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U.S. politician wants to outlaw threatening symbols, possibly including the Sarah Palin map
The Vancouver Free Press ^ | January 9, 2011 | Charlie Smith

Posted on 01/09/2011 3:06:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A Democratic Congressman plans to bring in a bill to outlaw violent symbols targeting members of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Senate, or the judiciary.

In an inteview on CNN, Robert Brady (D-Penn) said he wants to make it a federal crime to use threatening language or symbols against federal officials.

"All we are trying to do is protect ourselves and our staff members," Brady said.

When asked when the legislation would be brought forward, he replied it would be on the "first day when we go back in session".

Brady hinted that a controversial map created by Sarah Palin's political action committee—which featured targets on 20 House districts—would be illegal if his proposal is adopted.

The CNN interviewer pointed out that Palin's map only featured symbols over top of districts, but that didn't dissuade Brady from taking a hard line. "Everyone knows who represents that district," he said.

Brady made his comments following a bipartisan conference call involving members of Congress about how to enhance safety following yesterday's shooting of Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords outside a Safeway store in Tuscon.


TOPICS: Pennsylvania; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: congress; democrats; freepressforpalin; giffords; palin
What a feline nickname! Why not just repeal the 1st Amendment, Robert?!
1 posted on 01/09/2011 3:06:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Geeze O Petes, we’re already throwing kindergarteners out of class for pictures of guns.

Be careful drawing those circles kiddies.


2 posted on 01/09/2011 3:09:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well when we finally take over we should just outlaw anything that strikes our fancy or irritates us.


3 posted on 01/09/2011 3:09:11 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As tragic as yesterday’s events were, the greatest casualty could be the First Amendment.

Don’t let this happen. Speak up for your right to speak up.


4 posted on 01/09/2011 3:09:40 PM PST by Jaguarmike
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And so when is the Vancouver Free Press going to mention the DNCC map with targets over Republican candidates? It’s all over the internet.

But then who reads the Vancouver Free Press?


5 posted on 01/09/2011 3:09:53 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is just the beginning, just wait til they bring back the Fairness Doctrine..perhaps this guy needs to look at the buffoon he voted for, ya the one who said “You don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”


6 posted on 01/09/2011 3:10:49 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This fat Rat hack is in a Gerrymandered district in all of the leftist areas of Philly. He is a POS Marxist and is just trotting this out to raise his profile. He is a loser of the first order.

7 posted on 01/09/2011 3:13:29 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Careful or soon these a-holes will outlaw Christian crosses,
Star of Davids etc.


8 posted on 01/09/2011 3:13:35 PM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Democrat “donkey” is about the most threatening symbol I know of..


9 posted on 01/09/2011 3:14:45 PM PST by ken5050 (I don't need sex.....the government screws me every day..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A Democratic Congressman plans to bring in a bill to outlaw violent symbols targeting members of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Senate, or the judiciary.

Sticks and stones, they are nothing.

It's the NAMES that are lethal!

10 posted on 01/09/2011 3:15:48 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, kind of a slippery slope however, if it is to be applied, it will need to be applied to both sides equally. But, given the MSM provides for one side to be more equal than the other, how do you achieve parity? And at what point is telling the truth, speaking facts and calling something for what it really is, going to be considered “dangerous”? Yes, repeal the 1st Amendment and get it over with and define the new system, a communist dictatorship (or totalitarian if you prefer). Remember the words of the one who knew first-hand what real freedom was compared to dictatorship; his words echo through history for the past 2,000 years....”the truth shall set you free.”


11 posted on 01/09/2011 3:15:48 PM PST by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: Jaguarmike
As tragic as yesterday’s events were, the greatest casualty could be the First Amendment.

Kind of ironic that the 1st amendment is what Giffords read on the floor of the house a couple days ago.
12 posted on 01/09/2011 3:15:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wish him lots of luck. This is a standard shape that comes with photoshop when you buy it.

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13 posted on 01/09/2011 3:18:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
United States federal government elected officials are special. They need special laws to protect them. They aren't ordinary peasants.

There is no such thing as equal protection under the law.

The people who write the laws, are the laws.

14 posted on 01/09/2011 3:19:42 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Robert Brady represent’s one right that is alway’s protected by the left which is the right to open your mouth and prove how stupid you are. don’t mean you Joe


15 posted on 01/09/2011 3:20:42 PM PST by heshtesh
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would like a law to outlaw stupidity in government. That would cause the Dhimmicrat Party and half the Republicrat Party to disappear.


