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Rove: Why couldn't U.S. president be LDS?
The Ogden Standard-Examiner ^ | February 3, 2011 | Bryon Saxton

Posted on 02/04/2011 2:49:27 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

LAYTON -- A member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can become president of the United States of America, says Karl Rove, former senior adviser to President George W. Bush.

"Absolutely," said Rove, who was in Layton on Thursday night for a stop-over to address a room full of fellow Republicans at the Davis Conference Center.

While he was at it, Rove, who served as the keynote speaker for the Davis County Republican Party Lincoln Day Dinner, autographed copies of his book.

More than 400 people attended the event at a cost of $50 per person, which included dinner and a copy of Rove's book, New York Times best-seller "Courage and Consequence: My Life as a Conservative in the Fight."

The event also included a VIP reception with Rove.

Following the reception and prior to his speech, Rove took time to talk with the media, addressing the strong gains the Republican Party made in the November 2010 election in the House, Senate and with governorships across the country, and the challenges that lie ahead for any GOP presidential candidate in 2012.

Rove also shared that he would be addressing the economy, the nation's debt, health care and hope for America in his dinner speech, which was closed to the media.

"I think we are going to have a race that is up in the air, that is capable of being won by either side," Rove said of the 2012 presidential run.

He said despite the slight advantage there is to a standing incumbent, "The economy is not going to be good, and the budget is not going to be in the place the American people want it, the deficits are still going to be too high, and the taste that is still in people's mouths about what they saw in the first two years, particularly when it comes to health care, is not going to be helpful to (President Barack Obama)."

But any Republican candidate entering the field -- including former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and former Utah governor Jon Huntsman Jr., both members of the LDS faith -- will have their work cut out for them, said Rove.

"Anybody thinking about this is going to have challenges," Rove said.

Too much was made of Romney's LDS faith in his 2008 run for president, said Rove, who has Utah ties but is Anglican, not LDS.

The country enshrined freedom of religion in the Bill of Rights, Rove said, and what he found in looking back at articles centering around Mitt Romney's father, former Michigan governor George Romney, is that there was no mention of his LDS faith.

"This makes me queasy,"Rove said of the Times magazine coverage of Romney's religion.

Rove, who attended Olympus High School and the University of Utah, said that the whole issue of Romney's religion was "overdone."

Based on Rove's busy schedule, the Davis GOP was fortunate to have him speak at this annual event, Davis County Republican Party Chairwoman Shirley Bouwhuis said.

Rove, an adviser to President Bush from 2000 to 2007 and deputy chief of staff from 2004 to 2007, has written a candid, behind-the-scenes view of some of the country's most turbulent years in the White House, Bouwhuis said.

Bouwhuis said she was confident Rove would generate a lot of interest from local party members, especially as 2010 was a historical mid-term election for the GOP, and 2012 is shaping up to be an exciting election year, too.

Rove is a Fox News contributor and writes a weekly op-ed for The Wall Street Journal as a Newsweek columnist.


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When did Mr. Rove go to work for the one dollar magazine?
1 posted on 02/04/2011 2:49:29 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"Go Mitt. Go Mitt. Go Mitt.
We attack the GOP's women candidates ….for you.
We support ObamaCARE …for you.
We support TARP and the DNC …for you.
For you!!!!!!"


"Rove is pushing Romney so aggressively some folks are beginning to wonder what's going on," grumbled one veteran Republican strategist."


"Rove has made no secret of his support for Romney as McCain's VP. "

2 posted on 02/04/2011 2:55:14 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Al B.; Brices Crossroads; onyx; Lakeshark; sarah fan UK

He’s definitely on Romney’s payroll. Creep.


3 posted on 02/04/2011 2:56:45 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not a gun-grabber though. That will never happen.


4 posted on 02/04/2011 3:03:06 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Would you like some whine with your cheese?


5 posted on 02/04/2011 3:09:06 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
   When I saw the headline, I said "Wow!! Rove is supporting Glenn Beck for President!!"

  Then I read further and saw that he was supporting some guy from Massachusetts. Typical!!
6 posted on 02/04/2011 3:09:49 AM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Would you like some RINO with your vote?


7 posted on 02/04/2011 3:10:22 AM PST by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

On of Bush II’s biggest failures, keeping this guy on as an adviser. I can only imagine the boatloads of bad advice that was given out.


