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The 3-S Test [Surprise! Lefty thinks Mitt, not Sarah, "Safe, Sane and Selfless" candidate for 2012]
The Pacific Northwest Inlander ^ | June 2, 2010 | Ted S. McGregor Jr. , Editor and Publisher

Posted on 06/03/2010 11:03:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Sometime around the time Barack Obama won the White House, I started wondering who would inherit the Republican Party. I have to admit I felt a little schadenfreude when George and Dick drove the GOP off a cliff, but I also named this space “Common Ground” for a reason. We need to focus on what unites us more than the things that divide us.

Here’s some common ground: We need two functioning political parties to continue to meet the challenges of our times. Unlike Karl Rove, I don’t want one party to run the country. Hammering out public policy through competing visions for the future has always been America’s strength. But today the GOP is not functioning; it’s a rudderless bunch who just say “no” to everything, while faux-populists stoke the fires of discontent while cashing in on the emotions they manipulate. It’s not pretty.

Today’s new candidates must rise above the mess; they will set the tone for the next generation of the GOP. To judge whether they might be part of the solution for the Party, I apply what I like to call the 3-S Test to new candidates — the Safe, Sane and Selfless Test. I’ll break it down: Are they safe? Would they support starting two wars with no plan for winning or paying for them? Would they leave Wall Street and oil companies alone to pursue their profiteering? (As they instruct new doctors: First, do no harm.)

Are they sane? Will they use their office to pry into the sex lives of citizens? Will they insist that God planted dinosaur bones 5,000 years ago just for fun?

Are they selfless? Politics has become a highly lucrative career, with elected office a springboard to higher paid jobs in lobbying or speechifying. This is why I find myself trusting a guy like Michael Bloomberg — he’s already rich, so he’s obviously doing it for ego (which I can live with) and the good of the people. Normal people can be selfless, too, but you’ve got to gauge their potential greed factor.

You can apply my test to any candidate from any party, but to illustrate, let’s apply it to the GOP contenders for president. Mitt Romney passes on all three counts. Sarah Palin, meanwhile, fails across the board. So for me, to return the GOP to its Reagan-esque roots, Romney would be the wise choice. And crazy as it is to hear myself say it, America needs the GOP to make a comeback — a safe, sane and selfless one, that is.


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How come we never get to tell the "progressives" which candidates they ought to nominate?
1 posted on 06/03/2010 11:03:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go right ahead...The Dangerous part is Stupid “Country Club” Republicans listen to the Progressives....ex.(John McCain). Basicly they have told us upfront nominate Mitt if you want to lose in 2012.........

Wonder if Barney Frank is up for a run....LOL...Rush would have probably spend his entire show uncontrolably laughing......


2 posted on 06/03/2010 11:14:22 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

absent makes mitt grow fonder in leftist heart


3 posted on 06/03/2010 11:15:24 PM PDT by 4rcane (Tennessee flood)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They scared to death She will run...


4 posted on 06/03/2010 11:16:52 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompitence..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wonder how much of his fortune Romney is spending to get this ¨message¨ out. The guy is a loser; I honestly wouldn´t vote if he were the candidate. But that´s probably what the Dems, who are no doubt behind this, want.


5 posted on 06/03/2010 11:19:37 PM PDT by livius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yeppers - we want ‘OUR GUY’ on YOUR side in 2012. It's a win-win situation!
Only dangerous Christians and right-wing extremist patriotic types would try to upset such an obviously beneficial scenario!
6 posted on 06/03/2010 11:20:40 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: jakerobins
The Dangerous part is Stupid “Country Club” Republicans listen to the Progressives

I'm glad you posted that, as I've been saying it for years. But I also want to throw out something I thought about seriously for the first time yesterday, while working out with Rush in the background (I don't care for the guy who was on today, prefer Steyn).

Palin is my pick of those who've been mentioned, though I have issues with her, as they say. But yesterday, thinking of the complete inability of Obama to deal with being in charge of the government, I wondered about the lessons we're gonna take from this current situation.

If one must call me a Palin hater or a Romney fan, let's just assume that, for the sake of argument (go on and search away to find how often I've said I'm voting for Palin and how often I've said anything supportive of Romney).

Now, here's what I was thinking:

What kind of experience does Romney have with working with situations that will help him pull this government together during these times of economic devastation?

What about Palin?

I'm a big pro-lifer, so obviously Palin is my pick. I'm NOT talking about any other issue except this one--which one would be better at the helm of our government during these economic times, and why?

7 posted on 06/03/2010 11:23:12 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Darkwolf377


Sorry, I think I know where you are going with this.

Just because Mitt has had some business experience, doesn't make him a principled leader.

That is what we need, not a businessman, but a leader with principles.

Somebody who will govern from heart-felt beliefs in conservative principles like self-reliance, morality, and a basic fidelity to principle.