16 posted on 01/09/2011 3:21:04 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("[T]here is nothing so aggravating [in life] as being condescended to by an idiot" ~ Ann Coulter)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“A Democratic Congressman plans to bring in a bill to outlaw violent symbols targeting members of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Senate, or the judiciary. “

I hope this bill is targeted and is never passed. Did I threaten anyone?


17 posted on 01/09/2011 3:21:21 PM PST by mewykwistmas ("Only the stupidest of all calves choose their own butcher")
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To: john drake
Well, kind of a slippery slope however, if it is to be applied, it will need to be applied to both sides equally.

B.S. in my humble opinion.

If a law is required to protect federal officials outside of what we have for the people in the first place then "WE THE PEOPLE" as dictated via the constitution is no longer valid. JMO

No official of government should have ANY law devoted to them that isn't applied to all PERIOD.

When we crossed that line, then we start working for government instead of government working for us.

18 posted on 01/09/2011 3:22:08 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A Democratic Congressman plans to bring in a bill to outlaw violent symbols targeting members of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Senate, or the judiciary.

If this is the most important thing this twit has on his mind, I have no problems paying him to stay home for the next two years!!

With everything happening today, THIS is the biggest thing on his agenda . . . . surveyor's marks on a map that Sarah Palin has!!??? Is he freakin' kidding me?????

19 posted on 01/09/2011 3:22:22 PM PST by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: cripplecreek
“As tragic as yesterday’s events were, the greatest casualty could be the First Amendment.”
It's the first and second that they hate the most.

Having said that, I'm really getting sick and tired of politicians behaving like they are deserving of anything but contempt. Where does it say that duping enough voters into putting you into office entitles you to more protected anything?

Keep mouthing off dipwads and expose yourselves for the morons that we know you are...

20 posted on 01/09/2011 3:23:22 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will Target stores have to change it’s name and logo?


21 posted on 01/09/2011 3:24:51 PM PST by jla
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They can't build enough jails to house everyone who would violate this law. Stupidity on parade.
22 posted on 01/09/2011 3:27:12 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: john drake

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


23 posted on 01/09/2011 3:31:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Please donate to FreeRepublic, sanity in a world gone mad!)
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To: EGPWS

Yes, your humble opinion is probably more realistic than mine, but I think we’ll already there. Congress has special privileges and benefits that aren’t recognized by the Constitution and it continues to move in that direction. The surest and most obvious form of our freedoms being lost is the continued taxation (and fees) “creep” at all levels; Federal, State, County, City, etc. When you add up all the taxes and fees you pay, not only on income, but on real estate, utilities, phones, sales taxes, car tags, etc. you probably pay more than 50% of your income in all kinds of taxes and fees. They take, take, take and .... a revolution is still brewing, no matter what the bubble dwellers in D.C. think, on either side of the aisle. It needs to trickle down to the state and local level as well, they’re just as bad.


24 posted on 01/09/2011 3:31:46 PM PST by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: cripplecreek
That is not the symbol that Sarah used. This is what she used. We cannot let them keep using this lie. Get it out there again and again. It was the DCC that used real targets to target Republicans. Sarah was using surveyor marks to indicate map locations.


25 posted on 01/09/2011 3:32:42 PM PST by WVNan
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To: WVNan

Who cares what symbol she used? I don’t care if she used mushroom clouds. Its a pathetic argument and should be treated as such.


26 posted on 01/09/2011 3:35:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: WVNan

And if there is anyone here who lives in PA, please e-mail the symbol to the dipstick who is proposing this travesty.


27 posted on 01/09/2011 3:36:25 PM PST by WVNan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can these morons not understand a metaphor? such as “ targeting organized crime” Are we going to use their PC definition of speech to abrogate the 1st amendment because something can be construed by a sick, psychotic, twisted, nihilistic, Daily Kos-type liberal? Where is common sense anymore? Do we have to outlaw anything that offends the pansy left?


28 posted on 01/09/2011 3:37:58 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Outlaw “threatening language” or symbols gaainst federal officials. MSNBC would have been gone during the Bush administration. That basically describes their entire primetime lineup. Is calling someone the worst person in the world and prominently fetauring their photo threatening enough for Brady? What about that General Betrayus ad that the NYT ran? He’s a federal official. Should that be outlawed? Should the NYT editors and publishers be sent to prison for running it? When Whoppi Goldberg and others on the left had that anti-Bush rally at Madison Square Garden in NYC?

