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Thank-you, Gloria Allred
American Thinker ^ | September 30, 2010 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 10/01/2010 12:13:15 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Gloria Allred may be doing Meg Whitman a favor with her ridiculous stunt accusing Meg Whitman of knowingly employing an illegal alien housekeeper. The story is so full of holes that it is transparently bogus, and will serve to discredit not just Allred and the housekeeper, but possibly Jerry Brown, California's Attorney General.

Hugh Hewitt, law professor, writer, and talk show host, had Gloria Allred on his radio program yesterday, and probed some of the major weaknesses in the case, and wrote about it on Townhall. First, he sums up the charges:

Turns out that Whitman had hired a housekeeper a few years back, after being provided all the necessary documents. Whitman was very serious about complying with the law as any CEO of a major public company ought to be, if only to protect the thousands and thousands of shareholders who cannot afford to have corporate leadership turn out to be law breakers.

Whitman was defrauded. The housekeeper lied. Many years later the housekeeper admitted her lies to Whitman, and Whitman dismissed her.

First the law. Don't believe me. Believe Erwin Chemerinsky, the very liberal dean of the University of California at Irvine Law School. After Allred's press conference I had Erwin on my radio program to state the law, which he did very quickly: Whitman had to fire the housekeeper or break the law.

Then he presents his interview:

She last attacked a Republican candidate for governor when he was leading the polls shortly before a vote when she launched a broadside against Arnold in August of 2003. Her client, Rhonda Miller, alleged sexual harassment. Miller's suit was dismissed.

I began my interview with Allred by asking her how that case turned out. Allred objected to the line of questioning.

I played Erwin's answer to my straightforward question and asked Allred if Erwin had stated the law correctly.. Allred objected to the line of questioning.

I asked Allred if she could state the law. She objected to this line of questioning.

Allred hung up on me when it became obvious that I simply wasn't going to allow her to repeat her allegations without establishing first a theory of the law under which Whitman could be understood to have done anything wrong.

In sum: the only parties to have done anything wrong were the housekeeper, who used false documents to deceive Whitman, the victim, and the employment agency Whitman used to hire a qualified worker. By the way, Whitman paid this housekeeper $23 an hour -- a wage rate at which one could certainly hire a qualified legal worker. The normal reason employers hire illegals is to pay lower wages than a legal worker could command.

Whitman did what the law required of her when she learned of the fraud perpetrated against her. She fired the maid. Allred's press conference featured the maid crying, as if she had been somehow abused.

Jerry Brown, as California AG, now has knowledge of a fraud perpetrated against a Californian. It is his responsibility to prosecute the law breakers - the maid and employment agency. If anything, the case reveals that he has failed to protect Californians attempting to obey the law from fraudsters.

There is more than a month remaining until the election. That is ample time to turn this spectacle back against those who have perpetrated it. Allred is a longtime Brown supporter and donor. Her unwillingness to answer the questions posed by Hugh Hewitt speaks volumes.

This sort of scam could work if timed a few days before the election. So why did Allred launch it prematurely? Probably because the night before her press conference, Whitman cleaned Brown's clock in his debate with Whitman, and it was necessary to change the subject.

Meg Whitman has the brains and savvy to turn this stunt around. And the money necessary to get her story out.


TOPICS: California; Campaign News; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: allred; backfire; backsplatter; ca2010; california; collateraldamage; gloriaallred; hewitt; hughhewitt; immigration; jerrybrown; megsmaid; megwhitman; rhondamiller; whitman
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1 posted on 10/01/2010 12:13:19 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Allred is gutter scum.


2 posted on 10/01/2010 12:18:08 AM PDT by Enchante ("The great enemy of clear language is insincerity." -- George Orwell --)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is a frivolous lawsuit and an in kind contribution.

Her license should be suspended and the Brown campaigned fined.

3 posted on 10/01/2010 12:19:53 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
B.A.C.K.F.I.R.E.!!

LOL. It doesnt get much better than THIS. These people are sooooo desperate, it is palpable. (is that the word??)

4 posted on 10/01/2010 12:31:23 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Worldwide Press Spin, Nov. 3rd? "America is RACIST(sic)". Take that to the bank. Ink already ready.)
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To: Enchante

Scutter Gum.


5 posted on 10/01/2010 12:31:52 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Worldwide Press Spin, Nov. 3rd? "America is RACIST(sic)". Take that to the bank. Ink already ready.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

$23.00 an hour for a maid? That isn’t such a bad living. Well, I guess it might depend on the area. California probably more expensive then others.

Can we see Alred discredited? I’m not really interested in the story, Whitman and I know Brown is behind it but what else does one expect in their politics. I just want this sleazy lawyer gone. I’m tired of constantly seeing her pop up attached to some new sort of gutter lawsuit.