Mitt fails on all three.

His morals are suspect as he has been all over the board on Abortion, and support for Gay Rights, and he lies all the time.
8 posted on 06/03/2010 11:27:53 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
Sorry, I think I know where you are going with this. Just because Mitt has had some business experience, doesn't make him a principled leader. That is what we need, not a businessman, but a leader with principles. Somebody who will govern from heart-felt beliefs in conservative principles like self-reliance, morality, and a basic fidelity to principle. Mitt fails on all three. His morals are suspect as he has been all over the board on Abortion, and support for Gay Rights, and he lies all the time.

I get what you're saying, esp. about abortion. But I really don't want to get into that (since we're in agreement). As things stand right now, I support Palin.

Again, purely on how to deal with this economy, I simply don't see what Palin's got. Is it going to be enough to say to the American people "she's a good person"? She is that. I trust her more than I do Romney in terms of principles and personal morality.

But is being a good person enough to be the president we need?

Is it really a sign of seriousness that we look at Romney's track record and say "Mitt has had some business experience" when in fact he's had substantial experience.

We keep saying Obama has never run anything. Well, that's true. But has what Palin's run for a couple of years given her enough experience to deal with the current crisis?

I openly say I am not a Palin bot, thoough she's the best we've got right now. But we need a brilliant economic mind here. Are we really going to go to the American people while we're in our fourth year of Obama and say "She is the person best qualified to lead us out of this"?

What evidence is there that the American public will say "Well, we're in tough times, but she's very principled"

Reading over this I know I'm very close to looking like a Romney fan. To those who suspect this all I can say is I'm not, check my posting history.

We have to get it together to defeat this guy and, as the earlier post says, not let the Rockefeller Republicans take control.

I believe Palin is a Reaganite, and Romney a Rockefeller Republican through and through. I'm not talking about another McCain "electable" disaster.

But I don't see the argument to those who don't support Palin now that she's the best person to lead us in this economy. I can easily see Romney following McvCain's playbook, and some more "conservatives" splitting the vote and we get Romney...

I dunno, I'm just seeing a lot of trouble with either one--Palin from THEM, Romney from US.

9 posted on 06/03/2010 11:38:50 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Darkwolf377

While you’re looking back at his so called experience, take a look at what he’s actually accomplished. Does Romneycare ring a bell?

Yes, Obama’s lack of experience is a nightmare, but when experience equals absolute failure, I look to vote for a different candidate.


10 posted on 06/03/2010 11:53:26 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone
While you’re looking back at his so called experience, take a look at what he’s actually accomplished. Does Romneycare ring a bell?

I live in MA, and I didn't even think of that. I guess I've been healthcare'd out.

Which only makes me more frightened of Romney and the Roosevelt Repubs.

So we're back to square one--if not Romney, who have we got with something to offer economically? Jindahl? I don't know of his background.

Yes, Obama’s lack of experience is a nightmare, but when experience equals absolute failure, I look to vote for a different candidate.

Ah, you had me, then ya lost me. You have a president who doesn't have any experience and we're in a nightmare, so you're going to vote for someone BECAUSE they don't have experience? That doesn't make any sense.

11 posted on 06/04/2010 12:01:11 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Darkwolf377

Sorry for confusing you. I’m not saying go with someone because they don’t have experience. I’m saying don’t go with experience for experience’s sake — especially the bad kind of experience.

We still have to be discerning. Don’t accept bad experience just because it’s experience. Experience is not the be all and end all of everything. It is just one of the factors you look at. Romney has absolutely none of the factors necessary for president. He has little experience as governor. He is a liar who has no understanding of conservative principles. He is a flaming liberal pretending to be conservative whose acts vary only in degree from Obama. (Romney goes in exactly the same socialist direction as Obama.)

If you live in Massachusetts and you’ve already forgotten about Romneycare, then there may truly be no hope for your state.


12 posted on 06/04/2010 1:09:09 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone
Sorry for confusing you. I’m not saying go with someone because they don’t have experience. I’m saying don’t go with experience for experience’s sake — especially the bad kind of experience.

OK, but who's got the GOOD kind of experience? That's what I'm really getting at here, in a roundabout way, I discovered as I wrote. I mean, I know we like her, but I have seen nothing that shows me Sarah Palin knows how to handle this economy. I know that a simple assessment like that is considered hate around here, but I haven't seen anything in her background hinting she could handle something like this. And I gotta admit, her habit of quitting is alarming.

I'm open--what's the evidence that shows she could handle something like this? Not asking for her to have run a country before, but something in her background that indicates she could handle this. Her position on abortion and gun rights has nothing to do with how she'd handle a complex issue like this. So let's have it.

We still have to be discerning. Don’t accept bad experience just because it’s experience. Experience is not the be all and end all of everything.

