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Careful what you wish for, progressives [Nutroots for Palin in straw poll, think she's weak]
Salon ^ | July 27, 2010 | Ned Resnikoff

Posted on 07/27/2010 12:15:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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So now 20 year olds have the expertise to lecture to us? I see this column as both denial and whistling past the graveyard. Governor Palin would have a built-in base of perhaps 50-80 million voters before she even declared. What do you think?
1 posted on 07/27/2010 12:15:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reminds me of republicans who were begging for Obama to win, even voted for him in the primary because they thought he would be the easiest to beat..how did that work out..yeah exactly my point.


2 posted on 07/27/2010 12:17:23 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I will pray that the Nutroots will get their wish. Palin will eat these fools alive.


3 posted on 07/27/2010 12:19:58 PM PDT by Gator113 (God save the Republic.....)
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To: onyx; Brices Crossroads; Virginia Ridgerunner

Ping


4 posted on 07/27/2010 12:24:38 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Please consider the logging and timber industries when printing this tagline)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Independents will not vote for Obama again, at least very few anyway. Little of what brought out the youth and minority vote for Obama in such massive numbers will still be applicable. We will have already had the first black candidate, Obama isn’t hip anymore in any way, he has shown himself to be a massive failure with the economy, and he has really blown it in a spectacular way with the BP spill. Finally, he has not brought the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama will get his arse handed to him by Palin.


5 posted on 07/27/2010 12:27:56 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (In the White House the mighty White House the Liar sleeps tonight.............)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A little walk down memory lane: Thinking that Ronald Reagan was a ticket to a second term, Jimmy Carter felt sadness in 1979 that Reagan had little chance to be the Republican nominee, according to U.S. News & World Report:
White House political strategists have concluded—regretfully—that Ronald Reagan is fading and will have little chance of winning the Republican presidential nomination in 1980. Why the regrets? Because Carter's aides are convinced that the conservative, 68-year-old former California governor is an easy target. (April 2, 1979)
Historic Whispers: Ronald Reagan Had Little Chance of Winning the Primary
6 posted on 07/27/2010 12:31:22 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I think is that for all the love for Palin, I’m looking for actual evidence that she can win a presidential race.

I’m not even sure what kind of evidence there CAN be at this point. Old articles that show someone thought Reagan would lose doesn’t cut it—one can find such articles about every presidential candidate who ever ran.

So what do people see as indicators that she can win—I don’t mean just that one LIKES her, but that she can win?


7 posted on 07/27/2010 12:34:57 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Barack Obama, the Coleman Francis of presidents.)
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Look at it this way: About 60% of Americans call themselves conservative vs. 20% liberal in polls. Do you really think that the economy will heal by 2012? Many facets of ObamaCare and FinReg will kick in between now and then. Whoever gets the GOP nomination will be in the catbird seat.


8 posted on 07/27/2010 12:50:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Soapbox & Ballot Box or Ammo Box.)
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More so than Dole-McCain-Romney-Huckabee-Gengrich.

Do you have any suggestions?

9 posted on 07/27/2010 12:54:26 PM PDT by cicero2k
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So what do people see as indicators that she can win—I don’t mean just that one LIKES her, but that she can win?

More so than Dole-McCain-Romney-Huckabee-Gengrich.

Do you have any suggestions?

10 posted on 07/27/2010 12:54:48 PM PDT by cicero2k
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More so than Dole-McCain-Romney-Huckabee-Gengrich.

That's not an answer to my question, though I understand your point.

Do you have any suggestions?

I'm looking for an answer to this question, I don't have any answers--I support her because she's the only one possibly running who I could vote for, period. But I am looking for evidence she can win--just because I support her doesn't mean I believe she can win.

It's alarming to me that people can't answer this question (not just you). I'm not a Superfan the way some are, she's basically a fallback choice for me. I hear a lot of support, but see little evidence she can win.

11 posted on 07/27/2010 12:58:42 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Barack Obama, the Coleman Francis of presidents.)
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I get what you’re seeing, but I recall much of the same reasoning going on before Clinton and Obama won, too—”too liberal!”

How many times have we been sure there was no way libs would win?

