Skip to comments.Taking Palin's Chances Seriously (Mild Barf Alert)
Posted on 07/23/2010 12:40:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I guess its time we did. Palin is one of the top two contenders for the nomination right now. She is the only candidate with an actual and substantial popular base of support, the only one who can generate real popular enthusiasm. She has little in the way of an organization of her own, but shes the candidate in the best position to coopt the organization that the Tea Party Movement is building. And to the extent that her endorsements are perceived to have made a real difference in the primaries (as, after Georgia, they are beginning to be), that will speak loudly to local GOP bigwigs.
Her strongest competition is Mitt Romney, who is strong where Palin is weak obvious intelligence, establishment backing, proven ability to run an actual campaign for President, strong organizational skills and a deep political organization but who is strikingly weak where Palin is strong. In fact, Romney is pretty much exactly the candidate Palin wants to run against: someone who generates little popular enthusiasm, comes off as phony, is a member of the elite and the establishment, is easy to tar as a fence-sitter and position-changer and a man with surprisingly little sex appeal for somebody so objectively good-looking. And he got beat last time by a guy with no organization, no money, and who nobody in the GOP establishment really wanted to see win. And hes a Mormon. Whose first career was as a Wall Street banker. Who signed a health care plan as governor of Massachusetts that looks a lot like the one President Obama signed for the whole country. Dont get me wrong Romney has a very real shot at the nomination. But hes not the strongest horse Ive ever seen.
Who else is in the race? Huckabee is weaker than Palin where she is strong and not notably strong where she is weak and hes at least as unacceptable to the powers that be in the GOP. And then theres the parade of governors Jindal, Pawlenty, Barbour, Daniels, Perry, possibly Christie or somebody else Ive forgotten. Once upon a time Mark Sanford was on that list. And then theres Newt Gingrich, a man who may actually have more Republican enemies than Democratic ones. I really do feel like if any of these guys was going to be a serious contender, wed have heard about it by now. Pawlentys the only one whos definitely running, and Perry is the only one who could consolidate a lot of support quickly if the opportunity arose.
That makes it sound like weve basically got a two-person race and well see who wins. But the GOP establishment, such as it is, must be terrified of a Palin campaign, and will want to quash her candidacy somehow. After all, if she runs against them, and wins, then theyve been defeated. Thats bad enough. If she then runs disastrously in the general election and all indications are that she would the party suffers a massive defeat. Thats worse. And if she wins the general election? Well, lets leave aside what that means for the country and assume were just dealing with self-interested individuals worried about their own political futures. If Sarah Palin wins the Presidency, then she reshapes her party to suit her preferences. And anybody who came out strongly against her will be in the doghouse for years. She is not a with malice toward none, with charity for all type of Republican.
Moreover, even if they get on-board with her, I have a hard time picturing them being comfortable trusting her. Again, assume they dont care whether she has any idea what shes doing and assume they dont care what happens to the country. Just in terms of political trust will this person return my favors; will this person play the game Palins got to have a really high wall to climb. Really high.
So no doubt they want to stop her before it gets to that point. How can they do it?
They cant expect the gasbags to do it for them, because its not in their interest. Attacking Palin would be bad business for Limbaugh or Beck or whoever if only because it would divide their audience. They cant expect the mainstream media to do it for them because of the limited influence the regular media has in Republican circles. And they cant do it themselves directly because they dont act in concert, and anybody who sticks his neck out first is liable to get it chopped off.
Their first, entirely reasonable hope is going to be that she does it to herself. That she fails to build an effective network of support. That she has a massive falling out with leaders of the Tea Party over some esoteric point or other. That she gets blamed for some high-profile midterm losses and responds by lashing out at her critics, making her seem like even more of a loser. That she just gets old, and people move on to something new. If any of that happens, the race opens up. And all of that is very possible. Im skeptical that Palin can easily be stopped by anybody outside pointing out her deficiencies. But one debate where she looks scared of the competition, or where she comes off as whiny and defensive, and should could drop like a rock, because shes a celebrity candidate; if her persona cracks she has nothing to fall back on.
But if her strategy works on her terms, then the GOP has a problem.
If that happens, the GOP will need to convince Romney to go kamikaze. Which may not be that hard. Romney has absolutely got to win this time. Palin could put together a career as a media superstar or political kingmaker even if she loses, provided she goes out the right way. Huckabee certainly seems to be enjoying his show. The various worthy governors probably have as good a shot in 2016 as they do now, assuming the GOP loses in 2012. Heck, they all probably would settle for Vice President anyway, and its pretty easy to see Jindal or Daniels taking the job of being President Palins brain. But Romneys already been running for President for four years. Hes got nowhere else to go. And he has no hope of having a role in a Palin Administration. While others might have reason to appease Palin, Romney has none. The only reason for him not to try to destroy her is if he thinks hes more likely to win without doing that, and in the scenario were worrying about thats not the case. Of course, throwing everything at her probably damages Romney more than it does her but he may have no choice at some point but to try it. And if he can damage her enough that both of them have very high negatives among Republicans, then someone like Rick Perry could enter relatively late, swoop in and snatch the nomination. And Romney can console himself with being Treasury Secretary or something.
