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Ron Paulís Shocking Message To The Tea Party (Doesn't like today's rally) [Tinfoil Alert]
Digital Meeting Center ^ | August 28, 2010

Posted on 08/28/2010 1:55:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Ron Paul has some surprising news for the Tea Party:

You’re being taken for a ride.

At least this is what many libertarians like Ron Paul believe when they see someone like Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin trying to lead the Tea Party at the “restoring honor” rally this weekend. In fact, Ron Paul believes, if you’re looking for real freedom, you should really go back to the core of the constitution and the bill of rights, which Beck and Palin do not fully endorse when you really look at their beliefs. Whether it be Palin’s support for starting more wars or Beck’s beliefs on paying the private Federal Reserve MORE interest on our money by means of a VAT tax.

Ron Paul believes in neither of the above.

Here was Ron Paul’s message to the Tea Party via The New York Times just the other day:

“As many frustrated Americans who have joined the Tea Party realize, we cannot stand against big government at home while supporting it abroad. We cannot talk about fiscal responsibility while spending trillions on occupying and bullying the rest of the world. We cannot talk about the budget deficit and spiraling domestic spending without looking at the costs of maintaining an American empire of more than 700 military bases in more than 120 foreign countries. We cannot pat ourselves on the back for cutting a few thousand dollars from a nature preserve or an inner-city swimming pool at home while turning a blind eye to a Pentagon budget that nearly equals those of the rest of the world combined.”

While the Tea Party will be out supporting Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin this weekend, you wonder how many of them will be in full support of more wars and paying more interest to a group of untouchable and unauditable private bankers otherwise known as the FED? This is precisely what Ron Paul is asking the American public to consider when looking at the Tea Party leaders and see if they really stand for what they believe in.

Ron Paul believes the Tea Party is not about “left” or “right” like a lot of political pundits make it out to be. It’s about the constitution, and limited government.


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To: anchorclankor

Thanks.


51 posted on 08/28/2010 2:52:40 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: samtheman

I think a lot of the FR Paulites have caught on to him—and we shouldn’t rub it in.


52 posted on 08/28/2010 3:03:15 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Fee

I agree. It is self governance that allows us to have small government. Freedom without any controls just leads to chaos which eventually leads to enslavement by some authoritarian body.


53 posted on 08/28/2010 3:09:21 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Chaguito

Thanks!

Needless to say, he was sort of mischaracterized.


54 posted on 08/28/2010 3:12:03 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: Lorianne
"Beck’s rally was a bit churchyfied for me, but overall it was a positive uplifting message and apolitical."

I agree, but we should celebrate what is good, right?

55 posted on 08/28/2010 3:12:50 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am a very strong supporter of using our military, ruthlessly, to pursue our core strategic interest in the world.

I did, and do, support the war in Iraq and would immediately eliminate Iran's ability to project any kind of power anywhere.

However, I don't believe we need 700 bases in 120 different countries. Definitely we should withdraw from Europe (maybe keep an air base or two), Japan (same thing). We also have a lot of small bases scattered around that could easily be closed without jeopardizing our security, and in most cases the security of the host country.

And, I don't get Afghanistan. I believe we should have left once we routed the Taliban...

56 posted on 08/28/2010 3:14:54 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am not a Ron Paul fan when it comes to foreign policy, the guy believes we’re living in a vacuum and deserved what we got on 9-11.

That said, I am not for a VAT tax.

that said, I am not for starting any new wars. I am certainly for letting our military run open and finish the existing wars we’re in. I am for pulling out of countries that we can leave (Europe for example) that have demonstrations that don’t want us there.

As for new threats that arise, instead of sending troops, I am not against using our varied and vast arsenal of missiles. Conventional and otherwise.


57 posted on 08/28/2010 3:19:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As if I care what Ron Paul thinks. I’m just remaining hopeful the son isn’t like the father..


58 posted on 08/28/2010 3:20:37 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He is a libertarian. They loose reality constantly.


59 posted on 08/28/2010 3:23:03 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Whether it be Palin’s support for starting more wars or Beck’s beliefs on paying the private Federal Reserve MORE interest on our money by means of a VAT tax.

Does Beck really favor a VAT tax? I only listen to or watch him occasionally, so am not aware of every policy he might favor or oppose.

