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Posted on 05/15/2010 12:57:52 AM PDT by The Watcher

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To: The Watcher
1). Defeat & take over the GOP party structure like the patriots in UT did.

2). Defeat the socialists in power.

Anything else is the status quo.
51 posted on 05/15/2010 8:36:37 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: curth

i was for Lonegan in the primary, but some opposed Christie in the general.


52 posted on 05/15/2010 9:02:05 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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To: WOSG
You said: Why couldnt a GOP minority stop obamacare? I mean SERIOUSLY - they have zero power to stop Democrat majority rule, the media is on Obama’s side, and you didnt know that? What do you expect, supermen with trained sharks with laser beams on their heads zapping the Dems?!? No, EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN OPPOSED OBAMACARE. They made good arguments, and the people responded and were and are on our side. COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS REFUSAL TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE ... but complaining about the GOP is ‘concern troll’ BS, they have done well as an outnumbered minority and NOW is the time to support them in taking back the Congress. Yes, the GOP played the "parlor game" in DC and lost. We knew that. We knew they'd lose that game. They knew they'd lose that game. But that's the ONLY game they played. While the libs have amassed a huge war chest of paid activists, thugs, fraud, paid activism, and called on millions of astroturfers to give them MSM political cover, and on and on.. the GOP sat on their fat backsides and played the parlor game with a fixed outcome. What's the point in giving them a majority? They'll just whine and moan and be "bipartisan" so as to not make the MSM mad, while we race frantically over the cliff of destruction. So, while the GOP has become good at the parlor game of winks and nods in DC, what is needed is LEADERSHIP, one where they act such that people are actually inspired by them, instead of playing wet blanket firemen. Seriously, in the aftermath of Obamacare, how many GOP figures self flagellated about being called "the party of NO!"? Where's the video of the GOP rallying millions to DC and shutting down the place and then "negotiating" to get their way, or the government stays shut down? They should be SPONSORING the largest and most civil disobedient rallies the nation has ever seen, WE MUST PRESERVE THE UNION. We know the TEA Party people don't riot, don't break glass, hell, they don't even litter. Yes, the GOP gained enough spine to not vote with the Democrats on ONE issue. And immediately backslid and has myriad members supporting cap and trade and this stupid bailout crap and on and on. They learned NOTHING. As far as Christie goes... He can be judged when some history has occurred and we can see if he's just a big mouth with just enough spine to stare down a stupid reporter, or if he's willing to go the distance. The GOP is still seeking lefties for office, and is still content to play the game in DC without leading. It's as if they have eyes but cannot see, and are actually afraid of conservative ideals, which they run from anytime there's not a TEA Party rally outside their door, consisting of pitchforks and long knives. And while you insist that there are individual members of the party who ARE willing to do something, some little something, I've specifically been addressing the non leadership. And still am. You can literally see them dreaming up ways to triangulate to try to "have amnesty and oppose it too". OR, politics as usual. As to your question, could the GOP have stopped Obamacare? Absolutely. No question. It would have only required them having a tiny bit of courage and acting with some conviction, but they could do nothing but hide frantically in the dark and rush out with vote counts to placate the mobs outside the door. And immediately after, waffle about rescinding it. Talk about courage of your convictions. Not even a smidgeon to be seen.
53 posted on 05/15/2010 9:53:46 AM PDT by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher
I've had enough of the "Gutless Old Party" as well.
54 posted on 05/15/2010 10:01:07 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: nathanbedford

What’s this about the GOP falling on their swords? They need do no such thing. Not only can they win on attacking entitlements, they can GAIN ELECTIONS as well, while doing it.

If Dave Ramsey can obliterate every liberal idiotic notion in 3 minutes on tv or radio, and gain audience, then why the hell can’t some experienced speakers who have the whole insides of government and it’s research get off their duff and do it even better?

If the leadership of the GOP started acting like they had a pair between the 40 of them, THE PEOPLE would have their backs, no problem. But they have to LEAD, not just become masters of the house and senate rule book. Yeah, that stuff is important, but leadership is planting yourself in front of the movement, pointing the direction to go and then starting off in that direction. And NEVER RETREATING. Bush was so spineless that he actually retreated on a great idea and in so doing discredited himself and discredited wisdom and prudence. It’s like the worst of all worlds, to first start toward something ,and then when criticised, run from it. You just told your enemy you agree with them. What a putz.

For all those RINO’s... The leadership of the GOP should be on radio, on TV, on the web, directing the masses of TEA Party types and using their knowledge from the inside to so overwhelm the RINOs that they are gauranteed to go along. A little taste of two million people bringing every office, staff, phone, etc, in your RINO’s organization to a screeching halt and refusing to call off the dogs until they go along.

It’s called “hardball” and my version of it is called “enriched uranium explosive propelled pitching”.

Or, perhaps these twits just don’t care, don’t believe what they say, or haven’t got collectively a pair sufficient to stiffen anything, least of all spine. Every damn thing has been given to them. millions of activists you can trust to stand for the right things, millions who will travel the country to make the mobs you need, and never retreating. In other words, hardball so hard that Obama turns whiter than Lohann’s hiney, and the SEIU runs up the white flag. THAT would be growing a pair, in my world. Anything less, is just playing games. Either you intend to win, by crushing, overwhelming, irresistable force... Or you just wanna play games.


55 posted on 05/15/2010 10:11:29 AM PDT by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher

I watched the video of Gov Christie talking to the reporter and it reminded me why I just can’t be in the GOP.

