to rephrase that. I mean, I’ve known a lot of libertarians on drugs and I wouldn’t vote for any of them for President.

LOL!! Like the elephant Groucho saw in his pajamas. "How he got in my pajamas I'll never know."

92 posted on 08/29/2009 1:45:59 PM PDT by FreeKeys ("Will the statue [of Al Gore] depict him with his head up his ass?"Neal Boortz at http://tinyurl.com)
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To: listenhillary

Well said.


93 posted on 08/29/2009 1:56:45 PM PDT by FreeKeys (eco-freaks make great bio-fuel)
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To: freepersunite
If the messiah has to run against Palin or Romney, the swing voters will stick with Obama no matter how BAD he is he would win by default imo

They said Reagan was too conservative. Obama is already tanking with independents.

94 posted on 08/29/2009 3:48:44 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: freepersunite

From what I’ve read about him, I would support him above everyone else in the field.


95 posted on 08/29/2009 3:50:23 PM PDT by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: SoConPubbie

the biggest irony is that big government conservatives sucked so much and were so obsessed with wars etc they delivered the Dems their congressional majorities and now they’re going to use them to establish state sponsored abortions


96 posted on 08/30/2009 1:07:55 PM PDT by freepersunite
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To: freepersunite
the biggest irony is that big government conservatives sucked so much and were so obsessed with wars etc they delivered the Dems their congressional majorities and now they’re going to use them to establish state sponsored abortions

In some ways it isn't an irony. Those neo-cons who put their first priority on more overseas meddling (don't all of them?) actually got their way because of the election of Obama. He is turning out to be MORE pro-war than Bush and, unlike Bush, Obama can count on almost unquestioning support from the party across the aisle when it comes foreign policy.

97 posted on 08/30/2009 1:12:10 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
If it is murder, should the woman who has an abortion be given the death penalty?

Yes.
98 posted on 08/30/2009 1:47:09 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: MARTIAL MONK
I'm gonna quote you on that.

Fine by me, go right ahead.
99 posted on 08/30/2009 1:47:58 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: freepersunite
but big government proponents who expand the state and bankrupt the nation are fine.

Really, why would you say that?

Seems you are stuck on a perception that those who want to protect Human Life, irrespective of political philosophy, are necessarily so-called Big-Government conservatives.

You'd be surprise how many conservatives their are that actually hold to their morality and actually understand that the Constitution, in order to be followed, requires a limited-government approach.
100 posted on 08/30/2009 1:50:38 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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