60 posted on 08/28/2010 3:25:58 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Lorianne
Beck’s rally was a bit churchyfied for me, but overall it was a positive uplifting message and apolitical.

Same here but I think the reason Glenn has hammered on the religion aspect for so long is to remind America that the call for freedom began in the colonial churches. For far too long Americans have been taught that politics was off limits in churches and that our founders wanted it that way. Its time we stop retreating on this sort of talk and speak openly and proudly of our faith or even our lack of it.

The event last night was really more for religious leaders as a means of encouraging them to openly confront the the socialist leaders of the new "moderate" churches. Men like Jim Wallis need to be exposed and discredited not only by Glenn Beck but by Rabbis, Pastors, and Fathers.

Simply stated its time to remember that our founders never sought to silence religion.

“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”

George Washington

“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”

George Washington. [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]

"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian"

George Washington. [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]

Is it necessary that any one should [ask], “Did General Washington avow himself to be a believer in Christianity?" As well may we question his patriotism, his heroic devotion to his country. His mottos were, "Deeds, not Words"; and, "For God and my Country."

Nelly Custis-Lewis (Washington’s adopted daughter) George Washington.
61 posted on 08/28/2010 3:29:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can anybody trust libertarians when their favorite
“son” loads up legislation that he knows will pass and
gives the pork while giggling “I voted against it.”?

***

Shrimp boats Is Acomin
Their Sails are in sight.
Shrimp Boats is acomin
there will be dancing tonight.

** Ron Paul version.

Shrimp Boats is acomin
Their pork is in sight.
Shrimp Boats is acomin
They will be drugged up tonight.


62 posted on 08/28/2010 3:33:53 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who still listens to this douchebag midget?


63 posted on 08/28/2010 3:46:54 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: cripplecreek

Good one! “ Somebody’s cheese is sliding off their cracker” never heard that one before:)


64 posted on 08/28/2010 3:46:59 PM PDT by texhenry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What kind of reception does Ron Paul get at Ft. Hood or other bases when he meets troops after saying they are overseas “bullying the rest of the world”? Or does he ever even visit troops?


65 posted on 08/28/2010 3:48:28 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: Howie66
The guy is as loony as the day is long.Or 50 hoot owls.
66 posted on 08/28/2010 3:58:02 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: cripplecreek
"Somebody’s cheese is sliding off their cracker."

Good one! I haven't heard that one before. LOL!

67 posted on 08/28/2010 3:59:35 PM PDT by stumptalker
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To: Stentor

LMAO


68 posted on 08/28/2010 4:01:10 PM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Ron Paul does seem to have supporters who refuse to even try to make friends.

Ron Paul did not mention Sarah Palin.

All Ron Paul said was that 700 military bases are extremely expensive.

Ron Paul wasn’t critical of today’s DC event, that I can see.
But, unfortunately, he does have a good number of supporters that are.


69 posted on 08/28/2010 4:08:18 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s funny, I never heard Beck endorse the VAT tax and I never heard Sarah Palin endorse starting new wars and I have actually heard Beck complain about the Fed many times.

Ron Paul seems to get into a snit every time he thinks that he is losing ground with followers.


70 posted on 08/28/2010 4:08:18 PM PDT by Eva
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ron Paul was speaking from the Mothership, standing next to Looney Farrakhan.


71 posted on 08/28/2010 4:11:46 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If this piece is INDEED from Ron Paul, if it is even accurate as to his thoughts and opinions, then I am no longer able to even grant him a modest pass for being a Constitutionalist.

As much as I have agreed with him as to the Federal Reserve malfeasance over decades, I can no longer tolerate his hyperbole and feigned devotion to the Constitution.

I understand the hatred of certain bankers and their ‘boss’ the NY Fed; I can understand how this hatred relates to certain country club RINO republicans like the two Bush presidents, the ruling class in particular.

But I cannot understand how he would say that the American military ‘bullies’ anyone as they are called into killing people and breaking things based on a response to previous aggression committed against Americans or strategic American interests, all supported by us in our name. To say that our military ‘bullies’ others is to say that we as Americans are bullies. We are nothing of the sort. We are tolerant compassionate charitable and hospitable to all those in need and who accept our charity without taking gross advantage of our good will.