But why can’t the GOP be something besides simpering, terrified lapdogs, afraid of their own shadow?


Life’s confusing sometimes.


56 posted on 05/15/2010 10:12:51 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: RightOnline

you said:

OK....you lost me right here. Overall, a fine piece, I must say.....yet you openly admit to being one who doesn’t want to be confrontational.

So, you want someone else to do it for you? You feel that the mess we find ourselves in will be rectified without confrontation?


What I said was that I am not normally a confrontational person. I don’t go seeking it. I don’t WANT power, because with it comes responsibility. Christ, in the Garden, sweated blood praying “ If possible, let this cup pass from me”. We all know He still did it. There’s nothing wrong with not being of a nature that doesn’t seek confrontation.

But if you run for office... and you get elected... YOU OWN THIS MESS AND YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO FIX IT. I’m known in my world as a “really nice guy”.

IF I were to be in office, then I would have a sacred obligation to not just be a little confrontational - a la Gov Christie and some shmuck reporter - but to be the toughest, meanest, most devious, determined and unflagging General there ever was. To rally every troop determined to fight and to fight to the last man standing in the best and most effective way possible. To use every possible weapon at my disposal to do the right thing.

After all, what needs to be done is not just the “Right thing”, but the imperative, due to the consequences.

SEIU thugs are naturally confrontational, but they’re just bullies. Put good men, with good conviction with their backs to the wall, and they truly fight. Even if that’s not their first nature.


57 posted on 05/15/2010 10:25:49 AM PDT by The Watcher
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To: McGavin999

No, I’m not a GOP member because the GOP leadership has no spine, no convictions, and no courage, whatsoever. And I’m reminded of it because Gov Christie made the ever so slight rebuke of an idiot, in a situation where there’s likely no consequences. Just enough hint of manhood to remind us what real men do when the going gets tough.

Where’s the GOP holding up the “lower taxes, less regulation, distributed empowerment” theme to back up Chrstie? I’m in Oregon, I see nada. Experience says they’re hiding somewhere, hoping he can have some success to coattail on later.


58 posted on 05/15/2010 10:29:34 AM PDT by The Watcher
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To: WOSG
You said: “There’s an army of millions of Americans who want to fix things and who would provide the muscle to make it happen.” Each and every one of thse folks needs to find campaigns they believe in: http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2010/05/14/meet-larry-bucshon-r-cand-in-08/ "

So we can give the GOP leadership an army to retreat with? Or to fight with, demanding further and further "compromise" in the name of "bipartisanship"???? Please. Might as well just shoot both feet.

59 posted on 05/15/2010 10:32:37 AM PDT by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher
The reason you are not seeing it is because you live in Oregon, where there used to be some republicans but everyone gave up, like you did. Talk about no backbone, how can you expect THEM to have backbone if you have none.

We need people who are willing to fight, you just want to give up.

60 posted on 05/15/2010 11:12:48 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Illegal is not a race, it is a crime)
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To: McGavin999

I just want to give up? That’s the last refuge for a party stooge. When all the facts are against you, attack the speaker. Typical party politics. And you wonder why the GOP can’t win diddly.

Go look in the mirror and see part of the problem.


61 posted on 05/15/2010 11:52:03 AM PDT by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher

LOL, what ever.


62 posted on 05/15/2010 11:56:06 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Illegal is not a race, it is a crime)
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To: The Watcher

Your assumption that they are lapdogs is wrong.

The problem is they are fellow progressive socialists all on the same path seeking the same end goal, our enslavement.

But don’t worry most conservative talking bobble heads get this point wrong too.


63 posted on 05/15/2010 12:42:58 PM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: The Watcher

Keep in mind what I said. This isn’t just about Congress or the Governor’s mansion. It’s about facing down liberalism/socialism where EVER you encounter it. That takes a degree of courage (although not much), and you definitely have to be in-your-face about it.

I’m not afraid to be confrontational one little bit, so I find this easy. If you don’t, then go along with someone or a few others who do. Just DO it.


64 posted on 05/15/2010 1:00:12 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: roamer_1
There is another game afoot, and they cannot be trusted. My own conclusion supposes this game to be globalism, and it has been confirmed to my satisfaction.

Again again again again again!!!!!!!


65 posted on 05/15/2010 8:37:20 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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To: The Watcher
And now, the last vestige of the sane and sensible, the ordinary schmucks, have realized that the inmates are running the country, not just the asylum.

This is where you error my friend, The “sane and sensible” are a different class of
people than the “ordinary schmucks”. The “ordinary schmucks” are the reason we
are in the condition we are in, the “ordinary schmucks” are the ones who cast their
ill conceived votes for Obama and the Congress we currently have. Nary a single
“sane and sensible” person voted for the mess we have.

The “ordinary schmucks” greatly out number the “sane and sensible” in this country
so we can look forward to this mess being repeated over and over again until the
twelfth of never, and that’s a long, long time.

Why is the GOP so timid about doing the RIGHT ….

Because they are all corrupt career politicians following the code of POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS.

And now I will tell you true – until we replace all career politicians in our
government with ordinary “sane and sensible” non political people the mess
will continue. Until we take the politics out of our government the mess will
continue.

America is currently on the second leg of its three legged journey.
The first leg was completed when we drove the American Indians into dust.
The second and current leg is the self destruction by moral decay and political
correctness.
The third leg (coming soon) is when the Muslims drive the Christians into dust.