So thats the way I expect things to play out. One or two very plausible candidates who may not be sure about running will wait in the wings for a bit. If Palin flames out and Romney doesnt connect, then we have an open race. If it looks like Romney is running away with it, they stay out. If it looks like a Palin insurgency could actually win, pressure comes down on Romney to put her away, and the new establishment favorite becomes the candidate that the Palinites can reconcile themselves to.
I should say, as an aside, that we should all really hope that Palin does not get the nomination, whether were Republicans or Democrats. I admit, I liked her for about five minutes, before she opened her mouth. But, as I later concluded, shes a shallow and demagogic politician, someone who would be an absolute disaster for the country. I know there are some Democrats who think itd be a good thing if she were nominated because shed be easier to beat, but the big drivers of the election are going to be the unemployment rate and events on the war front, and if both go badly the Republicans could probably nominate a ham sandwich and get some traction. Theyd certainly be able to get some traction with a nominee who has the keen gut instincts that a successful demagogue like Sarah Palin has to have.
Obvious intelligence? Wow, what a dig. I’ll take natural intelligence, thank you very much. It’s a mighty big assumption that Palin isn’t setting up a network as she meets people from all over the U.S.
The problem is that if you sit down with 100 Republican-leaning individuals in the heartland...and put out the group of Romney, Palin, and Huckabee....there’s not a majority for any of the three. Each has a branch of the public who supports them for special reasons...but beyond that...not much else.
Romney can’t win in the south because folks want to bring up religion. Huckabee doesn’t exactly have the best debate skills in the world and it’s obvious. Palin is this wildcard that a fair number of folks can’t vision as President (at least not yet).
Then somewhere in the shadows...you’ve got Jeb Bush and Chris Christie of New Jersey. Either could probably pick up a quick twenty percent of the polls if they indicated an interest in running.
NO MORE BUSHES!!! This isn’t a banana republic, we shouldn’t have dynasties.
Mitt Romney is a failure, unqualified, who blames others LIKE OBAMA
Worse, Mitt Romney is mentally ill and hallucinates.
"Mitt Romney Lies About Father Marching With Martin Luther King, Jr."
"Mitt Romney has been caught in yet another lie.
Only yesterday Romneys claim of not supporting Planned Parenthood abortion mills was abruptly smashed by a photograph surfacing of him at one of their fundraisers in 1994.
Today, its Romneys claim that his father marched with famed civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr.
During his Im a Mormon but it doesnt matter speech, Mitt Romney claimed he saw his father,
George Romney, marching with MLK during a 1968 civil rights march through Grosse Pointe, Michigan.
It was a stirring account of the efforts of his father to show that the Romney family have always reached across ecumenical lines.
Only one little problem it never happened."
"Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald.
Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said:
"My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit."
"Yesterday (12/20/07), Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom acknowledged that was not true.
"Mitt Romney did not march with Martin Luther King,"
he said in an e-mail statement to the Globe.
Against Myth Romney is 1:
"On Sunday, June 23, 1963, 125,000 people marched down Detroit's Woodward Avenue
to the Civic Center, in what was described at the time as the largest civil-rights demonstration in the nation's history.
According to the next day's account in the Holland Evening Sentinel,
the crowd at the Center "lustily booed," when representatives of Governor George W. Romney
read a proclamation declaring "Freedom March Day in Michigan." But Martin Luther King Jr. didn't fault Romney for his absence,
which the governor ascribed to his policy against public appearances on the Sabbath.
"At a news conference following the march . .
[King] refused to criticize Romney for not attending the demonstration," the Sentinel reported."
Against Myth Romney is 2:
Susan Englander, assistant editor of the Martin Luther King Jr. Papers Project at Stanford University, who is editing the King papers from that era,
says Myth Romney was untruthful, when she told the Globe yesterday:
"I researched this question, and indeed it is untrue that George Romney marched with [Dr.] King."
Against Myth Romney is 3:
"King never marched in Grosse Pointe, according to the Grosse Pointe Historical Society,
and had not appeared in the town at all at the time the Broder book was published.
Im quite certain of that, says Suzy Berschback, curator of the Grosse Pointe Historical Society"
While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.
"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.
In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal."
[Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.]
I don't think we will see these type of calculated machinations, such as a Republican contender preferring to see the Democrat win in order to be well-positioned in 2016.
I think the right side of the country will coalesce around whoever emerges as the leading challenger to Obama.
I think it will dawn on people that if Obama manages to get a second term and another congressional majority, that he will move into a highly-radicalized mode in which the basic historic rights of Americans, such as free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and freedom to bear arms, will be eliminated. This will lead into a civil war such as Russia, Germany, Spain and other countries went through in the 20th century but America was spared, and can be avoided by defeating Obama and restoring the constitutional system.
In other words, the seriousness of what is at stake will be apparent, and the two sides will harden and consolidate. From the progressive point of view, if they win all the marbles then that will be the last time they will have to endure such a thing as a pesky election, at least in the real sense as opposed to the soviet variety.
In other words, just the kind of candidate the Pubbie establishment types love.
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
“in the best position to coopt the organization that the Tea Party Movement is building”
These presstitutes still don’t get it. We cannot be coopted. We’re doing the coopting. Get on board, GOP wannabes, or lose. RINOs (Mitt and you Mittbots, this means you) need not apply...
Newt would in now way help Sarah, and his high negatives would hurt her. She would be much better off, if nominated, selecting a competent, conservative governor like Jindal or Christie.
Sorry, this is a bannana republic. That’s what we’re fighting to change...
The comment written by “section9” at the link is interesting.
It’s interesting how liberal journalists (I’m thinking this guy is one, based on tone and content) are undone by their prejudices—they think that since the average Republican is just plain stooopid, so much less intelligent than a lib, then of course a lib can figure out the Republican PARTY in seconds.
Liberals have so many blind spots when it comes to the right, and one they are always blinded by is that when conservatives are unabashedly conservative, they can win where it previously seemed they didn’t have a chance.
Huckabee, Gingrich and Romney are so incredibly unattractive in different ways to large enough groups of people that while I can see them getting the nomination, I think all three are losers against Obama. Palin is our best choice of the group running, but I don’t know if she can beat Obama (spare me the polls, which mean nothing at this point, including those showing Palin being unpopular).
I don’t think she can pull it off, but we gain nothing by putting up these weak, tired Country Club types like Romney, or these unattractive and flawed Huckabee types, and we at least have a shot with her.
Newt? Who would be scheming every second? No way,no how.
I don’t know the age of the writer,his past affiliations but if i was to ever be handed an article and asked,”journo list,yes or no?”,then i would have to say this opinion piece encompasses all the trite,venom and trash that i have read about from those people.
I lost count of the number of backhanded slaps he threw at Palin and i have no intention of going through it again to count but that was no intellectual exercise meant to see who the nominee might be but rather a vicious attack on the one candidate that he fears will change the countries direction.
If Sarah Palin wins the Presidency, then she reshapes her party to suit her preferences. And anybody who came out strongly against her will be in the doghouse for years. She is not a with malice toward none, with charity for all type of Republican.
Bwaahahahaha! Now who could be worried about that?
the left tells us which candidate they prefer. Romney!
the left tells us which candidate they fear the most. Palin!
... what happened to their hope that Palin win the nomination so that she could lose against Obama. Easy victory for Obama right?
Romney needs to prove he’s better at tearing down Obama if he wants the nomination, than Palin. Showing us how well you tear down Palin only turns people away.
I think Palin has the best chance of winning against Obama compared to the others, but the country made not be ready by 2012. We could still be in this malaise economically and voters are still willing to give Obama another chance. If we experience a stockmarket crash, increasing job lost, $2trillion+ deficit per year, crashing USD. Palin will have a great chance of winning the general election. Still too many people believe stimulus help the economy, even amongst the establishment GOP
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the president get to pick the head of his/her party once he/she is elected?
That right there is worth my vote, amongst many other things.
Agree Palin can beat obozo and 2012 will be her best shot. Most independents and more libs are seeing and experiencing the disaster of obomanomics and want real change.
This will be the best time to run as a strong conservative and be willing to call out the rats for who they are - socialists. Sarah has demonstrated she has the strength and will to be upfront with these alinsky communists.
see my tagline....
“Her strongest competition is Mitt Romney, who is strong where Palin is weak obvious intelligence”
I could have stopped reading right there. The guy is about as perceptive as a turnip. Did he read the takedown of Mitt’s argument(ghost written by Jim Talent)concerning the START treaty? Intelligent? Why? becasue he read it somewhere.
“They cant expect the gasbags to do it for them, because its not in their interest. Attacking Palin would be bad business for Limbaugh”
Thinks Rush is a “gasbag” Well, he thinks Romney has obvious intelligence. “Obvious” perceptual problem, Noah.
