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Gov. Bobby Jindalís Potentially Self-Destructive Support of Birther Bill (They're "concerned")
Color Lines ^ | April 20, 2011 | Jamilah King

Posted on 04/20/2011 9:36:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

It looks like Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal is prepared to do what Arizona’s Jan Brewer announced earlier this week that she couldn’t: Pass a birther bill that would require presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship. In Jindal’s case, it’s a bill that could threaten his own presidential ambitions and potentially make it much harder for him to appear on his own state ballot if he ever chose to run.

“It’s not part of our package, but if the Legislature passes it we’ll sign it,” press secretary Kyle Plotkin told the Times-Picayune on Tuesday.

The package that Plotkin is talking about is House Bill 561, which was introduced last week by two Republican lawmakers, Sens. Alan Seabaugh and A.G. Crowe. The bill would require federal candidates — including candidates for the U.S. Senate or House of Representatives — who want to appear on Louisiana ballots to file an affidavit proving their citizenship, reports the Times-Picayune. That affidavit would also need to be accompanied by an “original or certified copy” of the candidate’s birth certificate.

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer made headlines on Monday when she vetoed a similar bill that had passed the state legislature. “I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their ‘early baptismal or circumcision certificates,’ among other records, to the Arizona Secretary of State,” Brewer said after the decision. “This is a bridge too far.”

But for a growing number of states, it’s a bridge that doesn’t reach far enough. At least a dozen similar bills are being considered by legislators in various states, including Missouri, Texas, Georgia and Tennessee. Daily Kos has a rundown of all the birther bills that are spreading across the nation.

Julianne Hing has written before about how in nearly every case, the bill’s backers deny that the bills are politically motivated. Yet critics call the bills thinly veiled attacks on President Obama and his black roots, despite the Hawaiian officials who have repeatedly said that Obama was born in the state. Most recently, billionaire mogul Donald Trump has joined the fray and vowed to pay for his own independent investigation into the president’s citizenship.

Jindal’s support for the bill seems puzzling, but it probably shouldn’t be. The governor’s full name is Piyush “Bobby” Jindal and he is himself the first generation son born to Indian immigrants. Yet he’s already thrown his support behind other controversial GOP efforts, such as the 14th Amendment rollback that would strip citizenship away from U.S.-born children of immigrants. At the time, Jindal’s spokespeople claimed that he’d still be able to retain his citizenship because his mother was a permanent resident when she gave birth to him. But it’s a messy situation nonetheless, and one that could keep the GOP star, who was once pegged for a presidential run, off of his own state ballot.

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TOPICS: Louisiana; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: allegedlyamerican; allegedlyhawaiian; birthcertificate; certifigate; jindal; louisiana; naturalborncitizen; obama; trump
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1 posted on 04/20/2011 9:36:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Jindal a NBC?


2 posted on 04/20/2011 9:41:25 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not a real comment, unless questionably rhetorical questions count: why would Democrats be so concerned about having to prove their candidate’s eligibility in the way Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower did if there weren’t fears on their side that what is coming from our side (and from Hilary’s, long ago) is true?


3 posted on 04/20/2011 9:41:35 PM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If enacting legislation which enforces Constitutional provisions really is bad for a political career then America is in deep trouble.
4 posted on 04/20/2011 9:42:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: TigerClaws

Jindal is probably not a natural born citizen - his parents were only in the country 6 months when he was born. As far as I know, no state requires the governor be a natural born citizen. California certainly didn’t with Schwarzenegger.


5 posted on 04/20/2011 9:44:47 PM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agree with gov. Jindal. No person should be able to run for president without satisfying constitutional stipulations.


6 posted on 04/20/2011 9:46:37 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s fun to read an article that defeats its own premise.

IF Jindal is not qualified to run for president, why would it be good to ignore that fact?

And IF a “birther” bill would prevent him from running, and he signs it into law, isn’t that a selfless act on his part?


7 posted on 04/20/2011 9:47:35 PM PDT by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: BenLurkin

“If enacting legislation which enforces Constitutional provisions really is bad for a political career then America is in deep trouble.”

America IS in deep trouble...


8 posted on 04/20/2011 9:48:07 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Jindal was born in Baton Rouge to parents who were here legally, and were legally under U.S. jurisdiction (i.e., not under diplomatic immunity, not soldiers of a foreign power at war against the U.S.). That means he's legally a U.S. citizen according to case law (U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark) and the obvious interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

(Whether he's an NBC eligible to run for President may, or may not, be a different question. Federal case law is crystal clear that he's a citizen, though.)