66 posted on 05/15/2010 11:36:47 PM PDT by SwaggerStick
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To: The Watcher

Find a candidate you can believe.
One.
Candidate.
If you dont like some of the GOP offerings, fine, dont help them. but find ONE CANDIDATE you can believe in and support, maybe the great candidate Sean Duffy who was running up against Obey before he retired. May John Dennis, going up against Pelosi. Or Bill Flores who will unseat the blue-dog-lyin-sack Chet Edwards. Or Tim Burns. Or Marco Rubio. Or Chuck DeVore. THE LIST GOES ON. ... AND SUPPORT HIM OR HER.
If you cant find a SINGLE candidate out of the hundreds of Republicans that you agree with and can support, then RUN YOURSELF.

If you cant do ANY of that ... then quit whining ... like I said - Lead, follow, or get the heck out of the way.

Freedom is on the line, and I dont recall the history books telling us that the Revolutionary War was won by a guy who sat on his ass at a tavern complaining about what a lousy general George Washington was.


67 posted on 05/16/2010 8:56:24 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: The Watcher

LOOK AROUND - have you actually spoken to most not-so-informed people. Like you, they have abosrbed various anti-GOP attitudes, thanks to an anti-GOP mainstream media, doing the bidding of the leftwing Democrats to keep people unhappy enough with the GOP in order to keep the socialists in power. here’s the problem - like it or not, You ARE the GOP.

YOU ARE THE CONSERVATIVE BASE IN AMERICA. If you do nothing, America goes socialist. If you do the rigth thing, America doesnt.

You dont get it wrt this whole GOP blame-game. The GOP lost in November 2008. they got fired by people like you already - now that bed has been made, giving the Democrats the power to socialize industries left and right. The powers-that-be are Big Government liberals. There is no ‘parlor game’ in DC, there is the plain simple fact that Democrats have all the power and have the media on their side. The GOP is left with figuring how to minimize losses.

All this “THEY should do” X, Y or Z is pathetic. As if GOP leaders have a magic wand to overcome media bias, or change realities of who has power in DC, and millions of apathetic voters will somehow wake up at tap of some heels. You frankly sound like you have absorbed the same selfish, lack-of-responsibility Im-a-victim mentality of the liberals.
Blaming the GOP for this leviation is like blaming the towel boy for losing a superbowl.

The question is: WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT IT? if you wont get off your duff to help save the country, WHO WILL?

“They should be SPONSORING the largest and most civil disobedient rallies the nation has ever seen, WE MUST PRESERVE THE UNION.”

Great idea! I guess you missed that rally of a million people last September in DC. Multiple rallies organized by different conservative groups, and the GOP. Want another? ORGANIZE IT YOURSELF... and don’t blame others for not doing something that ahs been done and that YOU CAN DO too. Because if you dont do it, WHO WILL?

“Yes, the GOP gained enough spine to not vote with the Democrats on ONE issue. And immediately backslid”

I call BS on this. Not a single GOP member of Congress has been for Obamacare, and now 20 states are suing to stop it, led by GOP leaders at the state level.

“and has myriad members supporting cap and trade”
Myriad? How about “hardly any and the few who did are wriggling out so the real number now is ZERO.

And so it goes. You are bound and determined to IGNORE each and every instance of the GOP doing the right thing, ignore it and whine igorantly about them not doing the right thing.

If you want to continue to lose power and lose this country to the socialists, go on whining. It’s pointless and stupid, but people do it because it is easier that actually fixing the problem. If you want to actually do something POSITIVE, here is the game-plan:
1. help conservatives win primaries
2. help conservatives win in November
3. after elections, keep their feet to the fire to do the right thing

And yes, Gov Ghristie IS doing the right thing. He has already stood up to unions, teacher’s unions, govt bureaucrats, the leftist activists, the legal liberals, and a few others. He’s getting his job done. Find more like him to support.

That’s it - LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY.


68 posted on 05/16/2010 9:24:54 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: The Watcher

“So we can give the GOP leadership an army to retreat with? “

More ignorant twaddle - NO! ... find new leadership, if you dont like the old one, by getting better candidates in primaries.

Name the top 3 agenda items you want to see in a candidate for office, and name the top 3 characteristics they should have as officeholders.

What are they?


69 posted on 05/16/2010 9:28:04 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: The Watcher

Very, very nicely done!


70 posted on 05/16/2010 9:36:40 AM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: RightOnline

So, you want someone else to do it for you? You feel that the mess we find ourselves in will be rectified without confrontation? This isn't just about the RNC or Tea Partiers or any other group. This is all about US; those of us who consider ourselves American citizens. WE have to stand up and be heard; WE have to confront power grabs and idiocy and political correctness and destruction of our society wherever we encounter it: the local school, the local school board, your town or city council, your State legislature, etc., etc. Let me suggest that it isn't just the RNC that needs to "grow a set".

So well said, much better than I and in fewer words too. Who will save America? Go look in the mirror. "If not us, who? If not now, when?" - Ronald Reagan

71 posted on 05/16/2010 9:38:18 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: nathanbedford
Liberal media observers profess to find "Teabaggers" angry and they find that anger to be off-putting...

This was the only line that stood out for me, incongruent with the rest. The rest was very well reasoned.

LMO do not find anger off-putting...they are always clucking approvingly at the rage-du-jour on the left. No, just as with everything else, it is suspect only because it comes from the right.

72 posted on 05/16/2010 9:48:47 AM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: Sprite518

“On a National level (Federal Government) and not State?”