8 posted on 02/04/2011 3:11:26 AM PST by samtheman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rove, who attended Olympus High School and the University of Utah, said that the whole issue of Romney's religion was "overdone."

And Romney's penchant for Socialism?

Romney's faith really isn't the issue, Mr. Rove...and you know it.

What we conservatives have a problem with is that Romney is a big intrusive government, baby murdering, freedom loathing, gun grabbing Socialist!

9 posted on 02/04/2011 3:12:05 AM PST by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes was a piker.)
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To: Markos33
Untrustworthy serial-misogynist Rove points to strawman-LDS
to COVER-UP the real evil of his candidate.

Rove must think we are all on LSD.


10 posted on 02/04/2011 3:18:37 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rove: Why couldn't U.S. president be LDS?

No one cares.

We care that the President isn't a RINO socialist who believes in socialized healthcare.

Go pound sand, Karl.

11 posted on 02/04/2011 3:26:26 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Most Americans know very little about the LDS.

If Willard is the nominee, the MSM will fix that.


12 posted on 02/04/2011 3:26:40 AM PST by Jim Noble (Reelect Palin 2016)
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To: Markos33
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I personally could never vote for a mormon. I have done alot of research on that religion and in my opinion it requires such a suspension of your reasoning skills to believe in it that I would never vote for a mormon. Of course there are other “religions” that I wouldn't vote for either. i.e. scientology, muslims.
13 posted on 02/04/2011 3:29:05 AM PST by armordog99
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rove: Why couldn't U.S. president be LDS?

Sleight of hand, shilling for Mitt Romney.

That question, properly framed, would read "Why couldn't US president be an unprincipled opportunist hiding behind diversity?"

We're already living the answer to that properly framed question, Karl. If Mitt Romney had actually adhered to the tenets of his religion, he'd be far more conservative than he is, and more likely to be accepted by conservatives. He didn't and he's not, though.

Nice try. All the shrill outbursts are beginning to make sense. Most of the prominent instances have had Mittbots lurking the periphery. This is just more of the same.

14 posted on 02/04/2011 3:29:14 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"Karl: Great job! Terrific! Now, can you do something about the Freepers?
Regards, Mitt!"


15 posted on 02/04/2011 3:39:56 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: armordog99; All

Me I don’t care.. To me if the person preaches Conservative values regardless of their religious beliefs....


16 posted on 02/04/2011 3:54:28 AM PST by KevinDavis (If you buy a car from GM, you are supporting Obama..)
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To: armordog99

I agree with you, armordog99, that this religion requires an extra heaping helping of “suspension of reasoning skills”. But I wonder if that suspension necessarily carries over into the policy realm.

Not talking about Romney here, who is more of a socialist RINO than he is a Mormon, but thinking of those Mormons who are also good conservatives. Conservatives on the issues. Do you doubt that they are out there?

I know, there might be a difference between a “conservative Mormon” and a “conservative Mormon President”, that anyone who thinks clearly can be a conservative but not anyone can be President, but still, I can’t help wondering, despite the obvious irrationality of the religion, isn’t it possible that a good conservative president could come from its ranks?

Not arguing with you, just wondering out loud.

And one other point. Despite the zany aspects of the religion, it does preach a very strong love of America and a very strong view of American Exceptionalism.


17 posted on 02/04/2011 4:02:04 AM PST by samtheman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why couldn’t U.S. president be LDS? ,
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What, another one ???

We’re not doing that good with the one we have now...


18 posted on 02/04/2011 4:07:29 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why couldn’t U.S. president be LDS? ,
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Rove oviously doesnt know the various ways one can become a Mormon, dead or alive...


19 posted on 02/04/2011 4:08:27 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because all the LDS candidates we have seen so far have been RINOS?


20 posted on 02/04/2011 4:09:38 AM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: armordog99; Diogenesis; 2ndDivisionVet
"I have done alot of research on that religion and in my opinion it requires such a suspension of your reasoning skills to believe in it that I would never vote for a mormon."

I understand what you're saying, armordog99.

But Romney and his shills know that anti Mormonism is the lone victim card that he has to play.

They can prop that strawman up in front of Socialist RomneyCare and dance to fiddle tunes while they're bashing Sarah Palin.