6 posted on 10/01/2010 12:31:55 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (I was there when we had the numbers, but didn’t have the principles.---Jim DeMint)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Alfred - a parasite - strives to suck the life out of another. America has too many parasites - like Obummer.


7 posted on 10/01/2010 12:42:40 AM PDT by hondact200 ( Lincoln Freed the Enslaved. Obama Enslaves the Free. Obama is Americas Greatest Threat)
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To: Soul Seeker

Jerry Brown is a whole lot smarter than to let Gloria Alred loose on such a flimsy charge.


8 posted on 10/01/2010 12:43:10 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL, wow! Allred is one sleazy old pig!


9 posted on 10/01/2010 12:47:39 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two points:

The timing of the smear campaign probably has less to do with the last debate and more to do with the debate on Univision, the Spanish network, that is scheduled for a few days from now. The idea is to put Whitman on the spot regarding illegal immigration issues.

Regarding the fake IDs presented by the housekeeper, it is interesting to note that federal law does not allow the employer to choose what documents are presented by the employee. There is a list of acceptable documents. Unless a document is clearly a fake, the employer can be sued for asking for additional proof that an employee is here legally and has the right to be employed in the U.S.


10 posted on 10/01/2010 1:13:10 AM PDT by Rybashka
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Allred, Brown and Grayson....3 peas in a pod.
11 posted on 10/01/2010 1:13:23 AM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to abdicate control of it to the government)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
...is that the word??

Yup. Means "you can feel it".

12 posted on 10/01/2010 1:33:48 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Rybashka

Paying $23 per hour will probably get Whitman a lot of Hispanic votes. I’m sure it’ll get her a lot of Spanish applicants.

Wouldn’t it be cool if it could be proven that Allred had hired legal immigrants but only paid them minimum wage.


13 posted on 10/01/2010 1:40:08 AM PDT by Terry Mross (Never again will I hold my nose and vote for a rino.)
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To: norge

Perhaps Brown is not so smart after all.

You know what Savage says about liberalism...


14 posted on 10/01/2010 1:45:09 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; La Lydia; AuntB; ...

"Ayayay. Ai gets no money from dis scam? I musta got da worse lawyer in da US."

15 posted on 10/01/2010 1:54:22 AM PDT by Liz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Allred hung up on me when it became obvious that I simply wasn't going to allow her to repeat her allegations without establishing first a theory of the law under which Whitman could be understood to have done anything wrong.

True enough, but Hugh never let Allred make her case, which annoyed me. So I looked up her version on her website. Here is Allred's statement:

http://www.gloriaallred.com/CM/Media/GA.stmnt.9.30.10.pdf

Even if Allred's version of events is accurate, she appears to have no evidence that Whitman actually saw the 2003 letter from the Social Security Administration. Whitman's only mistake here seems to have been saying "We never received that letter" ("we" meaning Whitman and her husband) when she should have said "I never received that letter." Whitman's husband apparently did get the letter. He wrote "Nicky, please check this" on it, and gave it to the maid, Nicky Santillan. It sounds as though the husband decided that the government had made a mistake involving Santillan's Social Security number, and turned the matter over to Santillan to straighten out. Allred's other allegations are very thin: Santillan said that she saw other letters from the Social Security Administration in the trash, and said that she told Whitman that she (Santillan) could not travel out of the country.

It just does not add up to convincing evidence that Whitman knew that Santillan was an illegal immigrant.

Audio of Hewitt's interview with Allred:

http://townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=784c07c5-7d35-4d8a-af59-5f7ed76dafdd

Transcript of that interview

http://www.hughhewitt.com/blog/g/c7fb98f4-0782-472e-95a3-76715b95cee1

16 posted on 10/01/2010 2:12:27 AM PDT by TChad
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To: Soul Seeker

Nine hundred a week. I bet you can find plenty of Americans willing to work for that pay.


17 posted on 10/01/2010 2:12:50 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yes Thank you you media whore. This just illustrates the kind of person you are.


18 posted on 10/01/2010 2:14:13 AM PDT by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She should be deported. Isn't she breaking the law?
19 posted on 10/01/2010 2:15:30 AM PDT by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
...”Her license should be suspended and the Brown campaigned fined”...

In a sane world and under a sane justice system, her license would be revoked. Civilized societies do not need this kind of deceit put upon the people.

20 posted on 10/01/2010 2:45:50 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Liz

we can do a montage of all the times Allred used that IDENTICAL arm around the crying client.

seriously, someone in Calif. needs to file a bar complaint on that vermin.


21 posted on 10/01/2010 3:04:06 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: norge

If the Californians elect Brown, let them. The state is destined to go belly up.’