I know that, but it's extremely important. When your car breaks down, are you going to hand it over to someone who has had no experience with car repair because they share your views on abortion?

It is just one of the factors you look at. Romney has absolutely none of the factors necessary for president.

Just because I don't like him doesn't mean I'm going to be like a little kid and say "No, no, nothing, can't do anything, go away!" He could handle the job. He has extensive experience in business and government. You and I don't like much of what he did while he was in government, but he could handle the job. Whether he's another Clinton, Bush, or LBJ, who knows, but he could handle the job.

He has little experience as governor.

Yeah, but he didn't quit after two years, either. That's a huge issue, and if you don't think that'll come up if Palin runs (I'm starting to suspect she won't and will continue doing what she's been doing, which is party building, so we don't have such limited choices), well, I have to strongly disagree.

He is a liar who has no understanding of conservative principles. He is a flaming liberal pretending to be conservative whose acts vary only in degree from Obama. (Romney goes in exactly the same socialist direction as Obama.)

He's not a socialist. I know something about the differences between Romneycare and Obamacare, and while I'm strongly against both--nope, sorry. We toss that word around like the libs do "Fascist". I can dislike him without making up stuff like that.

If you live in Massachusetts and you’ve already forgotten about Romneycare, then there may truly be no hope for your state.

No, it's just that I'm a human being with a lot on my mind. I've been thinking about healthcare debate for years, and sometimes, my mind is elsewhere. No more or less than that.

13 posted on 06/04/2010 1:27:56 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Darkwolf377

Fair play. These questions need to be asked.

The Palins have run their own business. They’ve had to make payroll.

And Palin has stated how important it is to get Government out of the way of business.

That’s two ticks, compared with Romneys one. Also Romney’s disastrous liason with government healthcare has got to drag down his economic credentials.

lastly: one of the more important things a President must do is a) keep out of the way of business, and b) keep Congress out of the way of business. Palin would do both: I have no confidence that Romney would do either.


14 posted on 06/04/2010 2:34:41 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ah, Romney. Either backstabbing Gov. Palin through surrogates
OR defending Obama with his last breath.

“Romney praises Obama
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney praised President Obama
at a GOP fundraising dinner Wednesday ..
"I also think it's important for us to nod to the president when he's right," Romney said....
Romney, who spoke at a dinner for the National Republican Senatorial Committee,
said he's pleased with the president's plans to "finish the job" in Iraq and Afghanistan
-- lines that drew applause from the partisan audience. He also applauded the president
for standing up to the auto industry.
"I hope he continues to be tough ....The former businessman even offered faint praise for
Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, saying that after a series of initial missteps,
"I think he's finally getting close to the right answer."



15 posted on 06/04/2010 3:30:35 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"I'm not running as the Republican view or a continuation of Republican values.
That's not what brings me to the race.

(Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)



"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party
 over to the traitors in the battle just ended.
We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged
 to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support.
Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates
wouldn’t make any sense at all.""

--  President Ronald Reagan



"I'm very clear I think, to the people across the Commonwealth
my "R" didn't stand so much for Republican as it does for reform.
"
(Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)



"A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs
 which must not be compromised to political expediency
or simply to swell its numbers."

--  President Ronald Reagan



16 posted on 06/04/2010 3:38:10 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Darkwolf377

John Batchelor: "As a candidate, she begins the nomination hunt with a formula
that none of her rivals can match, not even Mitt Romney,
not only because she gave up something in order to go for the
White House but also because she reached this decision by being drafted.

What is going on right now in the Republican Party—
even as the professionals scramble to react with grins and
snorts to the news of Palin’s Alaska resignation—
are the early scenes of the 2012 campaign for the presidency
with Sarah Palin as the once and future hero. Like Joan of Arc,
Catherine the Great, Elizabeth Regina, and, skipping
four centuries of quarrelsome princes, Margaret Thatcher,
the Republican Party has already decided that the governor of Alaska
will rescue the GOP from its ruination.
What Sarah Palin begins with an announcement from
Wasilla is not only a campaign, it is an Iditarod of a crusade—
first woman, first mom, and second moose-hunter into the White House."

"In fact, the governor does not need much more than a ballot line from the aimless,
tongue-tied, villain-rich GOP. She certainly does not need the GOP to do well
in the congressional mid-terms in 2010; she does not need the party
to improve its flabby polling on health care or trust;
she does not even need the Republican Party to raise a voice
to explain her positions on the burning controversies on Capitol Hill.
Palin does not need to prove anything at all about wise government,
because she appeals directly to the anti-authoritarian crowd that has
been with us since Shay’s Rebellion in 1787."

17 posted on 06/04/2010 3:43:40 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Today’s new candidates must rise above the mess; they will set the tone for the next generation of the GOP

Ri-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght. While they on the left get to continue to engage in meanspirited attacks, lies and disinformation campaigns because, well, because they're the more moral, ethical party, after all, dontcha know!

