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Was Reagan a RINO?
TheRightWay1776

Posted on 02/11/2010 10:46:32 AM PST by The Right Way 1776

So I was thinking recently about the RINOs infesting the GOP and it hit me that -despite being one of the greatest presidents in the 20th century- there are certain elements during Reagan's terms that might make him a RINO.

Make no mistake though, these are just that: ELEMENTS, the majority of his accomplishments were grand.

Illegal Mexican Immigrants

One of Reagan's downfalls was not clamping down on illegal immigration. It's exemplified in the Immigration Reform and Control Act which gave Amnesty for illegals instead of trying to deport them. The act also followed on the leftist premise of a "pathway towards legalization" for certain illegals.

States' rights

One of the unfortunate results of the liberals in congress was the passage of the federal minimum drinking age, which effectively destroyed any notion of States' rights. Instead of vetoing the legislation, Reagan took it upon himself to vote FOR it.

Market protectionism

Despite freeing buisness from the grip of Carter's disaster liberalism (aka Keyensianism) there are certain protectionist measures Reagan took that go against any kind of notion of free market responsibility.

In 1981 the White house put a "voluntary" export restraint on Japanese cars, limiting the number that could be imported into America. Other then distorting the free market, it rewarded the Big three car companies for not being competitive enough and essentially acted like a bailout.

Conclusions

Nothing compares to the wonders Reagan achieved during his presidency but we have to be vigilant on some of the bad spots too.

In all if we let one of our best presidents get away with bad policies we'll be blindsided when the next conservative president comes in.


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1 posted on 02/11/2010 10:46:33 AM PST by The Right Way 1776
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To: The Right Way 1776

If I thought this post was intended to be even remotely tongue-in-cheek, I would applaud it, but we seem to have long since passed the point where satire becomes impossible here at FR.


2 posted on 02/11/2010 10:48:58 AM PST by Dan Middleton
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To: The Right Way 1776

IBTZ


3 posted on 02/11/2010 10:50:10 AM PST by Waryone (So tired of blog pimps)
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To: Waryone

Me too? IB4TZ.

Ozone Party!


4 posted on 02/11/2010 10:51:08 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Freepmail me to get on the Bourbon ping list.)
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To: The Right Way 1776

Troll!


5 posted on 02/11/2010 10:51:22 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Waryone

Actually considering who ran the Republican Party at the time (the country-club Rockefeller Republican types), they certainly considered Reagan a RINO.


6 posted on 02/11/2010 10:51:37 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: The Right Way 1776

7 posted on 02/11/2010 10:52:50 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: The Right Way 1776

Don’t be an ass


8 posted on 02/11/2010 10:53:06 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: dfwgator

I guess that is what angers me so much about the country clubbers. They hated Reagan so much. They fought him more than they fought the democrats. Now, they do all they can to get people to imagine Reagan was one of them. It’s disgusting.


9 posted on 02/11/2010 10:58:10 AM PST by Waryone (So tired of blog pimps)
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To: The Right Way 1776
If you have read The Reagan Diaries, there is a section where President Reagan was chagrined that we was being charged by his party with not being conservative enough.

At any rate, I think it is totally ridiculous to judge Reagan by today's standards, which you seem to be suggesting. The political world has moved forward at light-speed in the last 20 years.

10 posted on 02/11/2010 10:58:33 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: The Right Way 1776

........... Zot!

11 posted on 02/11/2010 10:59:15 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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Reagan was not perfect, that is for sure. As with all icons, the negatives tend to be washed away from the public perception.

But it also speaks to the fact that the President, for all the power implied, really is not quite as powerful in a technical sense when you remove the War Powers from the discussion. The President, ultimately, has to attempt to influence, sign or veto what congress does. The power is in the vagaries of persuasion.


12 posted on 02/11/2010 10:59:16 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: Kirkwood
"... we HE was being charged..."
13 posted on 02/11/2010 10:59:57 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: The Right Way 1776

You have a point about the amnesty. That deal was Reagan’s biggest mistake.

He made other compromises with liberals, but only as necessary. He was always clear about his conservative Christian beliefs.


14 posted on 02/11/2010 11:02:23 AM PST by iowamark
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To: The Right Way 1776

Reagan came into the presidency with a few major objectives, among them cutting taxes, getting people back to work (obviously related to tax policy), improving the military, and dealing with the Soviets. If he had to make some compromises in some other areas in order to accomplish his primary goals, he made them.

Bear in mind that he had a Democrat House to contend with during both his terms.


15 posted on 02/11/2010 11:05:12 AM PST by Scanian
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To: The Right Way 1776

No president has ever been perfect. Reagan was not an exception to that rule. He was however, a great president. By today’s standards, he probably would be considered a RINO.

I see some are already calling for you to be “zotted”. How absurd.


16 posted on 02/11/2010 11:07:12 AM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: The Right Way 1776

If you compare him to the kinds of Republicans that were in office at the time, you could say so since he had more of a Libertarian stripe.