Where was Brady when Sarah Palin was hung in effigy in LA? When famous comedians on the left were calling for her to be gang raped? When Joy Behar was calling Sharron Angle a bitch and threatening her?

Where was he when these happened:
http://patterico.com/2010/03/25/leftist-issues-death-threats-to-palin-and-family-on-twitter/

http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/22/death-threats-bristol-palin-mark-ballas-dancing-with-the-stars-security-letter-white-power/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/12/legislator-resigns-after-dead-palin-comment/

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/10/12/slightly-more-intense-than-unidentified-flying-literature/

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2733220120081028

there are plenty more


29 posted on 01/09/2011 3:38:37 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How about a law that makes it a felony to propose and vote for any law that's later determined to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?

The punishment could be tar and feathers, followed by a swift kick in the ass.

30 posted on 01/09/2011 3:39:56 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: cripplecreek
This Brady puke only imagines that he or other Democrats would be able to speak without the use of threatening words or symbols.

Let's start with those "arrows" used in HTML ~ well, there goes Algore's Internet eh!

31 posted on 01/09/2011 3:45:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey, maybe the nut was inspired by this:

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32 posted on 01/09/2011 3:46:59 PM PST by Argus
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To: Lazlo in PA

You are saying in so many words that this puke is IGNANT!


33 posted on 01/09/2011 3:48:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What the hell for??? Did anyone see those dangerous symbols and then want to do something dangerous?

Well, yes...yet another childishly stupid congressperson saw them and now wants to pass another law banning something.

Hey Mr. Thought Police...you'd better arrest me for what I'm thinking about you now, you opportunistic sonovabeach.

34 posted on 01/09/2011 3:55:59 PM PST by GBA (Not on our watch!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow. I actually censored my own whimsical comment because I do not have confidence that Brady and his associates have a sense of humor.

Was something about a 10-ring but I don’t recall exactly what it was.


35 posted on 01/09/2011 4:02:28 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And FWIW, I don’t buy the surveyor mark spin. IMO those were rifle sight cross hairs and there is nothing to apologize for.


36 posted on 01/09/2011 4:04:20 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
And FWIW, I don’t buy the surveyor mark spin. IMO those were rifle sight cross hairs and there is nothing to apologize for.

Don't look through a telescopic sight much, do you?

I recognized them as standard map symbols when she first published them.

The cross hairs on the scope sight stop at the edge of the optical field (the circular ring). These cross hairs extend well beyond it.

The only people who would confuse them with a scope sight picture are those will minimal experience with guns.

37 posted on 01/09/2011 4:11:47 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You know, I've been mulling the oddity of all this over since yesterday, and I've got to say that they're very afraid, uncharacteristically so. It's not just this guy, it's to be expected from the likes of him, but also Eric Cantor and others. This crosses the aisle and ideological boundaries.

Giffords was shot by a nut, complete with completely garbled and cryptic screeds as well as online videos. He appears to have been a supporter of hers at some point, driven to murderous rage by some odd sense of betrayal that she wasn't leftist enough to suit his taste.

But, the right is to blame, no matter what. As facts come out, the goalposts get shifted, with the goal being the placing of political blame for an act that, if it could clearly be said to be political at all, was an act of vengeance by a crazed supporter.

What to make of the nonpartisan, aisle-crossing fear in the face of this lone act of violence? Fear to the point that they've cancelled all legislative activity next week, and are now proposing 1st Amendment limitations upon their return?

I'm struck that Congressional figures must be aware that they're about to legislate into existence something that they know will be extremely unpopular. That's the one possible explanation that keeps coming back to me, and they're attempting to secure and protect themselves ahead of the coming waves of outrage and backlash.

And, we've met the new scapegoat. Same as the old scapegoat in many ways, just larger, more identifiable and with a handy label to throw mud and legislative darts at. A private citizen who gets media attention that is bizarrely out of proportion to her actual role in any affair of state (which is none, actually), Sarah Palin, has been spun into the titular head of it all. Spun purely out of thin air.

A lot of hyperbole gets tossed around on political forums, but this really is a very ominous development. I don't quite know what to make of it, but there it sits, clear as day. To engage in tossing around some hyperbole myself, it honestly appears to have all the earmarks of a totalitarian purge in the making, reality be damned. And this shooting is going to be made into the spark that sets it off, no matter what the actual facts of the matter may turn out to be.