If they reelect Barbara Boxer, let them.

I personally, would be excited and honored to be able to vote for the person who started eBay...

I mean, this should be a no brainer election. Gov. Moombeam? ARe you people crazy?

Now how can we get Boxer out of there?


22 posted on 10/01/2010 3:13:13 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Praying today for -25, better yet -26......)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Allred should be facing some sort of punishment for this mess she created.

It isn’t her first time at bat and she should face some sort of penalty.


23 posted on 10/01/2010 3:40:41 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Rybashka
Regarding the fake IDs presented by the housekeeper, it is interesting to note that federal law does not allow the employer to choose what documents are presented by the employee. There is a list of acceptable documents. Unless a document is clearly a fake, the employer can be sued for asking for additional proof that an employee is here legally and has the right to be employed in the U.S.

She hired through an agency. It is the agency's responsibility to check the docs and validate them. That is why the wage is so high -- the agency is getting a cut of that. I will bet that Whitman paid the agency directly, and the agency cut a check to the worker, after deducting fees for taxes, health insurance, and their cut. Whitman could have bought the contract from the agency with a large fee up front.

The last time I hired through an agency, the fee was around $8000 and the worker went to jail a month later. We worked with him through his incarceration, and he came back a year later. That was when we finished with the payments to the agency. The employee stayed less than a year, and he left on good terms with us. I'm still mad at the agency, however, and I will not use them again.

24 posted on 10/01/2010 3:51:20 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Southeast Wisconsin, Zone 4 to 5)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One can only cry “Wolf!” so many times before ears become deaf...


25 posted on 10/01/2010 4:02:51 AM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What is Jerry Brown going to do about prosecuting an illegal alien who has committed fraud in his state?

Since he is the sitting Attorney General of the state, this matter demonstrates his incompetence and coddling of scofflaws.

This is the perfect issue to be raised before a California election for governor.

Law-abiding citizens have been furious with their politicians for years for this irresponsible conduct with respect to illegals.

Let this election be a referendum on the most neglected law enforcement problem in America.

Let this election be about liberals like Jerry Brown who are responsible for turning one of America's strongest economic engines into an insolvent state headed for third-world status.

26 posted on 10/01/2010 4:14:29 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority (What this country needs is an enema.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m thinking that Allred is bucking for a job in the administration. She’d fit right in.


27 posted on 10/01/2010 4:20:33 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think Gloria did herself in.

Hey Gloria, it’s hard to fight the truth.


28 posted on 10/01/2010 4:21:19 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
And if we found out the housekeeper took the letter before Meg Whitman and her husband read it, the housekeeper could be facing a FEDERAL felony for stealing USPS mail and Ms. Allred could also be facing Federal charges for abetting a Federal felony. I wonder did Ms. Allred consider that "inconvenient truth."
29 posted on 10/01/2010 4:27:54 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: nikos1121
I mean, this should be a no brainer election. Gov. Moombeam?

No kidding! A lot of the problems that Kalifornia is experiencing go back to the era of Gooberner Moonbeam. If Kalifornia elects that loon again they get exactly what they deserve. Absolutely suicidal behavior......

30 posted on 10/01/2010 4:35:19 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: RayChuang88
I wonder did Ms. Allred consider that "inconvenient truth."

Does Allred ever litigate cases or does her legal career consist of no more than mugging for the cameras with poor, sobbing "victims" as props?

31 posted on 10/01/2010 4:37:27 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Liz

Shes crying because some mentioned ice...


32 posted on 10/01/2010 4:57:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jerry Brown loves illegal aliens. Tie them around his neck. He has been derelict in his duty as attorney general.


33 posted on 10/01/2010 5:43:27 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Tennessee Nana

"Want to put some ice on that, muchacha."

34 posted on 10/01/2010 6:05:36 AM PDT by Liz
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To: longtermmemmory; Tennessee Nana

" Can't you fake more tears, you backward border-jumper?
How do you think we're gonna nail Whitman if you don't play your part?"

35 posted on 10/01/2010 6:13:01 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz; 2ndDivisionVet; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; dools0007world; ...
The letter from SS held by Allred clearly says that the SS mis-match was a paperwork error and : "Any employer that uses information in this letter to justify taking adverse action against an employee may violate state and federal law and be subject to legal consequences" . Yet last night on MSNBC Schultz and Olbermann claimed this letter told Whitman that Nicky was an illegal alien and should have been fired, nothing in the letter talks about illegals. Another big liberal lie!!

Still, it breaks my heart to see this brave woman cry knowing she was treated like a slave for $23 per hour. How can the rich is America be so cruel? Obviously you cant get Americans to work for $23 per hour in California. I bet they held a gun to this poor woman's head and kept her prisoner till they fired her.