The author may think he was being high-minded and rational when he named his vanity-site "common ground" but that, like everything else a liberal does, was nothing more than infantile ego gratification.

Tell ya what, lefty; you want us to "play nice" when we have to start cleaning up the Augean Stable size mess you libs have made out of this country in 4 freaking years? Then you'd damn well better start "playing nice" first - after all, you have all the marbles right now, so what are you so afraid of that you won't even make a good-faith attempt to be nonpartisan?

Go eff yourself, lefty; you've already effed the country up enough.


18 posted on 06/04/2010 3:52:19 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Al B.; SoConPubbie; SoCalPol; Virginia Ridgerunner; 2ndDivisionVet
Well, well. Another democrat for Romney...LOL. Even worse, this bozo lives in fantasyland. He actually thinks the media loved Bush and never gave him the scrutiny given to Clinton and Gore!!!!

Bush's Media Pass, by Ted S. McGregor, Jr.

~snip~

Which brings us to the strange case of George W. Bush. It's hard to argue the point that Bush has never had to stand up to the level of scrutiny — and derision — that Gore or Clinton did. Bill Clinton had to endure investigations over missing files, the suicide of a friend and a real estate deal in which he actually lost money. Bush has a hard time getting investigated for taking the nation to war under an apparently manufactured rationale — something that could, in time, be viewed among the nation's most notorious scandals. Then there's Monica, which Clinton clearly deserved to be scrutinized for. But impeachment? Note how there's absolutely no coverage in the media about impeaching Bush for his alleged crimes. Remember, it's not about what you did; it's about lying about what you did — if you're a Democrat.

Then there's the way Al Gore was treated in 2000. You'll recall the running joke about how stiff Al Gore was, and later how he thought he invented the Internet (snicker) and dreamed up that he was the basis for a character in the book and film Love Story. These stories were pushed by Republican operatives and Fox News, and Gore was pummeled over them. But most voters don't remember that, in fact, he did run the first Congressional investigation on amping up the Internet and he was the basis for a character in Love Story. Corrections, when they ran, were never as big as the story in the first place.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

19 posted on 06/04/2010 3:59:09 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: agere_contra
Fair play. These questions need to be asked. The Palins have run their own business. They’ve had to make payroll.

So have I, and millions of others. What does running a business and meeting a payroll have to do with dealing with Fannie/Freddie, bailouts, the dollar, the Fed?

I looked up the business experience Palin has, and could only find slanted sources I don't really trust like the Village Voice, which claims the Palins ran a car wash and "her husband's commercial fishing business"--what exactly does the partner in a commercial fishing business do that makes her fit to run the world's largest economy?

I have always been a blue collar worker, so I'm sure as hell not saying there's a thing wrong with running a small business. But what is it that makes this particular owner of a commercial fishing business fit to run this economy at this time?

Would you be changing your mind about Romney if his business experience was that of co-owning a commercial fishing business? Would you downgrade your estimation of Palin's skills if she had Romney's business history of takeovers/leveraged buyouts, layoffs (we're all saying the president needs to cut the size of government)?

Which business experience is of more use when dealing with an economy such as ours?

And Palin has stated how important it is to get Government out of the way of business.

Hasn't Romney said this and more? Whatever one thinks of Romney, hasn't he been very articulate in saying this same thing, while also having turned around the troubled 2002 Olympics, arguably at least as massive a labor as Palin's business ventures?

As I wrote, if there's more to Palin's non-governmental experience, let me know, as it seems when I search these terms with Google I get a lot of suspect sources.

That’s two ticks, compared with Romneys one.

I don't know about that.

Also Romney’s disastrous liason with government healthcare has got to drag down his economic credentials.

As I mentioned, Romneycare makes him a non-starter for me. But it's also a lot more complicated than that--check out the history of what he did, what he vetoed, and the Democrat numbers in our statehouse. It's at least as complicated as Palin's struggle on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which she resigned after a year.

lastly: one of the more important things a President must do is a) keep out of the way of business, and b) keep Congress out of the way of business. Palin would do both: I have no confidence that Romney would do either.

I don't know, I agree on your point about Palin, but if it weren't for Romneycare and his obvious efforts after the fact to spin and spin like it's such a conservative thing, I don't think anyone would see Romney as anti-business--the idea is absurd on the facee of it. I really don't get what the heck he's doing with the healthcare thing--I get his point about making people pay instead of having others foot the bill, but he sure seems to have hopped aboard the train as a way of appealing to the supposed middle by saying he's a compassionate conservative or whatever. What is it with him and former oilman Bush, with big business backgrounds, wanting to do something for The Little People, with OUR money?

20 posted on 06/04/2010 4:02:09 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Diogenesis
The size of Alaska makes her fit for the presidency?