Conservative Republicans stopped amnesty. And that’s bad?
Or you are blaming 100% of Republicans for the fact that 7 RINO Republican Senators - INCLUDING THE JUST-FIRED BOB BENNETT OF UTAH - sold out and worked with Democrats to try amnesty? So you tar the whole party with what a small portion of the party is doing.

“Do you really believe the GOP is going to do something. LMAO!”

LMAO yourself - the GOP House *DID* pass a bill last session they had a majority:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Protection,_Anti-terrorism,_and_Illegal_Immigration_Control_Act_of_2005

The Border Protection, Anti-terrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005 (H.R. 4437) was a bill in the 109th United States Congress. It was passed by the United States House of Representatives on December 16, 2005 by a vote of 239 to 182 (with 92% of Republicans supporting, 82% of Democrats opposing), but did not pass the Senate. It was also known as the “Sensenbrenner Bill,” for its sponsor in the House of Representatives, Wisconsin Republican Jim Sensenbrenner. The bill was the catalyst for the 2006 U.S. immigration reform protests and was the first piece of legislation passed by a house of Congress in the United States illegal immigration debate.

The bill as passed by the House of Representatives contains the following provisions, among others: [1] [2]

* Requires up to 700 miles (1120 km) of fence along the US-Mexican border at points with the highest number of illegal border crossings. (House Amendment 648, authored by Duncan Hunter (R-CA52)
* Requires the federal government to take custody of illegal aliens detained by local authorities. This would end the practice of “catch and release”, where federal officials sometimes instruct local law enforcement to release detained illegal aliens because resources to prosecute them are not available. It also reimburses local agencies in the 29 counties along the border for costs related to detaining illegal aliens. (Section 607)
* Mandates employers to verify workers’ legal status through electronic means, phased in over several years. Also requires reports to be sent to Congress one and two years after implementation to ensure that it is being used. (Title VII)
* Eliminates the Diversity Immigrant Visa (also known as Green Card Lottery) program. (House Amendment 650, authored by Bob Goodlatte)
* Prohibits grants to federal, state, or local government agencies that enact or maintain a sanctuary city policy. (House Amendment 659, authored by Thomas Tancredo) (withdrawn 12/16/2005 by unanimous consent)
* Incorporates satellite communications among immigration enforcement officials. (House Amendment 638, authored by John Carter)
* Requires all United States Border Patrol uniforms to be made in the U.S. to avoid forgeries. (House Amendment 641, authored by Rick Renzi)
* Institutes a timeline for deployment of US-VISIT to all land-based checkpoints. (House Amendment 642, authored by Michael N. Castle)
* Requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to report to Congress on the number of Other Than Mexicans (OTMs) apprehended and deported and the number of those from states that sponsor terrorism. (Section 401)
* Formalizes Congressional condemnation of rapes by smugglers along the border and urges Mexico to take immediate action to prevent them. (House Amendment 647, authored by Ginny Brown-Waite)
* Requires all illegal aliens, before being deported, to pay a fine of $3,000 if they agree to leave voluntarily but do not adhere to the terms of their agreement. The grace period for voluntary departure is shortened to 60 days.
* Requires DHS to conduct a study on the potential for border fencing on the US-Canada border.
* Sets the minimum sentence for fraudulent documents at 10 years, fines, or both, with tougher sentencing in cases of aiding drug trafficking and terrorism.
* Establishes a Fraudulent Documents Center within DHS.
* Increases penalties for aggravated felonies and various frauds, including marriage fraud and document fraud.
* Establishes an 18-month deadline for DHS to control the border, with a progress report due one year after enactment of the legislation.
* Requires criminal record, terrorist watch list clearance, and fraudulent document checks for any illegal immigrant before being granted legal immigration status.
* Reimburses states for aiding in immigration enforcement.
* Causes housing of a removed alien to become a felony and sets the minimum prison sentence to three years.
* Allows deportation of any illegal alien convicted of driving under the influence (DUI).
* Adds human trafficking and human smuggling to the money-laundering statute.
* Increases penalties for employing illegal workers to $7,500 for first time offenses, $15,000 for second offenses, and $40,000 for all subsequent offenses.
* Prohibits accepting immigrants from any country which delays or refuses to accept its citizens who are deported from the United States (Section 404)

ALL THAT ... supported by 90% of Republicans, opposed by 80% of Democrats.

“Obama is not afraid of the GOP at all.”
As long as Obama can keep the conservatives divided and dispirited by undermining our unity and focus, he’s okay.

Disgruntled conservatives unwilling to help Republicans win are Obama’s best friends right now.


73 posted on 05/16/2010 9:57:58 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: The Watcher

“I don’t WANT power, because with it comes responsibility. “

OK, so you are self-admitting a lack of responsibility.

Then you might temper your criticism of those who HAVE stepped up to take the responsibility, by considering that THEY too are just human, fallible, and can only do what they can do.

“IF I were to be in office, then I would have a sacred obligation to not just be a little confrontational - a la Gov Christie and some shmuck reporter - but to be the toughest, meanest, most devious, determined and unflagging General there ever was.”

And if such selfless super-humans dont exist - but merely human conservative Patriots willing to serve in office who dont measure up to your super-human standard ... then what? you toss them aside blithely ... leaving only socialist thugs to rule over us?


74 posted on 05/16/2010 10:01:43 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG
Yeah the same Republican party that voted to have its convention in Tampa in August, and bypass.... Arizona...LMAO!