21 posted on 02/04/2011 4:11:20 AM PST by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes was a piker.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Pillsbury Doughboy continues his desperate bid for attention, after his attacks on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party have forever eliminated him as a credible conservative. He’s hoping Mitt will give him a job, which would further sink Romney’s campaign for the nomination in the eyes of conservative.


23 posted on 02/04/2011 4:13:08 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LDS member as president?

Consider Hairy Reed, Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch.

No Ezra Taft Benson they.


24 posted on 02/04/2011 4:30:35 AM PST by IbJensen (Grab your pitchforks!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A President can be a member of LDS... the communist baby killing liar and enemy of Ronald Reagan named mitt willard the rat bastard romney cannot... so FOAD you little bald fat toady of the liberal president Bush!

LLS

25 posted on 02/04/2011 4:35:38 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: Diogenesis

Sure Carl, an LDS can become President, a Kenyan too. But NOOOOOO, a woman can’t. Women should stay where they belong - in the kitchen and/or in the PTA./s


26 posted on 02/04/2011 4:43:32 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: KevinDavis

And therein lies the problem...too many of them “preach conservative values,” but once their elected, they turn on a dime. They all “preach it brother” with such heart/conviction, but once they’re in office, their true RINO colors come bleeding through. For me, and I’m sure so many others, we’re fed-up/sick and tired of the RINO crap, and IMHO, Romney fits the RINO mold to a “T”!!!!


27 posted on 02/04/2011 4:51:25 AM PST by nfldgirl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We already have a guy in the White House who thinks he’s a messiah. I guess the only way to one up it is with a guy who thinks he’ll become a god.


28 posted on 02/04/2011 4:57:00 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan
" I guess the only way to one up it is with a guy who thinks he’ll become a god."

Good Shot! I wonder how many folks know that little tidbit of the Mormon faith?

29 posted on 02/04/2011 5:27:47 AM PST by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: armordog99

While Romney has plenty of other things with which we should take issue, if the question is about his mormonism, I have to say I agree with you. I’ve studied it myself and couldn’t trust the judgment of a politician who embraces it.


30 posted on 02/04/2011 6:40:46 AM PST by agrace
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When are you going to realize everyone connected to Bush has strong Progressive tendencies...


31 posted on 02/04/2011 6:42:09 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Diogenesis
FUKR
32 posted on 02/04/2011 6:43:36 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Big_Harry
Good Shot! I wonder how many folks know that little tidbit of the Mormon faith?

And, how many know of the ongoing attempt by mormonism to HIDE that fact from the world...even here on FR.

33 posted on 02/04/2011 6:44:00 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

How in the wide wide world of sports did that fellow sell 400 tickets?


34 posted on 02/04/2011 6:51:51 AM PST by GoCards (Why me? Why not me?o)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

How in the wide wide world of sports did that fellow sell 400 tickets?


35 posted on 02/04/2011 6:51:59 AM PST by GoCards (Why me? Why not me?o)
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To: GoCards

Davis County Ogden Standard Exaggerator Ping


36 posted on 02/04/2011 6:54:18 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: surfer

I “realized” that in 1988, if not before.


37 posted on 02/04/2011 9:01:19 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle. ~Lincoln)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amen.

Heard a Michael Reagan interview today where he stated that his father wouldn’t even get the GOP nominiation today...

Speaks volumes about how screwed up the GOP is...


38 posted on 02/04/2011 9:02:41 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Jim Noble; 2ndDivisionVet
Most Americans know very little about the LDS. If Willard is the nominee, the MSM will fix that.

Bingo.

#1...

Turn back your clock.
It's late March, 1978.
Mitt Romney has just turned 30 a few weeks before. Not exactly a youngster...
Jon Huntsman is an adult as well, having just turned 18.

Both as of that time belong to an organization that was still symbolically posting "No Blacks Allowed" signs over the doors of what they deem to be the most important buildings they ever are to enter on earth...

In fact, to show how important those buildings are...
...were Mitt & Jon & their fellow Mormons not to enter them & perform the dark hoop-jumping rituals absolutely required of them...
...then this dark threatening foreboding warning that was imposed upon them Jan. 19, 1841 would descend upon them to "reject" them by one of their gods...

"...build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me; ... But behold, at the end of this appointment your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable to me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment ye shall be rejected as a church, with your dead... (Official Lds Church Doctrines & Covenants 124:31-32)

So these special Mormon "houses"...Race-wise, were they worse -- or better -- than the soda fountain separate drinking fountains and separate bathrooms and separate entrances for blacks & whites in the South from the early 1960s & before that?