Of all the reasons to support Palin that is, no offense meant, the lamest. Seriously, what does the size of the state, which is one of the least-populous, have to do with anything at all? She still seemed to govern from inside an office, right?

21 posted on 06/04/2010 4:04:29 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Darkwolf377

Romney could handle the job? He didn’t quit? Are you kidding me?

He completely rolled over for the Dems in the MA legislature, he quit actually tending to his gubernatorial responsibilities and started campaigning for president close to full time only two years into his one term and yes, his self-proclaimed signature achievement was Romneycare which does move government into a bigger, more statist role.

I was there, he was a huge disappointment. But he can ‘handle’ the presidency?


22 posted on 06/04/2010 4:04:54 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Darkwolf377
Romney is very antibusiness with every tax disguised as a "FEE".

Wake up, RomneyBOT.

How can you possibly defend Romney?


“The Massachusetts Republican Party died last Tuesday.
The cause of death: failed leadership.

The party is survived by a few leftover legislators
and a handful of county officials and grassroots activists
who have been ignored for years.
Services will be public and a mass exodus of taxpayers will follow.
In lieu of flowers, send messages to Republican voters
warning them about a certain presidential candidate named Romney.”
- Boston Herald, 11/12/2006


"In 2006, while Romney was chairman of the National Republican
Governors Association - a group dedicated to electing more
Republican governors - his own hand-picked Republican successor
as governor lost badly to the Democrat, despite the fact that Republicans
have held the governorship in Massachusetts since 1990. Romney largely
ignored the Massachusetts elections and spent most of the time
during the campaign out of state building his presidential campaign.
He came back and publicly campaigned for the Republican candidate
the day before the general election!
“Locally, this is a rebuke to Mitt Romney and checking out within six months
after being elected and having accomplished almost nothing,”

[Jim] Rappaport [former chairman of the state Republican Party]."
- Boston Globe, 11/8/2006


"Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans,
has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced
,
instead tapping registered Democrats or independents -- including two gay lawyers who
have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found.
Of the 36 people Romney named to be judges or clerk magistrates, 23 are either registered Democrats
or unenrolled voters who have made multiple contributions to Democratic politicians
or who voted in Democratic primaries, state and local records show.
In all, he has nominated nine registered Republicans, 13 unenrolled voters,
and 14 registered Democrats."
- Boston Globe 7/25/2005


Romney Rewards one of the State's Leading Anti-Marriage Attorneys by Making him a Judge
Romney told the U.S. Senate on June 22, 2004, that the "real threat to the States is not the
constitutional amendment process, in which the states participate,
but activist judges who disregard the law and redefine marriage . . ."
Romney sounds tough but yet he had no qualms advancing the legal career of one
of the leading anti-marriage attorneys.
He nominated Stephen Abany to a District Court.
Abany has been a key player in the Massachusetts Lesbian and Gay Bar Association which,
in its own words, is "dedicated to ensuring that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decision
on marriage equality is upheld, and that any anti-gay amendment or legislation is defeated."
- U.S. Senate testimony by Gov. Mitt Romney, 6/22/2004 P>


"Romney announces he won't fill judicial vacancies before term ends
Despite his rhetoric about judicial activism, Romney announced that
he won't fill all the remaining vacancies during his term - but instead
leave them for his liberal Democrat successor!

Governor Mitt Romney pledged yesterday not to make a flurry of lame-duck
judicial appointments in the final days of his administration . . . David Yas,
editor of Lawyers Weekly, said Romney is "bucking tradition" by resisting the urge to
fill all remaining judgeships. "It is a tradition for governors to use that power to appoint judges
aggressively in the waning moments of their administration," Yas said.
He added that Romney has been criticized for failing to make judicial appointments.
"The legal community has consistently criticized him for not filling open seats quickly enough
and being a little too painstaking in the process and being dismissive of the input of the
Judicial Nominating Commission," Yas said.
- Boston Globe 11/2/2006



23 posted on 06/04/2010 4:09:57 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Darkwolf377
Happy, happy Romney IMPOSING RomneyCARE.


24 posted on 06/04/2010 4:16:07 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Safe...at least as much so as anybody in or likely to be in the Republican field, if not more so, and more so than the incumbent.

Sane...at least as much so as anybody in or likely to be in the Republican field, if not more so, and more so than the incumbent.

Selfless...as far as I can tell, she’s the least likely to be staying in politics for the fun of it.

Win. Win. Win.


25 posted on 06/04/2010 4:16:17 AM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Diogenesis
Freaking hyenas.


26 posted on 06/04/2010 4:17:44 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: 9YearLurker
Romney could handle the job? He didn’t quit? Are you kidding me?

No.

