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There Are No New Ideas
1/22/2011 | Repulican Donkey

Posted on 01/22/2011 7:21:47 AM PST by Repulican Donkey

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To: DManA
The computer is an entirely new and original tool.

Charles Babbage would beg to differ. So would the creators of the Antikythera Mechanism.

21 posted on 01/22/2011 8:12:57 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry; Repulican Donkey

Ok, show me the Babbage revolution.

The computer is so far beyond a computing machine it’s not even a fair comparison.

Babbage’s invention was very very clever, ingenious. Impractical until quantum mechanics and the transistor.

Would you admit the transistor is completely new?


22 posted on 01/22/2011 8:19:35 AM PST by DManA
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To: RegulatorCountry; Repulican Donkey

But let’s for argument sake Babbage invented the computer.

Ok, so something completely new appeared on Earth in the Nineteenth century instead of the 1940s.

My point stands. The programmable computer is completely new.


23 posted on 01/22/2011 8:26:44 AM PST by DManA
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To: Repulican Donkey
The Antikythera mechanism was the first rudimentary mechanical computer (most likely used to calculate astronomical positions)...dated to 100-150 BC, it is a good deal older than Babbage.
24 posted on 01/22/2011 8:30:00 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama and the Radical Left: 'People of the Lie')
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To: RegulatorCountry; Repulican Donkey

A little off topic, there is a book that explored an alternative universe where Babbage’s difference engine HAD been developed and revolutionized society:

http://www.amazon.com/Difference-Engine-Spectra-special-editions/dp/055329461X


25 posted on 01/22/2011 8:31:40 AM PST by DManA
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

It was not a multipurpose programmable computer.

You could call a slide rule a computer too if you wanted.


26 posted on 01/22/2011 8:32:59 AM PST by DManA
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To: Longdriver

Charles Duell, Commissioner of the U.S. Patent Office, said in 1899 “Everything that CAN be invented HAS been invented.”


27 posted on 01/22/2011 8:33:19 AM PST by Terry Mross (I voted for McCain and WASTED my vote.)
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001

yes


28 posted on 01/22/2011 8:33:22 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
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To: DManA

It’s a new development to replace the vaccuum tube.


29 posted on 01/22/2011 8:35:07 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
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To: Repulican Donkey

Quantum traveling alien spork weasel.

Next...


30 posted on 01/22/2011 8:35:21 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Repulican Donkey

The Vaccuum tube is another new thing. Inconceivable without the discoveries of turn of the 20th century physics.

We are really off on a tangent. The history of technology is the story of new things.

The Biblical writer was discussing spiritual matters, not material things. There really is nothing SPIRITUALLY new since Adam.


31 posted on 01/22/2011 8:39:12 AM PST by DManA
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To: mountainlion

I recently saw this, from Herbert Stein:

If something can’t go on forever, it won’t.


32 posted on 01/22/2011 8:40:49 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: DManA
Actually, I agree with you about the programmable computer being a presage of a whole new world, probably even "The Singularity."

But as regards the Antikythera mechanism, check it out...I think you'll agree that it is quite a fascinating find. It is like a slide rule in some ways, but it was an actual machine in that it had calibrated moving parts.

33 posted on 01/22/2011 8:41:59 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama and the Radical Left: 'People of the Lie')
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To: DManA

There’s a difference between idea concept and application. The computer I’m using now is a new application evolved to meet newly recognized needs, but it is still the child of Univac which is still the child of mechanical computation devices. The concept is the real idea. The navy’s new Littoral Combat Ship is far different from an Egyptian dhow, but they are both boats conceptually. The abacus did much the same as Babbage’s machine and it was around far earlier. Again, I do not mean to diminish or dismiss the genius of the innovator.

There’s one new thing that may be an exception but no rule is withoput exceptions. That is the steam engine. James Watt was a true genius. He changed human land transportation for the first time since the domestication of the horse.


34 posted on 01/22/2011 8:44:27 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

I have followed the Antikythera mechanism with great interest. Completely redefines our ideas of what the ancients were capable of.

It is not a multipurpose programmable computer.


35 posted on 01/22/2011 8:44:40 AM PST by DManA
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To: Repulican Donkey

I can play this game too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_of_Alexandria

Hero’s aeolpile.


36 posted on 01/22/2011 8:46:42 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
There really is nothing SPIRITUALLY new since Adam.

If hints in the pseudepigraphical Book of Enoch are to be believed, what is new technology to humans was already possessed by fallen angels at the time of Adam.

37 posted on 01/22/2011 8:47:23 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama and the Radical Left: 'People of the Lie')
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To: DManA
Perhaps the Greeks should have tried to power it with electricity generated by the Baghdad Battery...then they could have programmed it to play solitaire and space invaders.
38 posted on 01/22/2011 8:54:47 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama and the Radical Left: 'People of the Lie')
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To: Repulican Donkey
evolved to meet newly recognized needs, The need to surf the web is new under the sun.
39 posted on 01/22/2011 8:59:00 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

Please see Encyclopedia Brittanica and Colliers. They were the “web” in their day.


40 posted on 01/22/2011 9:22:20 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
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