He also had a much different political reality to deal with than GW did. Reagan had a Democratic House and Senate to deal with, and they weren’t willing to compromise their “safety nets.”

I remember reading a quote from Tip O’Neill who said something like he was happy to have gotten through the Reagan administration with the social safety nets still intact. So, my guess is that Reagan wanted to do something with them, but never got that far because of people like Tip and his Democratic cohorts.


17 posted on 02/11/2010 11:08:13 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: The Right Way 1776

You fail to give the whole picture such as:

The Act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants (immigrants who do not possess lawful work authorization) and required employers to attest to their employees’ immigration status.

So Reagan was interested in a conservative approach but no one elected him to be Stalin and ignore other branches of the government.

If you think Reagan had the power to deport illegals but chose not to.


18 posted on 02/11/2010 11:12:14 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: The Right Way 1776

Reagan, the legend, was perfect. Reagan, the man, isn’t spoken of much around here.
I liked him fine because he knew how to compromise to at least get a piece of what he wanted. But he wasn’t the stellar conservative president that many portray him as.


19 posted on 02/11/2010 11:12:18 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: The Right Way 1776

Nothing much can be done about things in the past and while not 100% perfect Reagan was by far the best President in my lifetime.

Now, what needs to be done is to purge the GOP of every stinking progressive. At the primary level, if the GOP tries to run a progressive, like the scum they ran in NY ScuzzyFavaFlavorFlave then Conservatives need to use every legal means necessary to get someone else on the ballot.

If I were a Dem I would be ashamed with what the progressives have done to that party and I sure am not going to sit around and let the GOP do the same damned thing.

I joined the PrimaryChallenge group in NY. I’ve attended the Tea Party Rallies. On an almost weekly basis write my representatives to, at bare minimum, let them know we are watching.

We need a Sen McCarthy to once again purge the communists (progressives)from both parties and our country.


20 posted on 02/11/2010 11:12:30 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: CaribouCrossing
"By today’s standards, he probably would be considered a RINO."

He certainly made deals and was pragmatic about it. He had no choice thanks to Tip O'Neil. That alone would draw the ire of many today who believe that anyone who compromises is a RINO.

The arm-twisting of states - especially Louisiana - about the minimum drinking age really irked me back then - long past the time where I turned "legal", and it still irks me today. The age that a state allows someone to drink liquor is none of the business of the imperial federal government

21 posted on 02/11/2010 11:13:28 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: monkapotamus

That oldies and goodies picture LOL!

Monk get on ping 7


22 posted on 02/11/2010 11:15:07 AM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: The Right Way 1776
Reagan was severely criticized by the Washington insider Repubs. He received criticisms from conservatives as well but Reagan managed it with a combination of grace and political genius.

Was he a Rino? ...........NO!

Was he a single issue nutcase? >>>>>>Absolutely NOT!

Did he make everyone happy all the time?......Certainly not!

Throughout his presidency he pissed of one constituency or another for the explicit purposes of governing the country well, but he always retained his conservatism in spite of appearances at times. GW Bush governed in much the same way as he tried to emulate Reagan when he could, but he did not have that special sauce that Reagan had.

I have often grappled with Conservatives on this site who often quote Reagan as if he was the quintessential conservative and never gave in to liberals. That idea is nice but it is not true. Reagan, or any good governor or president is the president of all, not just some, and reality tends to conflict with any ideology. It's how you handle that conflict that determines you ability to govern effectively.

Reagan was very effective compared to many modern day presidents, as was GWB. They both did it in a way that history will reflect as successful, and neither was, is, or ever will be considered a RINO. But criticisms of how they did one thing or another will always exist. It was the price they paid for effectiveness and it was done in the best interests of the entire country. He did it his way.

23 posted on 02/11/2010 11:15:47 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Dan Middleton

Out, out, damned zot!


24 posted on 02/11/2010 11:16:49 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: OldDeckHand

“He certainly made deals and was pragmatic about it. He had no choice thanks to Tip O’Neil. That alone would draw the ire of many today who believe that anyone who compromises is a RINO.

The arm-twisting of states - especially Louisiana - about the minimum drinking age really irked me back then - long past the time where I turned “legal”, and it still irks me today. The age that a state allows someone to drink liquor is none of the business of the imperial federal government”

I agree. The passing of time often removes a bit of reality to our memories. Back then, and even now, Reagan would/should have been considered a RINO. And yet we honor the man and sure wish we could bring him back as our president once again.


25 posted on 02/11/2010 11:25:01 AM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: The Right Way 1776

Who pray tell Ron Paul Troll would be conservative enough? Never mind, I think I figured it out.


26 posted on 02/11/2010 11:31:43 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge

I smell Ron Paul infiltrator troll scent...


27 posted on 02/11/2010 11:33:26 AM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: The Right Way 1776

That’s right, Reagan was a RINO!!!!

The only true Republican was Abraham Lincoln. All “Republicans’ since him have been RINOs.