Breaking my heart

We need Obama to step in and pardon this woman. Where is Arnold on this? How about Meg-cow Mccain? Rev Al? Jesse?

Soon Nicky will be able to go to college at taxpayer expense in CA, the new law just signed. maybe she will become a lawyer and work for the civil rights department so she can sue employers that fire illegals.

36 posted on 10/01/2010 6:15:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Liz

I love that picture, I should have reposted it with every ping comment, it’s worth a thousand :)


37 posted on 10/01/2010 6:21:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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38 posted on 10/01/2010 6:22:01 AM PDT by Liz
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To: sickoflibs; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; longtermmemmory; stephenjohnbanker; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

I love that picture, it’s worth a thousand .......

I was torn between that one and this (/snic).

"Donna worry, latinos, dis suckah lawyer gonna gets me beeg bucks
from dis Meg. We gonna gets our self-esteem back, a dolluh at a time."

39 posted on 10/01/2010 6:34:47 AM PDT by Liz
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To: sickoflibs
.......it breaks my heart to see this brave illegal cry; she was treated like a slave, paid a mere $23 per hour. How can the rich in America be so cruel? Obviously you can't get Americans to work for $23 per hour in California. I bet the Whitman's held a gun to this poor woman's head and kept her prisoner till they fired her for bring illegal..........

Sniffle......I'm all broke up about it, myself (sob).

40 posted on 10/01/2010 6:39:31 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz; AuntB; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; dools0007world; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :I was torn between that one and this (/snic).

The first picture with the tissue is better of the two with Allred leaning over to comfort her. You can imagine them practicing it with a director and script-writer in private (as all trial lawyers do with their clients) and getting those special prescription eye-drops that make you tear. Or maybe Bill Clinton gave them some tips on that, he could tear on cue within seconds.

some text

41 posted on 10/01/2010 6:45:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: TChad
Whitman's husband apparently did get the letter. He wrote "Nicky, please check this" on it, and gave it to the maid,

And if this is true, then it is further evidence that the Whitmans did not know she was illegal. Because, if they did know she was illegal, there would be no point at all in telling the maid to check into the matter.

42 posted on 10/01/2010 6:47:42 AM PDT by kevao
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To: sickoflibs
"... and getting those special prescription eye-drops that make you tear."

Heck, you don't need any special eye-drops to make you tear up. I made the mistake of wiping my eyes with a napkin that I had used to clean my fingers after eating several whole jalapenoes ...

... I thought that my eyes would NEVER stop watering ...

43 posted on 10/01/2010 6:53:16 AM PDT by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: sickoflibs

The picture with the tissue is better of the two with Allred leaning over to comfort her. You can imagine them practicing it with a director and script-writer in private (as all trial lawyers do with their clients) and getting those special prescription eye-drops that make you tear. Or maybe Bill Clinton gave them some tips on that, he could tear on cue within seconds.

But the ##smug, ##self-##satisfied look on Allred'$ fa$ce in thi$ one i$ pricele$$.

44 posted on 10/01/2010 6:57:03 AM PDT by Liz
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To: BlueLancer
RE :” I made the mistake of wiping my eyes with a napkin that I had used to clean my fingers after eating several whole jalapenoes

I discounted her eating peppers because of her background (she may be used to hot food) but didn't think of lacing the fingers with pepper. Better yet, lace the hankerchief so the more you wipe the more you cry.

I don't work with trial lawyers so this is new to me.

45 posted on 10/01/2010 7:01:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I forgot about the Arnold business....

I guess she is a piece of chicken droppings.....

46 posted on 10/01/2010 7:03:24 AM PDT by cherry
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To: sickoflibs; Grampa Dave; TommyDale; Condor51; Tennessee Nana; stephenjohnbanker; AuntB; TADSLOS; ..
I love that picture, it’s worth a thousand .......

Meg could get couple million votes from this pic alone.

Tout Hollywood will vote for Meg. They all have latino help---and fear Allred will come after them next, ROTFL.

47 posted on 10/01/2010 7:04:54 AM PDT by Liz
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To: wiggen

$23/hr is a very, very good wage in most parts of the country....I think LPNs start out about there....


48 posted on 10/01/2010 7:05:30 AM PDT by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Meg Whitman has the brains and savvy to turn this stunt around. And the money necessary to get her story out.

Yes, she certainly does. However, never, ever, underestimate the power of stupid people voting in large numbers...

49 posted on 10/01/2010 7:16:10 AM PDT by MaggieCarta (Looking for the off ramp on the road to serfdom)
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To: Liz

Yeah..


50 posted on 10/01/2010 7:18:11 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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