First, you should know better than to source WIKIPEDIA. Look up what WIKI means? I’ll save you the time. It means edit and anyone can do it. Second, why give me a bill that did not pass? It’s pointless! Third, where is that fence? Fourth, illegal immigration is completely out of control, and everyone knows the Federal government is not doing jack $hit. Thus, why Arizona is in the news.

I will ask you again. What federal government agency will the Republicans abolish? How many times are you going to get tricked by the Republican party? Prior to Obama, Bush and the Republicans had grown government the biggest and fastest in the entire history of our country. Oh and they left a 1 Trillion dollar deficit. I’m sorry I don’t how you can still support that type of crap. Sorry I want new party. Not more B.S.!

75 posted on 05/16/2010 10:51:10 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: WOSG
Oh and with Kagan... All three have said they will vote her in! Oh and Laura Bush supports her! This is a woman that loves Socialism and hates Capitalism. Oh and she hates the military and free speech. Wonderful!!! Good to know the Republicans are supporting this woman!
76 posted on 05/16/2010 10:58:18 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

“Oh and Laura Bush supports her!”
Well, that does it. I’m NEVER voting for her again. (/sarc)

Millions of Republicans do NOT support her ... but of course they WONT get on Larry King. Media hates conservatives.


77 posted on 05/16/2010 6:23:55 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Sprite518

“Second, why give me a bill that did not pass? It’s pointless!”
It passed the GOP House. That was a significant accomplishment, and it showed clearly most REPUBLICANS ARE FOR REFORM that MOST OF THE DEMOCRATS REFUSE TO BE FOR ANY SEMBLANCE OF REAL ENFORCEMENT OF LAW TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

“Fourth, illegal immigration is completely out of control, and everyone knows the Federal government is not doing jack $hit.”
Yeah, and Obama is President. and Janet Nappy is in charge of it all. Arrests, actions and other ICE enforcement is way DOWN from what was done under Bush in 2008. So what’s new?

” Thus, why Arizona is in the news.”
Because Republicans do something about it, get a lot of heat, and then idiot disgruntled Republicans - RATHER THAN DEFENDING THE GOOD WORK REPUBLICANS ARE DOING - take potshots at them, watch while the media roasts them alive, WITHOUT COMING TO THEIR AID ...

It’s pretty rotten of folks - AFTER Gov Brewer and other Republicans were slandered by the President as ‘racists’ - to say, after the strong and principled stand of these Republicans, to say: “Where are the Republicans with courage?”

“What federal government agency will the Republicans abolish?”

We have most Congressional Republicans saying repeal Obamacare, end TARP and bailouts, and stop the spending.

What agencies will YOU abolish if you were in Congress?
How will YOU get 219 votes and 51 votes to make it happen?

“Prior to Obama, Bush and the Republicans had grown government the biggest and fastest in the entire history of our country. Oh and they left a 1 Trillion dollar deficit.”
FALSE! That number is Obama talking point BS. the last GOP budget was 2006 - before nancy pelosi and the Democrats took control of Congress. The deficit was under $250 billion. Every year the Democrats have had Congress, the spending went up by double-digits.

” I’m sorry I don’t how you can still support that type of crap.” - That $1 trillion deficit was crap that nancy pelosi and the Democrats enacted. How can you support the Democrats by spouting their BS talking points, BLAMIING A DEMOCRAT BUDGET ON REPUBLICANS?

” Sorry I want new party.”
YOU GOT IT - DEMOCRATS RUNNING EVERYTHING.
How’s that hope and change working out for you?


78 posted on 05/16/2010 6:38:12 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG
LOL! Rest assure I did not vote for Obama. I reluctantly voted for McCain. Yes he was the less of the two evils.

You have some valid points, but just keep this in mind. The Republicans are not the party of small government. They may have slowed it down in a few instances, but they have not reversed it.

I appreciate your passion, but respectfully disagree. BTW, some of your facts are off or not logical. However, I am not going to waste my time with it.

79 posted on 05/17/2010 2:39:24 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

OK ... but I am curious, you didnt answer the question:
What agencies will YOU abolish if you were in Congress?

What ‘small Government’ do you propose?

Not a rhetorical question.

The reality is that policies that will get politicians thrown out of office quickly just dont happen much, and when they do (like Obamacare) they tend to be mistakes. I mention this because it is easy to say ‘cut this or that’, the real trick is building a majority support for it.


80 posted on 05/17/2010 9:05:57 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: The Watcher

President Christie 2016


81 posted on 05/17/2010 9:07:57 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (If you can read this you are the resistance. (Oh and the GOP can bite me for $$$))
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To: nathanbedford
"I say to those who would cavalierly abandon the Republican Party, you will have an obligation to put in its place as good as you took."

Pretty easy replacing something that committed suicide.

82 posted on 05/17/2010 9:10:18 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (If you can read this you are the resistance. (Oh and the GOP can bite me for $$$))
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To: WOSG
The Department of Education? Who have they educated? Since they came into existence the overall education of our nation has gone down. The IRS... I’m for the Fair Tax Tax. That is just a start. The Environmental Protection agency is a joke. Ditto the Department of Homeland “insecurity” as I call it. That is just a start.

The government is too large, bloated and corrupt. The average politican in Washington DC does not give a ratt’s ass about our country. They ONLY think about their next election and how to get more power over the people. This is NOT what our founders envisioned. I know that!