I cannot understand how he would think that Sarah Palin (and I am not partial to her at all) wants “to start more wars” or how Glenn Beck supports a VAT. If Glenn Beck supports a VAT I would like to see a link of evidence because I have never seen it and I don’t believe he would ever support such a deceptive tax.

So again if this writeup is at all accurate of Ron Paul’s statements, then Ron Paul needs to go period.


72 posted on 08/28/2010 4:14:27 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: samtheman

I’m a FR RP supporter.

Over the course of the last 2 years, some, if not many, of his supporters have recognized that the tea party is a good thing and that they should support it. Both the tea party and Ron Paul believe in limited government.

Back in 2007 and 2008 Ron Paul picked up a significant number of antiwar types. Those people are not with the tea party and do not help Ron Paul. But I’m sure they’re egging on Ron Paul to speak on foreign policy matters as much as possible.

I personally think that we should consider spending less money on military bases around the world. I personally think that the federal government should be much much smaller. No need to focus too much on those things that most Republicans don’t agree with.

I do believe that Ron Paul would try harder than anyone to make the federal government smaller.


73 posted on 08/28/2010 4:15:06 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Politics4US

Ron Paul wants us out of the UN.

That is not what the left wants on foreign policy.


74 posted on 08/28/2010 4:19:08 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Hostage

Ron Paul only said the one quote in the middle of the article.
Ron Paul did not say anything about Palin or Beck.
The article was not written by Ron Paul.
Unfortunately for Ron Paul, he has some supporters who don’t like Republicans, or even the military.


75 posted on 08/28/2010 4:23:17 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Thank you. The Leftists will try to divide and conquer at every turn. We have to be careful of what we read and who is said to be behind what we read.

This article I am sure turned many people against Ron Paul just as many articles have in the past.

I don’t agree with Ron Paul on military matters but on most fiscal and Constitutional matters I agree with him and sometimes admire him as he represents conservative views.


76 posted on 08/28/2010 4:31:54 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: Fee
Drugs were legal in the USA up until the turn of the 20th century. Our population was not "hobbled" by dope. What was true was that there were no gangs running drugs across the border, there was no drug crime because there was no money in it. Not until prohibition was repealed and the mafia started looking for something else to make money off of that was comparable to booze running did drugs start to become a problem.

As long as there are moralistic people in this country legalizing pot will not turn us into a nation of potheads, but it will get rid of the crime and hopefully the terrible unmoral war on drugs, which has taken a terrible toll on innocent citizens in the USA, both in property loss and in deaths of innocents and in the militarization of our police.

BTW, I am neither a libertarian nor a doper, and I will not be smoking pot, whether it is legal or not.

77 posted on 08/28/2010 4:56:55 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Hostage

I don’t know if it’s the leftists. It could be a sincere Ron Paul supporter. But there were antiwar Dems or antiwar leftists who started supporting Ron Paul back in 2007 and just love when he says anything which they can work into their criticisms of Republicans.

Ron Paul has the best track record of limited government. That’s what I care about. I happen to agree that we spend too much money on the military. But I don’t want to hear about it too much from Ron Paul. We all know about it already.

I want to hear Ron Paul praising the tea party. I want to hear Ron Paul talking about making the kinds of cuts that conservative Republicans want to make.

Most Ron Paul supporters should end up supporting someone like Palin rather than someone like Mitt Gingabee.


78 posted on 08/28/2010 5:07:01 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
I do believe that Ron Paul would try harder than anyone to make the federal government smaller.
I know he talks a very small-government talk but he also walks a very pro-Arab/pro-Muslim walk.

And there's nobody (repeat: nobody) on the planet more Big Government than an Arab Muslim.

So I don't trust RP on anything he says (repeat: anything).

79 posted on 08/28/2010 5:22:35 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: truthfreedom

I look deeper, much deeper into the problems than just out of control spending.

If I give my teenage son or daughter a monthly allowance and they each get a credit card on their own that I am on the hook for, and they spend like crazy, how effective will I be if I look stern and say “stop the spending!”. Especially if I keep paying the bills for them?

If I shutdown their allowance they might haul me into court for child abuse (analogous to a tax protestor to the IRS). If the current allowance is not enough to satisfy their spending greed, they will just charge more on their bank credit card (analogous to the Federal Reserve) for which they have made me liable.