Again, you’re talking about an abstract theory—not saying you’re wrong, but what indicators are there that Palin can win. If it’s just that anyone can win against Obama, I fear Romney will get the “acceptable” vote like Dole and McCain, and I have my own theories as to why Romney can’t win.


12 posted on 07/27/2010 1:01:28 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Barack Obama, the Coleman Francis of presidents.)
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“So what do people see as indicators that she can win—I don’t mean just that one LIKES her, but that she can win?”

She has consistently scored high unfavorables. Not good.

On another forum a smart guy opined that he had no doubt she could get the GOP nomination, but was equally sure she would not win the general.


13 posted on 07/27/2010 1:04:51 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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So what do people see as indicators that she can win—I don’t mean just that one LIKES her, but that she can win?

Simple---just look at the sheer size of the crowds she draws EVERYWHERE she goes...even out in the desert on a blustery day.


14 posted on 07/27/2010 1:08:28 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Darkwolf377
Governor Romney is Senators Dole and McCain without the military “hero” aspect and with the stumbling block of his religion added in. We will truly get shellacked with him as the standard-bearer. Gov. Jindahl’s too young and may have nbc issues, Gov. Barbour is too Southern and overweight (ditto Huckabee) and people like DeMint, Ryan, Thune and etc. are relative unknowns in the public eye. Who, besides Governor Palin, is there, really? She's been doing the hard work of “refudiating” Obama’s nonsense and getting Republicans elected.
15 posted on 07/27/2010 1:09:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Soapbox & Ballot Box or Ammo Box.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I don’t see drawing crowds as evidence she can win a national election.


16 posted on 07/27/2010 1:12:13 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Barack Obama, the Coleman Francis of presidents.)
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I'm looking for an answer to this question, I don't have any answers--I support her because she's the only one possibly running who I could vote for, period. But I am looking for evidence she can win--just because I support her doesn't mean I believe she can win.

Here's the way I look at it. Right now, I believe she's the singular person on the conservative side (perhaps more than anyone else right now) that is presenting a genuine challenge and alternative to Obama. She's done something that I didn't think was possible from anyone even related to the GOP and that's use the Internet (specifically social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter) to her advantage and really to the conservative cause's advantage. Yes, others on the right have done this and we can look no further than FR as evidence of that. But I don't think that's something to completely discount. John McCain from what I remember had mentioned that he didn't know how to use the internet himself and his running mate seems to have been the complete opposite, in that aspect and others.

Further, I don't think that any of the other candidates rumored to be in the ring are setting the world on fire. Palin might still be the worst candidate, except for all the others (to paraphrase Churchill). But I'm not going to hitch my wagon to anyone else...yet.

17 posted on 07/27/2010 1:14:57 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Please consider the logging and timber industries when printing this tagline)
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To: Darkwolf377

1. She was Alaska’s governor and has conservative recored.
2. She was a mayor of an Alaskan town and has a conservative record.
3. She cleaned Biden’s clock in the vice presidential debate.
4. She’s the only conservative leader with national recognition.
5. She’s the only conservative leader who has mastered the sound bite game the Demrats play so well.
6. She’s the only conservative leader who explains her positions and the Constitution in clear and terse English.
7. She’s the only avowed Conservative leader whose position I can predict on any given issue.
8. It is undeniable that Juan McBipartisan has embraced conservative positions since Palin’s endorsement.

I know it’s chic to pretend this woman just dropped into the world when McCain picked her her for VEEP. But she had a recorded political life long before that.


18 posted on 07/27/2010 1:18:51 PM PDT by dools007
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Great post, and you’ve summed up my feelings, too. I think it’s great that she’s far more nimble than any other GOP candidate and has led the way for others to use 21st-century communications technology. Which is why some of her jaw-droppingly bad TV appearances shock the heck out of me.

But your last comment says it all. She’s all I’ve got.


19 posted on 07/27/2010 1:21:05 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Barack Obama, the Coleman Francis of presidents.)
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Well then, considering that ALL of these people coming out to see her are voters, I don't know what else to tell you since you are demanding an abstract rather than accepting something far more concrete like crowd enthusiasm and size.

Just look at Obama's crowds from 2008...that was clear evidence of his National "electability" (a word I detest!).

So what other Republican besides Palin can generate the same level of intensity in their respective voting bases?

20 posted on 07/27/2010 1:22:07 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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