“But if her strategy works on her terms, then the GOP has a problem.
If that happens, the GOP will need to convince Romney to go kamikaze....Which may not be that hard... If it looks like a Palin insurgency could actually win, pressure comes down on Romney to put her away, and the new establishment favorite becomes the candidate that the Palinites can reconcile themselves to.”
Romney, go kamikake and take Palin out? This poor little dude has absolutely no idea of how a GOP primary works. And he certainly knows nothing about Mitt Romney. Romney wouldn’t go kamikaze on a bowl of jello. If ANYONE tried to go kamikaze on Palin, she would eviscerate them. The MSM has been trying to do it for two years now and it has blown up in their collective faces. But Mittens can do the job, according to this little snark.
A little more background on this guy. I saw him referred to as a conservative blogger. He loved McCain but voted for Obama. He loves Michael Bloomberg. He supported Livni, the “whack job” Labor Candidate in Israel. Some “conservative”.
I don’t mind the fact that the guy is tendentious; or that he is so consistently wrong, even obtuse;
BUT HIS PROSE IS POSITIVELY TURGID, and I refuse to read anything he writes again. He is a very poor writer, who is nonetheless quite pleased with himself. What a guy.
Hello....Madam President has much of these traits than the current pretender in chief or mittens
I am so tired of PDS....
That said, his strategery is interesting. Romney's a douche who will undoubtedly go after Palin mean and dirty. But that will only reinforce his douchosity and finish him politically. He can move on to selling used cars, as God intended.
I'm not at all convinced Palin is running and I actually think she would be better served to another role. She could help pick a real conservative candidate, then endorse, campaign fundraise etc for him. Then accept a cabinet position (Secretary of Energy?) in the next administration, in prep for her own presidential run down the road.
I'll vote for her if she runs now, but I think she needs to build a national career and reputation to overcome the media template that's been laid out for her.
Allow me to address your assertions...
“by Noah Millman”
Never heard of him.
Yes, section9’s comments were interesting. Very.
I don't agree.. Newt knows how "it works".. knows the many pitfalls and gambits of Congress.. Knows how to work the system.. And as VeeP could advise her closely(with advice)... John McLame is just a milstone around her neck..
She could use an "old pro" while being President.. or even while campaigning.. She should pull the best of the best as advisors.. including Dick Morris.. YEAH!.. I know.. but he could add a look into democrat logistics most maybe ANY republican would not "get"..
Exactly.. THATS WHY?.. he would so useful...
As VeeP he could be contained.. he is no Biden...
Smartest move she could make would be to add Newt on the team...
Even NOT as VeeP... but as VeeP he would have something to lose..
Please,he’s completely marginalized already. This is not a matter of keeping your enemies closer.
Please,he’s completely marginalized already. This is not a matter of keeping your enemies closer.
If you are a Palin voter, you are voting top of the ticket regardless of who she runs with. For the many Republicans / Independents who think Palin is not a good candidate, they will be looking at the VP slot...Gingrich is Palin’s Dick Cheney....magritte
Its true.. some conservatives are short sighted.. looking for perfection..
Not all but some..
If Romney was good Mass. citizens wouldn't like him.. THEY DO..
If the Huckster was good he wouldn't be such a RINO weakling...
The others barely register on electability..
Nope... Palin / Gingrich is the best TICKET...
Newt marginalized?... are you nuts..
All the ethics charges against Newt are bull steam...
As those leveled against Sarah Palin in Alaska were and are..
Sure he copt to one of them.. but Newt is a force to reckoned with...
He knows things about Congress Palin will never know..
Romney and the Huckster are too friendly with the BAD GUYS...
AND the faux good guys meaning the RINOs... which are cross dressed democrats..
You deal with the bad with power.. the power of the truth..
You eviscerate them not haggle with them..
Is that you, David Axelrod?
No... its me the extremely extreme extremist...
That wasn’t Newt sitting on a bench with Pelosi?
Yes it was.. pretty sneaky of him to glom on to a visit with the Queen of Mean.. the Queen of Hearts.. in the democrat wonderland..
Shes merely a brain dead demon possessed democrat...
Taking a good shower can wash all that off...
Shuush.. (secret communique) DEMOCRATS TALK TOO MUCH... he's a genius...
Sorry but there’s no shower in the world going to clean Newt off from that.
You want CLEAN?... CLEAN?... Politics is dirty..
The only clean you're gong to get is a delusion...
Democrats are very good at that.. having "clean" candidates..
Nothing dirtier than a RINO... filthy turncoats..
Like: Snarlin Arlen.. the demos are riding him like a rented donkey..
Also; anyone elected from Maine.. or Mass...