He completely rolled over for the Dems in the MA legislature,

You don't know your facts. On the Romneycare bill which you and I seem to agree on (and which Teddy Kennedy loved) vetoed major provisions which were in turn replaced by the democrats. This is a liberal democrat state. That's a fact. He did what he could in such a state, and indeed vetoed major, objectionable sections. Obviously this isn't enough for me, but he didn't completely roll for the Dems.

he quit actually tending to his gubernatorial responsibilities and started campaigning for president close to full time only two years into his one term and yes,

That's not true. His term ran from 2003 to January 2007; he formally announced in February of 2007. Of course he was doing work before that but I was here all that time and I don't recall any complaints about him not being around to do his job. I mean, which was it, he was creating Romneycare which he signed in 2006, or he was nowhere to be seen? As for leaving the governorship to campaign...as opposed to Palin, who didn't even fill out her term?

his self-proclaimed signature achievement was Romneycare which does move government into a bigger, more statist role.

OK, we both object to Romneycare, already dealt with.

I was there, he was a huge disappointment. But he can ‘handle’ the presidency?

Yes. You don't seem to be able to see a difference between someone being capable of doing the job, and someone doing a job as we would like it done ideologically. Just because I say someone can obviously perform the duties of a job doesn't mean I like them ideologically. I object to many of the things Truman, FDR, Wilson (all of whom did far more harm than good in their tenures), but they obviously were capable of doing the actual job. Obama is not.

Palin had a one-year tenure on a state board, which she quit; during a four-year term as governor, she took a couple of months off to campaign (which you find so objectionable in Romney, though he didn't even announce until the month after he left office), then quit the governorship after two years.

Is that sufficient experience to take command of the largest economy in the world when it is undergoing complicated, historic change?

27 posted on 06/04/2010 4:19:16 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Diogenesis
And of course Teddy laughing away.

We've already established that Romneycare is vile, and Romney has his fingerprints all over it. I'm trying to get some ideas about who could be a good candidate in a time when we should be exploiting the GOP cliche of the Big Businessman. I think Romney is trying to take advantage of that.

I am not supporting Romney anymore than I'm withdrawing my support from Palin. But these ideas and questions had better be answered by us, because you can be sure the Dems will be all over 'em.

28 posted on 06/04/2010 4:21:46 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Diogenesis
Romney is very antibusiness with every tax disguised as a "FEE". Wake up, RomneyBOT.

I was hoping we could discuss ideas, not toss around lies, which that is. I defy you to come up with pro-Romney posts by me.

How can you possibly defend Romney?

In the future, try reading before you toss around slurs like that.

It is posters like you who try to derail conversations that are beneficial to the party.

I guess saying Romneycare is a dealbreaker for me, and that I currently would vote for makes me a Romneybot?

Such simplistic and ignorant nonsense only makes the libs happy. Good going.

29 posted on 06/04/2010 4:24:05 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Darkwolf377

I was in and in the GOP and worked to get him in office. He most assuredly was traveling out-of-state on the flimsiest of excuses and being called on it, and Romneycare was one of the few governing initiatives that wasn’t driven by the Democrat legislature, which probably ran the state (and the governor) more than at any time in the Commonwealth’s ignomious political history.

Gov. Palin in contrast has a record of getting real achievements accomplished as governor, knowing how to inspire and how to lead. She’s clearly got a better grasp on nationwide influence, the media, clearly espousing and sticking to principles and just about anything else that is actually part of a president’s portfolio.


30 posted on 06/04/2010 4:24:53 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Diogenesis

BTW, for someone calling ME a Romneybot, you sure do quote the Kennedy-loving Boston Globe a lot...Obamabot?


31 posted on 06/04/2010 4:24:56 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Darkwolf377

Romney abdicated while he was Governor. Totally. Quitter.
He was more interested in running for President (and lost).
He was more interested in inviting in millions of illegal
alien Mexicans and S. Americans.

Shame on the carpetbagger.
Shame on you for defending such indefensible behavior.


32 posted on 06/04/2010 4:25:32 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: 9YearLurker
I was in and in the GOP and worked to get him in office. He most assuredly was traveling out-of-state on the flimsiest of excuses and being called on it, and Romneycare was one of the few governing initiatives that wasn’t driven by the Democrat legislature, which probably ran the state (and the governor) more than at any time in the Commonwealth’s ignomious political history.

That is an astonishing thing to assert. Robert Travaglini, Sal DiMasi, the House and Senate bills of 2005...this isn't the Dem legislature driving the healthcare initiative??

Gov. Palin in contrast has a record of getting real achievements accomplished as governor, knowing how to inspire and how to lead. She’s clearly got a better grasp on nationwide influence, the media, clearly espousing and sticking to principles and just about anything else that is actually part of a president’s portfolio.

That's all just assertion. Let's see facts.

Just asserting things isn't going to get us anywhere. What are all of these real accomplishments? She inspires, sure, but so does Obama (just not us), and where is the evidence she knows how to lead? I keep HEARING people say this--what are the examples? As for her grasp on the media--how can you say that after the way she's been utterly demolished by the media?