(I’m a RINO, you’re a RINO, everyone’s a RINO [except the progressive, liberal comunist democrats])


28 posted on 02/11/2010 11:36:40 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: zot; Interesting Times

RINO wars!


29 posted on 02/11/2010 11:41:33 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: The Right Way 1776

As a conservative and Californian, I was thrilled to see Reagan elected, for him to push tax reductions, and push tough smart foreign policy.

I was, and remain, very pissed off about amnesty, preventing me from seeing him through the rose colored glasses.


30 posted on 02/11/2010 11:48:04 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker; Texas Fossil
Reagan had to sign the Amnesty to get Ted Kennedy and the rest of the liberals on board to support some of the "off the books fund raising".

Remember back in the eighties when Kerry came back from Nicaragua with his little hearings and such?

Fat Ted and the Demos just let Lurch hang in the wind. The deal was 'in'.

31 posted on 02/11/2010 11:54:36 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: The Right Way 1776
Blaspheme.

LLS

32 posted on 02/11/2010 12:16:20 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Kirkwood

This is actually a good point, and in all cases I wasn’t trolling just food for thought.


33 posted on 02/11/2010 12:27:25 PM PST by The Right Way 1776
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To: investigateworld

“Reagan had to sign the Amnesty to get Ted Kennedy and the rest of the liberals on board to support some of the “off the books fund raising”.”

Thanks. I feel so much better experiencing these past 22 years of illegal immigration, since Reagan. not

Obviously it was all worth it, since Ted “handled” Reagan so easily. not

But I’ll stick to my version, and stay pissed.


34 posted on 02/11/2010 12:47:15 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Condor51
flying monkies
35 posted on 02/11/2010 3:40:24 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("The Economy Is So Bad, Even 'Rosy Scenario' Lost Her Job"-Jim Geraghty)
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To: The Right Way 1776; Allegra; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; 50mm; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; ..
I don't think you've thought this through very well.


36 posted on 02/11/2010 5:59:01 PM PST by 50mm (Die Obamacare Die!!!!)
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To: The Right Way 1776

IBTZ!


37 posted on 02/11/2010 6:01:13 PM PST by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: 50mm

Hooah


38 posted on 02/11/2010 6:13:24 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: 50mm

ibtz


39 posted on 02/11/2010 6:18:25 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: The Right Way 1776; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 50mm
What you say and what is right are two different things.

ZOT!


40 posted on 02/11/2010 6:22:05 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. (Hi Mom.))
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To: The Right Way 1776
Does this look familiar to you? LOL.

41 posted on 02/11/2010 6:27:23 PM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: The Right Way 1776

IBTZ


42 posted on 02/11/2010 7:18:09 PM PST by bcsco (Obama is the navel of his own universe.)
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To: The Right Way 1776

IBTZ


43 posted on 02/11/2010 7:25:03 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: The Right Way 1776

Livin dangerously, kid ???


44 posted on 02/11/2010 7:31:58 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: The Right Way 1776

Historically speaking you are correct.


45 posted on 02/11/2010 8:03:48 PM PST by Danae (Don't think the Constitution matters? Try living in a country without one.)
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To: Danae

Dang it, hate it when the post doesn’t go up right... Technically this poster is correct, but Regan was not a RINO. He had to make a number of compromises, and certain situations did arise that had to be dealt with. The Amnesty was a Mistake I think however. That is the only big one that I think he made. I wish he had been more aggressive in his last two years in office tho....


46 posted on 02/11/2010 8:05:47 PM PST by Danae (Don't think the Constitution matters? Try living in a country without one.)
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To: The Right Way 1776

If your point was to show that Reagan was human and had his faults, then point made. At his worse, he was a damn sight better than what we are contending with today.

If your intent was simply to badmouth Reagan, the may your post die the death of a thousand viking kittie’s cuts.


47 posted on 02/11/2010 8:30:13 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (The liberals are asking us to give Obama more time. Is 25 to life enough?)
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To: The Right Way 1776
Here, you might enjoy this:

(Vanity) A Look Back at Immigration, or Fifty Years of Lies

Cheers!

48 posted on 02/11/2010 9:58:35 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: The Right Way 1776

No president is perfect....on illegals I don’t think Reagan knew just how bad that would get...they only expected i think what??...a million or so applying?

and back then no one had the data seeing how most latinos would end up voting....sure most Ricans voted D but the more white Cubans voted R...a big R.

Now we know how it works....amnesty would kill the GOP’s power as we know it...and the hispanic birthrate coupled with white infanticide may do it anyhow

on drinking age...I think Magnus was wrong but that is not really RINO realm


49 posted on 02/11/2010 10:04:31 PM PST by wardaddy (I have been in a serious RHCPers mood lately......)
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To: Kirkwood
At any rate, I think it is totally ridiculous to judge Reagan by today's standards, which you seem to be suggesting

amen but let me warn you that many many freepers have zero ability to view anything in historical context.

ask any southern freeper..lol

50 posted on 02/11/2010 10:05:59 PM PST by wardaddy (I have been in a serious RHCPers mood lately......)
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