All you have to do is look at this link below to know we are in deep $hit as a nation.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

We are one of 19 nations just like Greece. Look at the price of gold compared to the U.S. dollar since 1998. We are about to implode thanks to our lousy corrupt politicians that are doing this on purpose. Just think about it. This is the best Harvard and Yale can produce. Good grief we are in trouble.

83 posted on 05/17/2010 1:49:33 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: WOSG

You siad:

OK, so you are self-admitting a lack of responsibility.

Then you might temper your criticism of those who HAVE stepped up to take the responsibility, by considering that THEY too are just human, fallible, and can only do what they can do.
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“human and fallible”??? What the heck? Ok, how’s this again? “fallible” is choosing whether to head east or west on the freeway, unsure of which direction the exit you need is in. It’s not “Gee, which set of assinine regulations to kill business do I get behind and then wriggle out of later, when people whine at me?” That’s not “fallible”. That’s “faithless ideological idiocy”.

It’s not like we’re facing anything that’s hard to understand, or is difficult to determine which side we should be on. Or is that these people simply have no brain? I mean, I understand Democrats wanting socialism and unemployment and misery all around. That’s thier beliefs, that’s their religion, that’s what they live for. What I don’t understand is when in response to the blowout in the Gulf, you immedately find a bunch of GOP members racing to be greenie idiots. Huh? Have they freaking lost their minds???

And where, WHERE is the leadership? Where is McConnell when Senate members start wandering off to the left? With them? This isn’t a matter of “fallible”. This is utter betrayal of the nation.

When “immigration reform” shows up, you can count McDumb and Gramdumber to immediately race to the other side screaming “WE WANT AMNESTY!!!!” Instead of trying to get Democrats to possibly join, conservatives have to spend all their time, energy and money trying to keep the GOP from being “Obama-lite.”

I can vote, sure. And in my area, the vast majority votes with me. Pointlessly, to be sure, because we’re totally and permanently outvoted by the idiots 275 miles away on the other end of the state.

And you say “go campaign”? The only place that would help is to campaign or try to influence people on the other end of the state. I can’t go there. hell, I can’t even give my daughter (senior, hs) money to buy stuff to make lunch with, I’m that broke. After all, I’m a small businessman, and I came within 200 dollars of losing my entire business back in 2008, when the credit crunch came and people stopped paying their bills for months. I’ve had to live without anything resembling a paycheck for years now, to get things back to the point where we can breath again, and start repaying OUR debts.

And along come GOP membes galore, who can’t seem to find it within their soul to stand with me and in a roar of 41 or 178 unified voices shout “HELL NO!” every time the libs come around to bash my head in. Instead, a big chunk of them keep turning around and kicking me in the gut. Seriously, are they sadists, or what? How is it that this stuff is “tempting”??? So that “fallible” people fall for it? I can’t imagine. It’s my last time in this life, this is MY last chance to be anything but destitute when the rest of my very thin hair turns gray, I’ve lost it all twice before.

To have someone turn on me and say “yeah, we wannt beat you down some more with regulations, taxes, or mandates”, is not a “fallible” behavior. It’s an evil malevolence.

Pass that around to your party boys and see them frown. They don’t like being found out.


84 posted on 05/17/2010 9:39:47 PM PDT by The Watcher
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To: WOSG
And if such selfless super-humans dont exist - but merely human conservative Patriots willing to serve in office who dont measure up to your super-human standard ... then what? you toss them aside blithely ... leaving only socialist thugs to rule over us? It takes NOT THE SLIGHTEST bit of "superhuman-ness" to know which side of all the questions in Congress to be on. You know, It's like, the most crystal clear decisions there are to make. It takes no divination, no crystal ball gazing, no super education... hell, it takes nothing more than being half awake, medicated out of your mind becuase you're sick with the flu, for where to be and what to propose to be absolutely crystal clear. Imagine how easy it is if you're awake and have a tv, computer, and a couple staff members to read and summarize things for you. And yet, a good number of the GOP members have to be horsewhipped to keep them from wandering over and going all giddy at the prospects of bashing us over the heads with more misery. I expect, by people who are self declared to be my enemy ( anti capitalist, anti-business, anti-profit, anti-youcaninsertlotshereallofwhichappliestome) who are on the left. They have, you know, telegraphed their intentions and been crystal clear they intend me harm. Ok, I can deal with that. Then, along comes the OTHER party, who says "We're here to help you". And the next thing I know, they're throwing rocks at my back, from behind me. So, is my criticism of the GOP harsh? Of course it is. As it should be. They are, after all, publicly proclaiming to be "my friend". And yet, they have this uncanny ability to end up holding the same sticks and stones and throwing them at me that the other side does. Why? Why cannot the GOP leadership, and all the members of Congress, our state houses, etc, discern even the most rudimentary of questions? Why is it that they require almost superhuman efforts to get them to be on the side of US the people? You're apparently in big with them. Ask them and get back to me with an answer. Until them, I'm not going anywhere NEAR the party... It would be like swimming with the dolphins....except half of them are sharks. Hungry ones. Apparently.
85 posted on 05/17/2010 9:56:04 PM PDT by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher

“And along come GOP membes galore, who can’t seem to find it within their soul to stand with me and in a roar of 41 or 178 unified voices shout “HELL NO!” every time the libs come around to bash my head in.”

There you go again. Actually, the GOP has done that so well, saying ‘no’ and opposing Obama’s socialism, that Obama is calling them the Party of No.