So as much as I like Ron Paul’s admonitions about wastful government spending, ideals of limited government and so on, I never hear from him anything that brings a vision of doing something about it other than shut down the military, and I don’t agree with his military perspective.

The only concrete suggestions from Ron Paul that would have an effect are his proposals to audit and reform the Federal reserve including ending it.

The way to get limited government is get control of the wild teenager’s allowance (taxes) and credit card (Federal Reserve).

Ron Paul may have an answer how to wrest control back from the Federal reserve.

As for taxes, these folks have the superior solution by far:

http://www.fairtax.org


80 posted on 08/28/2010 5:25:30 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: Hostage

Ron Paul’s position on the federal income tax is to get rid of it entirely and replace it with nothing.

When you have a position like that - get rid of the federal income tax entirely - you really need to make major cuts everywhere.

His vision is of a much much smaller federal government.


81 posted on 08/28/2010 6:56:41 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Ron Paul’s position on the income tax, to get rid of it is a good one but tax revenues have to be generated and must be free from corrupt tax gaming that has plagued taxpayers for decades.

I heard Ron Paul say he would replace ‘it’ meaning tax revenues with nothing and it spoke volumes to the dark smelly place where the man had stuck his mind.

If he had said ‘replace the Income Tax Code with nothing’, then he would make sense. But then he would have to follow with what means of taxation would be used to fund the military, the various branches of federal government such as the courts. Certain things need to be funded and certain things don’t. The problem is the American people can’t connect the dots between taxation and what is funded, and the 16th Amendment income tax can hit them everywhere they breathe, including Obamacare which is now being defended as a tax program held Constitutional under the 16th Amendment.

If Ron Paul had said ‘Repeal the 16th Amendment’, then he would have made even better sense. But that is the problem with Ron Paul, he says a lot of things that hang in the air and sound almost good, but don’t quite add up to much.

The means of generating tax revenues must be transparent and voted on each year.

The FairTax does these things while at the same time ensuring each and every American is never taxed for the necessities of life.

The FairTax also repatriates $20 trillion dollars that have fled America because of its tax insanity.

Every single aspect of the FairTax was researched, analyzed, debated, contrasted against history and positioned to align taxation in America with what the Founders intended. It is the single most brilliant piece of political legislation of the last 100 years. Nothing comes close.

The reason that Ron Paul doesn’t embrace the FairTax is because it was thought of by someone else. It’s not his baby.

Ron Paul likes to make a name for himself by saying and proposing things that no one else of recent history has had a mind to say or propose. He fancies himself as a Founder. But he lays no concrete plans to realize his view of America. That’s why he can’t get traction among the electorate, he sounds good but there’s no there there.


82 posted on 08/28/2010 7:20:38 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: Hostage

I dunno. Maybe not enough people want massive tax cuts, massive spending cuts, a much much smaller federal government.

That’s what you’d get with Ron Paul. That’s what I want, but maybe not enough people want that. Very possibly nowhere near enough people want much much smaller government.


83 posted on 08/28/2010 8:24:43 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
If Ron Paul is trying to make the Federal Government smaller - He sure has a strange way to doing it.

RON PAUL EARMARKS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2009

Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice and Science:

• $250,000 for Galveston Economic Development Partnership, for Galveston Center for Business and Technology Development to help spin off private investment at National Lab of the University of Texas Medical Branch • $500,000 for City of Bay City for NuBlac Rehab Center (youth rehabilitation)

Subcommittee on Defense:

• $3.5 million for study of health risks of exposure to vanadium

Subcommittee on Military Construction:

• $2 million for City of Bay City for NuBlac Rehab Center (serving minority veterans)

Subcommittee on Energy and Water Development:

• $41.073 million for Army Corps of Engineers to deepen and widen Texas City Channel • $21.6 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge and reconfigure jetties at mouth of Colorado River • $7.02 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge Freeport Harbor • $16.021 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Galveston Harbor • $1 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Cedar Bayou • $3.297 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Texas City Channel • $200,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Cedar Bayou • $13.038 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Matagorda Ship Channel • $42.018 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Gulf Intercoastal Waterway • $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Victoria • $600,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Sabine Pass to Galveston Bay • $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Feeport Harbor • $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Lower Guadalupe River Basin • $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for preliminary engineering and design study at Freeport Harbor. • $21.7 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Houston Galveston Navigation Channel • $2.165 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Trinity River • $6.979 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Wallisville Lake • $1.3 million for Army Corps of Engineers to study flooding around Colorado River • $11 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Wharton and Onion Creek • $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers for Chocolate Bayou • $533,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Port Bolivar • $41.623 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Houston Ship Channel • $1.01 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Double Bayou • $3 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Clear Creek • $500,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Port Palacios • $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to study sand placement near Brazoria County shoreline

Subcommittee on Interior and the Environment:

• $5 million for Fort Bend County for City of Kendleton water and sewer improvements

Subcommittee on Homeland Security:

• $10 million for Coast Guard to improve Galveston Rail Causeway • $8.8 million for FEMA for drainage at Cove Harbor in Aransas County • $2.2 million for FEMA to reconfigure and stabilize Capano Causeway Pier • $500,000 for FEMA for Aransas County drainage master plan • $35 million for FEMA for drainage in Friendswood • $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek • $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek • $5 million for FEMA to recycle household hazardous waste in Friendswood

Subcommittee on Transportation:

• $1.96 million to replace buses in and around Victoria • $2 million to renovate transit maintenance facility in Galveston • $5 million to reconfigure Texas Clipper training ship • $25,000 to install security cameras at Fox Run Apartments in Victoria • $2 million to beautify Galveston Seawall and support Transit Access Program in Galveston • $3.6 million to construct inter-modal transit facility in Victoria • $3.5 million for analysis of commuter rail alternatives in Galveston • $10.3 million for City of Bay City for NuBlac Youth/Community Center • $2.2 million for City of Bay City for improvements to electrical wiring in low and moderate income housing

Subcommittee on Labor, HHS, Education:

• $90,000 for Victoria Chamber of Commerce for business/career-related education for youth • $248,942 for UTMB for employee wellness program for small businesses • $1.748 million for University of Houston-Victoria for DNA testing and genetic diagnostic lab • $300,000 for Bay City MEHOP for fund reinstatement of mobile unit • $200,000 for Bay City MEHOP to recruit nurse practitioner • $1.92 million for UTMB to study muscle mass loss in aging vs. microgravity (NASA related) at International Space Station National Lab • $750,000 for Houston Memorial Hermann HealthCare system for Life Flight operations center • $26 million for Washington, D.C. "Reading is Fundamental" program • $10 million for Boston, Mass., "Reach Out and Read" national center

84 posted on 08/28/2010 9:00:27 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: truthfreedom

Plenty of people want it.

It’s just that the federal government is like having an 800 pound obese teenager sitting in your home taking over your life.

And Dr. Paul is saying the obese teen needs to lose weight.

Gee thanks Ron! Would never have thought of that without ya!


85 posted on 08/28/2010 9:39:14 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Left doesn’t go after the Ron Pauls of the world because they’re useful idiots.


86 posted on 08/28/2010 10:18:40 PM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ron Paul says we are “bullying” the world. With that singularly stupid statement, iterated constantly by hard leftists, proves he belongs on the ash heap of history.


87 posted on 08/28/2010 10:45:17 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Hostage

People know though, that if the income tax is abolished, things that they like, like 700 military bases all over the world, will have to be closed. They want less government in the abstract, but when it comes to serious, concrete, cuts people will be less willing to make those cuts.

What Dr. Paul is saying is not that the obese teen needs to lose weight, Dr. Paul is saying that the obese teen needs to stop eating so much. The obese teen will need to feel hungry a lot.

“Needs to lose weight” and “You may never eat a twinkie ever again” are entirely different things.

The media knows this. And the Republicans know this. There is plenty that most would want to cut. But every specific thing that is cut has someone out there who wants that thing not to be cut. And when Republicans cut that thing that a person wants, that person very likely could be less inclined to vote for a Republican.

These military bases are very very expensive. Ron Paul knows this and knows that many of these bases would have to be closed in order to abolish the income tax. Most freepers would like to abolish the income tax. But most freepers also do not want to close any military bases.