33 posted on 06/04/2010 4:31:24 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Diogenesis
Romney abdicated while he was Governor. Totally. Quitter.

Romney served 4 years of his term.

Palin served two, and quit.

He was more interested in running for President (and lost).

He announced his candidacy after he finished his term.

Palin ran for VP. (And lost.)

Seems to me Reagan ran for the presidency and lost a couple of times, too. Sure didn't hurt him or us, ultimately.

He was more interested in inviting in millions of illegal alien Mexicans and S. Americans.

Well, one more reason why I don't support him for the presidency. You seem to have missed that part.

Shame on the carpetbagger.

Good lordy, not that old saw. Yeah, those rotten carpetbaggers, how dare they actually move around this incrediuble country. They shjould all just have stayed where they were born, like, uh, Reagan, Palin...

Shame on you for defending such indefensible behavior.

Please point out where I defended any "indefensible" behavior.

I

34 posted on 06/04/2010 4:35:59 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Diogenesis
Romney abdicated while he was Governor. Totally. Quitter. He was more interested in running for President (and lost). He was more interested in inviting in millions of illegal alien Mexicans and S. Americans. Shame on the carpetbagger. Shame on you for defending such indefensible behavior

This is just the kind of post I was afraid of. I don't know why people are afraid of discussing things. People who rely only on emotions and can't discuss facts logically and dispassionately will kill this party just as they're rotting the dems.

Back to your regularly-scheduled thread...

35 posted on 06/04/2010 4:38:19 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Darkwolf377

Romneycare was the initiative that Mitt preened about to the press as being the result of his great, deep, problem-solver thinking. He wrapped himself up in it at every chance he had.

And Palin’s accomplishments—from the new pipeline to becoming a national-debate-changing best-selling author and ratings-driving commentator and essayist—are there and obvious and measurable.


36 posted on 06/04/2010 4:45:57 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Darkwolf377

Palin’s a walk-in if she runs, in politics winning is what counts. T. Kennedy and algorejr. were both half-wits, but most of that was kept from the public so long as they counted on to hold a seat etc. Imagine if Palin were a democrat,,the MSM etc. would be bombarding us promoting her qualifications or sweeping the subject aside, and never mind cause she’ll have ‘’handlers’’, aids etc.so she’s OK.


37 posted on 06/04/2010 4:53:01 AM PDT by Waco
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To: 9YearLurker
Romneycare was the initiative that Mitt preened about to the press as being the result of his great, deep, problem-solver thinking. He wrapped himself up in it at every chance he had.

Once again, as I've stated over and over...I agree--that's why i don't support him.

And Palin’s accomplishments—from the new pipeline

How is that her personal accomplishment?

to becoming a national-debate-changing

What debate has she changed?

best-selling author and ratings-driving commentator and essayist—

Oy vey....

are there and obvious and measurable.

Publishing political memoirs and answering questions she's asked on TV?

Is this really our standard now?

Have a good day.

38 posted on 06/04/2010 4:53:37 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Waco
Palin’s a walk-in if she runs, in politics winning is what counts.

I think this is something we assume because WE like her. I've yet to see a single poll that indicates anything like this.

Of course polls in themselves don't tell us much, but polls over time do indicate direction. I've never seen any poll that shows this, which is the main reason I'm thinking we need to get going on a vigorous debate with more choices. (And I still don't think she'll run. She may have found her spot right where she is now.)

T. Kennedy and algorejr. were both half-wits, but most of that was kept from the public so long as they counted on to hold a seat etc. Imagine if Palin were a democrat,,the MSM etc. would be bombarding us promoting her qualifications or sweeping the subject aside, and never mind cause she’ll have ‘’handlers’’, aids etc.so she’s OK.

You've perfectly articulated why I think she has such an uphill struggle. Gore and Kennedy had the support of the very people who loathe Palin--that's why we respect her BUT it's also the reality we've been complaining about for decades. And now some of us seem to think that just doesn't matter cuz we feel so passionately about her.

People have to step back, look at the facts, and see what's really up. Because if we don't, we end up with " "conservatives" splitting the primaries, Rockefeller Republicans and McCain nominations.

39 posted on 06/04/2010 4:58:07 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I love it when the left tells us how to vote. This joker KNOWS that a Mitt Romney nomination guarantees Obama four more years. THAT is his motivation here.


40 posted on 06/04/2010 6:22:14 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And by the way, I’m going to go way out on a limb and guess that this guy takes for granted that the incumbent passes the 3S test with flying colors. Which says more about his judgment than he probably wants you to know.


41 posted on 06/04/2010 6:37:48 AM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: onyx

LOL...thanks for the info on McGregor. Moonbats...they’re everywhere.


42 posted on 06/04/2010 6:51:58 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: Darkwolf377
Romney is a quitter. Every newspaper in Boston said so.