“It’s not like we’re facing anything that’s hard to understand, or is difficult to determine which side we should be on.”

There you go again. Saying its easy, having not been in the arena. IF IT WAS EASY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW.

“I mean, I understand Democrats wanting socialism and unemployment and misery all around.”

You give the enemy a pass for being 100% against you, while bashing those who are 90% FOR you for their 10% variations? That makes no sense. I DONT understand why anyone is a liberal, but I DO understand that those who are liberals are the ones pushing the worst ideas on America, by far.

Here’s the deal... politicians have to deal with many constituencies.

“What I don’t understand is when in response to the blowout in the Gulf, you immedately find a bunch of GOP members racing to be greenie idiots. Huh? ... This is utter betrayal of the nation.”

Huh, indeed, Democrats are okay but Repubs are not?

“When “immigration reform” shows up, you can count McDumb and Gramdumber ....”
- I guess you missed the memo. McCain is close to losing his primary over that issue, and Bob Bennett already did. And AZ Republicans passed a tough immigration bill... I mean, I dont want to step on your fine rant, but you are bound and determined to throw all the GOP babies out with the RINO bathwater.

It’s frankly waaaay to ‘2006’ for some of us. You would do well to get with the program and get up to speed on the reformation that has happened already and is happening in the Republican party.

“And you say “go campaign”? The only place that would help is to campaign or try to influence people on the other end of the state. I can’t go there. “

So? you can make calls. you can make a difference in primaries and local races. you can influence state-level races.

“How is it that this stuff is “tempting”??? So that “fallible” people fall for it? I can’t imagine. It’s my last time in this life, this is MY last chance to be anything but destitute when the rest of my very thin hair turns gray, I’ve lost it all twice before.”

Duh - IT’S SIMPLE - Politicians do what gets SUPPORTED... as long as conservatives like you demand the kind of perfection that nobody can live up to, they dont even bother and work on other constituencies ... meaning the moderate limp-noodle voters and/or liberals.

THAT”S why they dont respond to you, because you DONT HELP THE GOOD CONSERVATIVES WHO DO THE RIGHT THING! Well, at least other conservatives HAVE woken up and are doing the right thing.

You can lead, you can follow the lead of others (go here
Http://redstate.com for how its being done now) ... or you can get out of the way while the conservative reformers clean up the GOP and set us up for conservative victory in 2010.

In future, I’d advise you quit with the broad brush complaints and focus more on constructive criticism of specific individuals dong specific things The party is made of all of those who help make the GOP what it is, voters and officeholders. We cant all agree as we are millions strong. But most core principles are shared.


86 posted on 05/17/2010 11:12:33 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: The Watcher

“So, is my criticism of the GOP harsh?”

The point is that it is INACCURATE.
You have said ‘the GOP did XYZ’ when in fact 90% of GOP officeholders have NOT done anything like that.
As I said, you throw out the GOP baby with the RINO bathwater.


87 posted on 05/17/2010 11:15:07 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Pretty easy replacing something that committed suicide. “

The party that just won races in NJ, VA, and Massachusetts, and had the Cohones to stand up against Obamacare unanimously ... seems alive and kicking to me.


88 posted on 05/17/2010 11:17:05 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG
You said: Duh - IT’S SIMPLE - Politicians do what gets SUPPORTED... as long as conservatives like you demand the kind of perfection that nobody can live up to, they dont even bother and work on other constituencies ... meaning the moderate limp-noodle voters and/or liberals.

You just invalidated everything you said. No, they have no principles, they're just pandering. Got it. That's what I've said all along, they're just aimlessly wandering, no idea what they should do. As in, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY CORE PRINCIPLES. If they did, whiny libs would have no effect on them. Each day I face the barren wastes, with barely a buck in the bank... And it is NEVER EVEN SLIGHTLY difficult to determine whether Obamacare, Cap and Tax, Bailouts, New entitlements, etc are what I need in my future. Seriously, I am not ever the slightest bit tempted to support "tax raises". And cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone else is, either, unless they're a typical brain-dead liberal... Or just plain stupid. But you have to fight like heck to keep the GOP from defecting in large numbers to such things. Why? Have these people NO COMPREHENSION AT ALL??? And you said this: There you go again. Saying its easy, having not been in the arena. IF IT WAS EASY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW. in response to “It’s not like we’re facing anything that’s hard to understand, or is difficult to determine which side we should be on.”

Um... bucko... It really IS "that easy". All one has to do is take a 60 second look at the books... 13 trillion in debt, high unemployment, businesses still failing, extreme level of government confiscation and spending of GDP. Ok, that's all you need to know. That, in itself, paints the clearest, most unimaginably stark and brilliantly illuminated picture you could EVER paint, to explain what should and should NOT be done. And yet, we can't seem to generate enough influence to say Democrats into the right thing, because the GOP is all wobbly. The fact that Obama has referred at times to the GOP as "the party of no", means the GOP is FAR FAR FAR too wobbly and squishy. If they had a faint backbone, he'd be referring to them as the "Nuclear bomb proof, hellfire and brimstone and depleted uranium armed fortress of "Hell no, we're not and we're coming to blast you into oblivion" party, then I'd start getting interested. And I'd still be arguing for them to grow a spine. It IS just that clear. It is Just that simple. It is, just that correct and true. Again, I ask, just WHERE is McConnell? Where is Steele? Where's Boehner? Their milquetoast gibberish on TV is so pathetic it literally wants to make me hurl. Why? Because if they said anything true or meaningful, like "constitutional boundaries of government" or "the only job of the federal government is to protect the liberties of the individual" they would all get laughed out of town, since not a one of them has a record of voting that way. The OTHER guys vote the way they speak. But not the GOP. It pussyfoots around what it's supposed to stand for, doesn't vote it at all, and rarely takes even a milquetoast level of determination.