The media is trying to pin the Republicans down on specifics. Trying to get them to say what exact cuts they would make. Because the people who would be “hurt” by the cuts would be more likely to vote for the Democrats, at least in theory. Most Republicans want to avoid saying which cuts because they know what has happened in the past.

Ron Paul has been pretty specific about what cuts he would make. Get rid of the Dept. of Education for one, and that’s a simple one, that many Republicans used to agree with, and may agree with today. In the 2007/8 Presidential debates, and during the campaign, he made it pretty clear that he was not in the same ballpark as the other candidates in terms of how much government he wanted to cut. He wanted to make massive cuts, and most of the other candidates didn’t really want to make cuts at all.

And then all that good Ron Paul stuff got buried by the middle east stuff, a whole bunch of antiwar Dems got on board, and Ron Paul became known to most people as the antiwar Republican instead of the “massive cuts in government” Republican.

He’s got a fair share of supporters now who don’t care as much about cutting government as being antiwar, and at least with Republicans here, antiwar is less popular than abolish the income tax.


88 posted on 08/28/2010 11:00:35 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: PanzerKardinal

Did he vote for those bills?

And don’t give me bs like “oh, but he knew the bills would pass, so it’s really the same thing as voting for the bills himself.”

He didn’t vote for that spending. Since the other Reps decided to take money from his constituents, he worked to make sure that they got as much of their money back as he could.

But he voted not to spend the money in the first place.
If everyone voted like Ron Paul, that money would not have been spent.


89 posted on 08/28/2010 11:05:13 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Whether it be Palin’s support for starting more wars or Beck’s beliefs on paying the private Federal Reserve MORE interest on our money by means of a VAT tax.

(rubbing eyes) Beck supports a VAT tax??
I call horse manure.

NOBODY is that much of a pathetic sack of sh##.

90 posted on 08/28/2010 11:13:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: truthfreedom

Getting rid of the Department of Education is supported by conservatives but it is not going to accomplish much in the way of paring down government expenditures.

Most of the government spending is in entitlements and military. About 20% of the budget goes to the military but 9% of that 20% is borrowed. Historically, Americans have always had a government that spends about 20% of its tax revenue on military without significant borrowing. I view that as a good and necessary thing.

Military bases are not so expensive. What is expensive is the procurement of new weapon systems and the maintenance of operating military systems and assets. But then historically Americans have always been willing to pay taxes to have those assets.

Reagan’s 600 ship Navy has already been pared down and GHW Bush pared the military down a lot just before it was decimated by Clinton. Bush the Terrible restored morale but did not launch a Reagan-like expansion.

The military is not the problem, overseas bases are cheap and defense assets are vital. GITMO was a huge savings for detaining terrorists for otherwise the budget for their legal fees alone on the mainland would have rivaled the budgets of some expensive defense procurement programs.

No, the problem with spending is not so much the military as it is entitlements, all the regulation that follows the entitlements and the government union contracts.

For example, just to comply with Medicare regulations, hospitals have to spend a fortune on responding to never ending federal government audits. Audits are good but if there were no Medicare like in the early 60s, then there would be no reason for the federal governmet to be involved, and hence no federal expenditures needed to regulate the medical industry other than interstate commerce law.

Government unions are under fire now as people are waking up to the facts of their large benefits and salaries at taxpayer expense. The federal government unions also show very small improvements in productivity as contrasted with their private sector counterparts.

As for the analogy of the federal government as an obese 800 lb. teenager sitting in our house controlling our life, your remark that Paul’s prescription for the teen to never eat a Twinkie again, this remark misses the point. Whether you tell the Obese teen to not eat so much or lose weight amounts to the same thing. You say these are entirely different things, no they are not. Regardless, you missed the point.

Ron Paul has not done anything or proposed anything concrete that others have not already seen or voiced. IOW Ron Paul is nothing new except for articulating and reminding Americans in an appealing way just what the Founders intended us to have in the way of a federal government. In this sense, Ron Paul was an original Tea Party voice. But his prescriptions fall flat or they are nonexistent. Often his observations are nothing more than “We’re sick and we’d better do something about it.” But he never gets to the ‘what’ is supposed to be done other than cut the twinkies out of the teen’s diet.

That obese 800 lb. teen can stop eating Twinkies and go on a starvation diet, get down to 600 lbs. and then flip out by having a high glycemic 16th Amendment cake with some Federal Reserve frosting and then surge back to 800 lbs. in no time flat.