Romney is a loser adored by his servant RomneyBOT like yourself.

How bad a governor was Mitt Romney?

ANSWER: Romney brought down Massachusetts to be the 48th lowest state in employment.
====> 48th lowest. Got that?
And Mitt RomneyCARE alone refused to endorse Pres. Bush’s tax cut proposal.

"(Under the lash of Mitt RomneyCARE) as U.S. real output grew
13 percent between 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts trailed at 9 percent.
* Manufacturing employment fell 7 percent nationwide those years, but sank 14 percent under Romney, placing Massachusetts 48th among the states.
* Between fall 2003 and autumn 2006, U.S. job growth averaged 5.4 percent, nearly three times Massachusetts' anemic 1.9 percent pace.
* While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.
"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.
In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal."
[Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.]


43 posted on 06/04/2010 9:09:51 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Darkwolf377
Romney is a taxer (hidden as Fees and RomneyCARE).

FACTOID OF THE DAY:

As Gov of Massachusetts, Romney managed to raise taxes on New Hampshire residents.

How Romney is that?

44 posted on 06/04/2010 9:10:51 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You forgot the alert.

phasers barf

45 posted on 06/04/2010 9:12:44 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Big ears ran as the messiah, but is turning out to be just a plain old mess.)
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To: Darkwolf377
"Romney abdicated while he was Governor. Totally. Quitter.
He was more interested in running for President (and lost).
He was more interested in inviting in millions of illegal alien Mexicans and S. Americans.
Shame on the carpetbagger. Shame on you for defending such indefensible behavior.

Darkwolf377: This is just the kind of post I was afraid of.
I don't know why people are afraid of discussing things. "

Dont be afraid and don't despair. Romney has exposed himself
for the backstabbing SOB he is. Coward he is,
having Team Romney attack a handicapped child. Disgusting RomneyBOTs.


The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++4 to 10 pts
in some polls, days prior to Election 2008.
So rather than helping the GOP, Romney and
TeamROMNEY decided …… to attack Gov. Palin to throw Election2008.

So did TEAM ROMNEY apologize and remove the saboteurs? or promote them? NO. No.

"Frum was indeed a critic of Palin, calling her nomination a "huge mistake" during an October 13 (2008, weeks before the election) Early Show appearance."


David Frum: "Two of our most plausible candidates for president in 2012 are leading Mormons: Mitt Romney and Utah governor Jon Huntsman."


David Frum: "I have a lot of regard for Mitt Romney as a man and politician… I will support him without qualm."


Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers…
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide…
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
"Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."


The Palmetto Scoop reported: "One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"I’m told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palin’s people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romney’s former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
… aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw
that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.


Erick Erickson, who organized Operation Leper, said:
"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off ….hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."


"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."


Kathleen Parker: "[I]t is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem." "Parker ... says something publicly that many of us have thought privately
but lacked the courage to say out loud - Palin should step down:"


"Kathleen Parker: After Interviews, Palin Should Bow Out"


Kathleen Parker: "Romney would bring more than squeaky clean qualifications
and youthful good looks to the ticket.
Romney would seem a logical choice."


"Parker: Romney raised bar on freedoms"
Kathleen Parker: "If Kennedy's speech was an important landmark in American political history,
Romney's was surpassing. With heartfelt humility and poetic eloquence,
he tracked the nation's struggle with and for freedom."


Staggering bigotry of Kathleen Parker - UPDATED"


Who benefits most from Sanford meltdown? Californian (that's right) Mitt Romney


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"



46 posted on 06/04/2010 9:22:54 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Darkwolf377
BOTTOM LINE:


47 posted on 06/04/2010 9:26:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Darkwolf377

What business/economic background did then Governor Reagan have when he ran for president? It’s not a presidents job to “run” the economy, it’s his/her position to make it easier for companies to be able to thrive. Lower taxes, less regulations, that sort of thing.


48 posted on 06/04/2010 9:40:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What business/economic background did then Governor Reagan have when he ran for president?

Being governor of a state that is one of the world's largest economies.

It’s not a presidents job to “run” the economy, it’s his/her position to make it easier for companies to be able to thrive. Lower taxes, less regulations, that sort of thing.

You know as well as I do that saying a president "runs" an economy is just shorthand for what a president does, just like saying he's "in charge" of this that or the other thing. Let's not let rhetorical utilities be a mask for what we all know is the truth, or a block to healthy debate.

49 posted on 06/04/2010 7:52:41 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: Diogenesis
A cartoonist simply SAYS Palin has executive experience, so that's the bottom line?

It's troubling that whenever this question comes up, all anyone around here seems to say is "She has lots, and you're a Romneybot!"

Assertion isn't evidence. Sorry, THAT's the bottom line.

50 posted on 06/04/2010 7:53:53 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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