Do these special Mormon-built "houses" -- their temples -- as of March, 1978...do they at least have a "Black entrance" into the temple to contrast the "White entrance" into the temple? Are blacks at least allowed a separate-but-equal inside treatment?

I mean even those "white drinking fountain" only stores still allowed blacks inside, right? What about Mormon temples as of late March 1978 with 30 yo Mitt Romney inside? With perhaps Jon Huntsman inside pretending to be a dead spirit being dunked in the water? (Lds use teens to immerse -- what they call "proxy" baptisms -- to baptize dead spirits)

Are Mitt's supporters out there in Romneyland so naive that they somehow think that the MSM won't turn a potential Romney (or Huntsman) - Obama match-up into a referendum on Mormon (& by extension the Republicans who voted him in) racism????

#2 Do we think the MSM will overlook the claim made of temple Mormons that they are "gods-in-embryo?"

Anybody know of any other (R) candidates running who claim the other-worldly commitment of becoming a "grown-up" god???

That's who some want in the White House? (Somebody who thinks of it as a "career move" onto to their Great White Throne?)

And I'm still not quite so sure why most FREEPERS who indeed are bothered by Mormonism are actually afraid to publicly concede that in the case of weighing a POTUS candidate?

Imagine it's 2016...and say that -- for discussion's sake -- scientologist John Travolta is running for POTUS.

The MSM interviews John...and he concedes he holds to the "traditional" view of Scientology re: their 'thetanism' doctrine...(for those of you who don't know what that is, here it is):

According to Scientology, when a person dies — or, in Scientology terms, when a thetan abandons its physical body — they go to a "landing station" on the planet Venus, where the thetan is re-implanted and told lies about its past life and its next life. The Venusians take the thetan, "capsule" it, and send it back to Earth to be dumped into the ocean off the coast of California.

Source: Thetan entry @ Wikipedia

Now I don't know about you. But if Scientologists are so gullible to fall for this stuff...would John be the kind of guy you want heading the international & domestic security interests of the United States?

And why would such Scientologist stuff be "off the table" in discussing him as who you want in the White House? In fact, not only why that, but why would so many conservatives actually perform dozens of cartwheels to actually ensure it wouldn't not even be addressed as one among many?

(Can you say "cultural cowardice?" Can you say they've been brow-beaten by liberals already for alleged "bigotry" and they've forgotten that the line between discernment and judgment is oft wherever the name-caller wants to draw it?)

39 posted on 02/04/2011 11:22:13 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: armordog99

I agree with you it will be a difficult road in the Bible belt. My FIL is a adament Southern Baptist who has been saying so.


40 posted on 02/05/2011 9:02:46 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Memo to Mitt Romney: Just go away.............)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’ve seen the posts that allude to Mormonism being another “Christian” religion. They never mention that they are not monotheistic. That is a real deal breaker(among many).


41 posted on 02/05/2011 10:20:12 AM PST by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: All

Religious reasons aside...

...Romney is a RINO ObamaCare loving POS that you can’t trust.


42 posted on 02/05/2011 10:21:16 AM PST by rbmillerjr (I will not, under any circumstances, vote for Mitt Romney....none.)
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To: Colofornian
Hey, I don't dislike LDS, as you apparently do.

They are, for the most part, fine people and good neighbors. They live their family lives and community lives better than a lot of Americans do, and I respect that. I'm indifferent to their religious beliefs, they are no threat to my own.

But I've studied those beliefs a good deal - more than most Americans. I don't think the somewhat obscure, almost hidden, nature of those beliefs will survive a Romney nomination.

Before the convention, the MSM line will be "any GOP objections to Romney are vile religious hatred, and if Palin (or whoever) wins instead, next stop Auschwitz".

As soon as he is nominated, the MSM will switch to magic spectacles, temple garments, universal apostasy, Moron(i), and all the rest. A broad-minded MSM may approve of the plural wives and decry the repression those progressive LDS pioneers experienced in hate-filled Christian America.

Anyway, by the time the MSM is done with Willard and his religion, he won't be able to be elected dogcatcher.

43 posted on 02/07/2011 4:22:11 AM PST by Jim Noble (Reelect Palin 2016)
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