89 posted on 05/17/2010 11:53:39 PM PDT by The Watcher
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The party that just won races in NJ, VA, and Massachusetts, and had the Cohones to stand up against Obamacare unanimously ... seems alive and kicking to me.,/i> It required absolutely nothing, but having 2 brain cells functional, and the level of "cohones" equal to that required to lean over and take another sip of water. What it REALLY took was millions of TEA Party people screaming their heads off at every GOP office staff, standing on the ground IN DC and every conservative camera focussed on them... to prevent them from just ooozing over and kissing the feet of Pelosi....
90 posted on 05/17/2010 11:59:08 PM PDT by The Watcher
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To: WOSG
The point is that it is INACCURATE. You have said ‘the GOP did XYZ’ when in fact 90% of GOP officeholders have NOT done anything like that. As I said, you throw out the GOP baby with the RINO bathwater.

no, I'm talking about exactly what they do. Duhhh. I've already told you I don't like confrontation. It's not in my personality. But had I held Boehner's office, before the vote on Obamacare... I would have:

1. Had a unified tv/internet/blogosphere/tea party/conservative websites call for EVERY POSSIBLE American to be in DC that weekend. 2. Ordered every GOP in the house to fill every space they can inside the building with people who are protesting. But silently and not obstructing. 3. Told Pelosi "NO, or we unleash the people". And then DONE IT. I would have filled every corner, jammed wall to wall with people - protesters. And brought things to a halt. By force of mob, if need be. This nation is actually WORTH FIGHTING FOR. Instead, the GOP hid like rats and played parliamentary parlor games. Cowards, spineless fools. This nation is worth defending, even at risk of crossing a few cranky cops or making Pelosi and Obama mad. Yes, I would have risked my "career" to obstruct. Even risked jail. As I said, this nation is actually, ACTUALLY worth fighting for. But not to the GOP. It just sits around being wimps and putzes. And you have the gall to say they had "cohones" for voting "no" on obamacare. That's like saying "no" if you're asked if you want your kneecaps busted with a sledgehammer. There isn't even a question.

91 posted on 05/18/2010 12:12:39 AM PDT by The Watcher
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To: WOSG

None of those wins happened in a vacuum. They ALL had TPE support.


92 posted on 05/18/2010 5:04:17 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (If you can read this you are the resistance. (Oh and the GOP can bite me for $$$))
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To: The Watcher

“Had a unified tv/internet/blogosphere/tea party/conservative websites call for EVERY POSSIBLE American to be in DC that weekend.”

BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/16/thousands-tea-partiers-expected-rally-capitol-hill/

“Told Pelosi “NO, or we unleash the people”. And then DONE IT. “

BEEN THERE. DONE THAT.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/19/boehner-whips-opposition-democrats-drive-health-care-vote/

Boehner did everything he could to stop the bill - unified GOP opposition, put out every talking point, made a noise, and people around the country made clear the bil was unpopular - but Pelosi had 250 vote to play with... UNLESS AND UNTIL WE REMOVE HER MAJORITY, the Democrats wont listen.

“I would have filled every corner, jammed wall to wall with people - protesters.”

Well thousands were there, but ...
What people? The people who sit on their behinds and complain and whine and call themselves ex-GOP because they have adopted a victim mentality but dont do anything?

Once again, you ARE the GOP. If the GOP is not leading, not functioning right and not effective - look in the mirror.

Instead of great ideas for things YOU YOURSELF ARE UNWILLING TO DO... Ask “What can I do to make it better” and do it!


93 posted on 05/19/2010 6:01:11 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: The Watcher

“You just invalidated everything you said. No, they have no principles, they’re just pandering. Got it”

FALSE! My point is that if you demand perfection and at the same time DONT HELP the good people who are with you 80-90% of the time, you get the pandering liberals and RINOs winning elections, who do the opposite of what you want.

All your whining, does it help get an Obamacare-supporting liberal Democrat drone from becoming another vote for tax increases? Did it defeat liberals like Sestak and Critz yesterday? NO?

“It really IS “that easy”. All one has to do is take a 60 second look at the books... 13 trillion in debt, high unemployment, businesses still failing, extreme level of government confiscation and spending of GDP”

Good. then explain it to the 60 million who voted for Obama, convince them of the wrongness of their ways in voting for this crap, and save America.


94 posted on 05/19/2010 6:07:03 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Most tea party people - like me - are in the Republican party.

When we are unified on the right, we win. When we are whiny, divisive and complaining instead of doing, we lose.


95 posted on 05/19/2010 6:10:24 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: The Watcher

Great post. The GOP is terminal with liberal, statist Rockefeller republicans. Conservatives endured 16 years of this form of treachery under GHW Bush and GW Bush and a host of like minded congresscritters, governors and political pundits passing themselves off as conservatives. Now, the GOP is on the move again, attempting to co-opt the Tea Party movement in order to re-gain power that they once held and squandered. You can see that being exercised right here on this thread and across FR from GOP acolytes more concerned about their party and its machinations than championing and upholding conservatism as a movement.


96 posted on 05/19/2010 6:42:14 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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