What is needed is to repeal the 16th, take back money control from the Fed and enact the FairTax. The FairTax will have the analogous effect of getting the obese teen on the scale at a routine interval to see how much weight they have lost and then inquire as to how much they have been eating. Under the FairTax it will be the American taxpayer that observes the teen getting on the scale and if they don’t like the results, they can alter the obese teen’s diet to effect change. As it is now, Americans are not even allowed to see the results of the obese teen’s weigh-in but they can feel the results as the obese teen continues to eat them out of house and home, reaches into their pocket books and takes the cash and credit card etc.


91 posted on 08/29/2010 12:46:24 AM PDT by Hostage
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Paw, you been Relegated!

It was a beautiful event.


92 posted on 08/29/2010 12:48:13 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Hostage

I do agree with much of what you’re saying.

I do think, though, that Ron Paul has been plenty specific about the cuts to be made. He too, of course, wants to end the Fed, as you seem to. End the Fed, and audit the Fed, and audit the Gold, are among Ron Paul’s signature issues. I could do a google search and find various specifics about what agencies he’d want to do away with, etc if you want.

You’ve said that Ron Paul is “nothing new”. That’s partially right on the money. Back in the day, Ron Paul would’ve been considered a typical conservative. Back in the day, Ron Paul’s positions were fairly standard, mainstream positions. A lot of politicians back then were saying things that Ron Paul is saying now.

But, today, Ron Paul is the only one saying these things. Refreshingly Retro, to use the Pepsi Throwback slogan.


93 posted on 08/29/2010 1:52:33 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Good and I agree that Ron Paul is a throwback to a more conservative America.

Take another look at the FairTax code in H.R. 25. I think you may realize it is the perfect mechanism for Americans to measure just how big the US federal government is.

There’s an awful lot of disinformation on the FairTax mostly put out and supported by the DC criminal class that runs the Tax Lobby gaming industry.

Study the excellent FAQ on it here:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq


94 posted on 08/29/2010 2:09:42 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: truthfreedom
Back in 2007 and 2008 Ron Paul picked up a significant number of antiwar types.

Sure did, he picked up the code pink crowd. They are still his only supporters. Who else but an anti-American group would support an anti-American terrorist supporter?
95 posted on 08/29/2010 7:35:25 AM PDT by John D
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To: truthfreedom
Ron Paul has the best track record of limited government.

He does? In all the time he has been in Washington what has he ever accomplished? Except acquiring as many earmarks as possible. The ones he SAYS he is against.
96 posted on 08/29/2010 7:40:24 AM PDT by John D
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Stand back, Freepers, and look at what is happening. You're being polarized yet again. Beck's brand of holier-than-thou conservatism is just as misleading as Ron Paul's idealistic policies. Don't follow leaders. Think for yourself. Take the good, leave the rest. Beck does some good things, like introducing topics that would not otherwise get talked about on TV. Paul does some good things, like his Audit the Fed bill, which unfortunately got watered down by Pelosi et al.

Whatever we do, we should not allow demagogues like Beck to frame our political agenda.

97 posted on 08/29/2010 2:09:07 PM PDT by giotto
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To: John D

Hey, just because Ron Paul has to work with Democrats and RINOs who vote to spend does not mean that Ron Paul is voting for spending. He votes no, and he often loses.
The “conservatives” you like vote yes. Government grew during Bush. Republicans, but not Ron Paul, voted to grow the Government.

Ron Paul votes for limited government.

Often, other Republicans, even “conservative” ones, vote
for things that are not authorized by the Constitution.

Ron Paul is a traditional old-school Conservative Republican.


98 posted on 08/29/2010 2:10:02 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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99 posted on 08/29/2010 2:13:45 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: John D

True Conservative Republicans have always supported Ron Paul.

Bush Grew Government. Ron Paul voted against growing Government.

No doubt that antiwar types did get on board. They are small in number and loud in voice and they do push Ron Paul to talk about things that conservatives don’t like, like how war means higher taxes. Some “conservatives” would rather have higher taxes than less war. So be it.

But the majority of Ron Pauls support is not the antiwar types.


100 posted on 08/29/2010 2:14:01 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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