9 posted on 04/20/2011 9:48:26 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their ‘early baptismal or circumcision certificates,’ among other records, to the Arizona Secretary of State,”

Is this true? I heard the blowhard John Gibson blabbering about this today. If this is true, what the heck would we want a circumcisn record for? That just makes us look dumb. BC makes total sense, but the other stuff?? Come on.
10 posted on 04/20/2011 9:50:46 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Heck, maybe Bobby Jindal is a politician who puts the Constitution ahead of political ambition.......Who would have guessed that of a politician!


11 posted on 04/20/2011 9:52:19 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: TigerClaws

Jindal’s both parents were in US legally on immigrant visa which is also known as green card. It is a permanent resident visa and a precursor to applying for citizenship.

There is no clearcut definition of “natural born citizen”.
And you betcha it won’t happen during the Obama regime.


12 posted on 04/20/2011 9:52:50 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: TigerClaws

My understanding is that he is NOT, in which case he will end any Presidential ambitions by signing this bill.

That would mean he’s a rare politician who puts principle before ambition. Wow.

If that happens, there are plenty of other ways he could serve our nation and be rewared for doing so. And I’ll back him to the moon if that happens.

PS No state to my knowledge has an NBC requirement for governor, so that twist in this “article” (propaganda piece) is pure, well, propaganda.


13 posted on 04/20/2011 9:54:20 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: BenLurkin

Well AMERICA is in trouble. The Democrips do not want the truth to come out because it will take so many down with “The One” and Rebloodlicans do not want it brought out because afterwards AMERICA is going to be standing there asking why they did NOTHING.

I hope Trump runs and wins as a small “i” independent. He can then charge every president, judge, senator and congress person as far back as legally allowed with perjury.

This one grand event would take our country back from the elitist scumbags in both gangs. R and D.

We can’t predict the weather but we sure can stop the fall.

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(2) in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true;
is guilty of perjury and shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. This section is applicable whether the statement or subscription is made within or without the United States.


14 posted on 04/20/2011 9:54:42 PM PDT by plainolamerican
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To: plainolamerican

OK, if liberals think that the birther bills are a JOKE...

....why are they so ‘CONCERNED’ or RELIEVED about it NOT passing?

Shouldn’t the attitude be “Sure, pass the birther bills, it’s a joke anyways.” INSTEAD OF “Oh thank you for not passing the birther bill”.


15 posted on 04/20/2011 9:59:30 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: Campion

Right. My question was: Can Jindal run for POTUS?

Of course... legal scholars would be crawling out of the woodwork to say, “No!”


16 posted on 04/20/2011 10:03:52 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Yet he’s already thrown his support behind other controversial GOP efforts, such as the 14th Amendment rollback that would strip citizenship away from U.S.-born children of immigrants.”

Wow. I can pretty much guarantee Jindal has done no such thing, since there are no GOP efforts to strip citizenship from the children of *legal* immigrants.

You know you’re reading a left-wing open-borders rag when you see the phrase “illegal immigrant” replaced with simply “immigrant”.

Personally, I’ll be very surprised if Obama can’t produce an undetectable forgery BC by this point in time.

The real issue is that he is not “natural born” because his father was neither a US citizen nor a legal immigrant. The Constitution is quite clear that only someone born of two citizens can be POTUS. A BC showing BHO Sr. as the father does not make him eligible.


17 posted on 04/20/2011 10:04:42 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: TigerClaws

Jindal is not a natural-born citizen.

A permanent resident is still an alien resident and is subject to deportation from the United States. A citizen can never be deported from the United States.

from wiki:
a Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR), has been officially granted immigration benefits, which include permission to reside and take employment in the USA. The holder must maintain permanent resident status, and can be removed from the United States if certain conditions of this status are not met.


18 posted on 04/20/2011 10:06:03 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

WOW! Country before ambition.


19 posted on 04/20/2011 10:11:04 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Bridge_toofar; TigerClaws; blueplum
Jindal’s both parents were in US legally on immigrant visa which is also known as green card.

Incorrect. His mother was on a student visa and his father was on a "student's spouse" visa. They were not permanent residents.

They later used Jindal's anchor-baby status as leverage to get green cards and ultimately naturalization.

20 posted on 04/20/2011 10:26:00 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz

One does NOT need an anchor baby to become US citizen. I entered the US on a student visa. My employer (a large corporation) sponsored me for immigrant visa based on my unusually good skills. After that I had to wait 5 years to apply for a US citizenship which was granted based on 2 US citizens vouch for my character and I had an interview with immigration to test my knowledge of English and the US Constitution. That was many moons ago.


21 posted on 04/20/2011 10:39:33 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: Bridge_toofar

I should add that I did not even become a father until long after becoming a citizen. At the time my child was born, both her parents were US citizens, me being naturalized and mother born & raised in US citizen. So I am assuming my daughter who is studying for a law degree would be eligible to run.