38 posted on 01/09/2011 4:12:57 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will they ever get around to addressing New Black Panther Party members with weapons at polling places?


39 posted on 01/09/2011 4:14:16 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's another symbol

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40 posted on 01/09/2011 4:42:57 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: CurlyDave

Quite honestly I never paid any attention to the symbols used until today.

When Palin’s ads came out I doubt anyone assumed that the ad meant surveyor targets. No one. That wouldn’t even make sense in the context.

IMO the current spin is merely an attempt to distance themselves from the shootings and I don’t blame them.

Regarding your demeaning tone, I could say that anyone that thinks that anyone without vast experience with telescopic sights also has a lack of experience with guns is a fool but I won’t. Let me remind you that there are two or three firearms out there that do not require telescopic sights. Two or three. Maybe more. What do you think?


41 posted on 01/09/2011 4:59:37 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

42 posted on 01/09/2011 5:07:00 PM PST by bvw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another liberal who is scared of the people he is supposed to represent and seeks to find ways to imprison them.


43 posted on 01/09/2011 5:22:39 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Eagle Eye
When Palin’s ads came out I doubt anyone assumed that the ad meant surveyor targets. No one. That wouldn’t even make sense in the context.

You are right, no one assumed they were map symbols, I and anyone who understands maps, certainly knew they were map symbols, not targets. And, being on a map, they fit the context exactly. I didn't have to assume anything. And, it made perfect sense.

Regarding your demeaning tone, I could say that anyone that thinks that anyone without vast experience with telescopic sights also has a lack of experience with guns is a fool but I won’t. Let me remind you that there are two or three firearms out there that do not require telescopic sights. Two or three. Maybe more. What do you think?

There are may guns without telescopic sights. I am fully aware of this fact. OTOH, I don't know anyone who is familiar with guns who doesn't know what the sight picture in a telescopic sight looks like--no mater if he doesn't own a single such sight.

I hunt, meaning that I actually get up off my duff and stalk game, rather than sitting in a stand with a cooler of beer. I have walked over 15 miles per day through terrain you would think impassable, navigating by map, compass and GPS. My friends hunt. We all read maps and recognize map symbols.

You might not think that is a lot of miles, but throw in a 3 thousand feet of elevation change and it is not a walk in the park. The fact that you don't recognize map symbols, but confuse them with telescopic sight pictures, tells me a world of information. There is nothing wrong with this, all it takes to correct it is a bit of education.

But, when you look at a map, see map symbols, assume they are telescopic sight pictures, and then insist that the entire world sees them this way you are exhibiting arrogance. Despite what you would like to think, the entire world is not as ignorant as you. And, one thing I know for certain is that Sarah Palin knows the difference between map symbols and telescopic sight pictures.

44 posted on 01/09/2011 5:46:04 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: cripplecreek
Be careful drawing those circles kiddies.

Good point. Kids drawing circles are bad enough but we also need to be concerned with all those terrorist training classes camouflaged a "Geometry" and "Trigonometry" classes!

45 posted on 01/09/2011 6:22:42 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just wait.

I fear there will be all sorts of bans next week. And the GOP will just follow along.


46 posted on 01/09/2011 6:45:23 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Lazlo,
Way Western Port St. Lucie here.
I am in an area of western St. Lucie that is a gerrymandered district for Alcee Hastings.
Impeached as a federal judge for taking bribes in drug cases.
They include Rivera Beach Indiantown and Fort Pierce with a very narrow corridor connecting these.

Got to insure a black in the spot you know.


47 posted on 01/10/2011 3:28:23 AM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: CurlyDave
The fact that you don't recognize map symbols, but confuse them with telescopic sight pictures, tells me a world of information

It tells you jack squat. You may ASSUME that you know a world of information, but all you are doing is assuming.

I think I saw one Palin ad in passing and obviously didn't pay much attention to it, couldn't even describe it. I don't think that at a glance it is unreasonable to make the assumption it was a scope sight instead of a map symbol. Not many people put map symbols on people as targets. and if iw was so obviously clear to EVERYONE then there'd be no need for explaination on part of the Palin group.

Fifteen miles in extremely thick countryside while travesing 3000 foot elevation changes?

LOL, yeah, ok. Whatever. Both ways, barefoot, and in chest-deep snow too?

48 posted on 01/10/2011 11:28:21 AM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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