22 posted on 04/20/2011 10:57:11 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: Bridge_toofar
I am assuming my daughter who is studying for a law degree would be eligible to run.

Under anyone's definition of NBC, she would be when old enough.

23 posted on 04/20/2011 11:12:43 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Williams

Exactly! Not "self-destructive" but "self-less". It's a bit like George Washington not pursuing a Kingdom though he doubtless could have had one. The history books will remember Jindal fondly for this.


24 posted on 04/21/2011 12:11:54 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This would be a clever ploy by Jindal. He’s signs the bill then declares for the Presidency which would put all other candidates on the spot and the Obots would be in a conundrum as do they challenge him or not. This would clearly put the focus on Jindal’s non-citizen parents and thus Ø’s alleged father.


25 posted on 04/21/2011 1:05:36 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: so_real; Williams; 2ndDivisionVet; bjorn14
Exactly! Not "self-destructive" but "self-less". It's a bit like George Washington not pursuing a Kingdom though he doubtless could have had one. The history books will remember Jindal fondly for this.

Praying you are correct!

If Jindal loves his country, he will do the statesmanlike and courageous thing.

26 posted on 04/21/2011 1:19:03 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: piytar
" America IS in deep trouble "

America already IS in deep trouble...
27 posted on 04/21/2011 2:50:44 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: plainolamerican
" This one grand event would take our country back from the elitist scumbags in both gangs. R and D. "


D & R gang thugs of the Ruling self elitist PIGS


The Self Elitist Ruling Class Pigs


ANIMAL FARM







28 posted on 04/21/2011 3:02:32 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: OldNewYork

“As far as I know, no state requires the governor be a natural born citizen.”

Right, it’s only required for Pres and VP. It was just brought up because Jindal was being talked up a lot in ‘08 thru ‘10 as a possible future Pres candidate.


29 posted on 04/21/2011 7:51:37 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: Williams; All

“And IF a “birther” bill would prevent him from running, and he signs it into law, isn’t that a selfless act on his part?”

Yes, totally. It shows what a stand-up guy he is, bless his heart. From his stand on related issues, it seems citizenship and immigration are important causes to him.


30 posted on 04/21/2011 7:55:55 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: TigerClaws

Is Jindal a NBC?


I believe Jindal made an offhand comment once about not running for president, because he isn’t a natural born citizen.

Jindal was born on US soil to parents that were both here legally, but niether of Jindal’s parents were citizens at the time of his birth. It seems Jindal has put some thought into what the term natural born citizen.

None of these laws are making their way into law. Unless they do, it won’t matter a whit.

It will only take 1 state to pass one of these laws for it all to blow up. It won’t matter how far Obama is in LA in the polls, if he refuses to do something simple like produce his birth certificate so he can be on the ballot, alarm bells will go off in all 50 states.


31 posted on 04/21/2011 8:06:01 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: The Cajun

“maybe Bobby Jindal is a politician who puts the Constitution ahead of political ambition”

It’s sad that most immigrants (and their kids) seem to value U.S. citizenship and our Constitution more than a LOT of our own native citizens, who either take them for granted or denigrate them, isn’t it?


32 posted on 04/21/2011 8:11:18 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: OldNewYork
... why would Democrats be so concerned about having to prove their candidate’s eligibility ...

For the same reason they don't want their voters to have to prove themselves qualified or even if they are who they say they are. They are world class cheaters and frauds.

33 posted on 04/21/2011 8:50:42 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: TigerClaws

“Is Jindal a NBC?”

No. While born in this country both his parents were not yet naturalized citizens at the time of his birth.


34 posted on 04/21/2011 11:54:05 AM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: llandres
It’s sad that most immigrants (and their kids) seem to value U.S. citizenship and our Constitution more than a LOT of our own native citizens........

To be honest, I thought of that while I made my post.
I may not be in favor of everything Bobby does, but I think he shows more honor and sincerity than most of our home grown clowns.
Like you said, it is indeed a sad thing.

35 posted on 04/21/2011 1:38:53 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: Kellis91789

“Personally, I’ll be very surprised if Obama can’t produce an undetectable forgery BC by this point in time.”

That’s been my fear for some time. If he and so many others could pull off this elaborate fraud for such a long time, don’t you think they will also have a way to do just as you say, produce an undetectable forgery of the BC before long? That’s why the word needs to get out there about the NBC issue and undisputable fact that BHO has dual citizenship through his alien father. And those with a public forum, Trump and anyone else brave enough, have to also concentrate on that aspect of BHO’s ineligibility - often and vocally.


36 posted on 04/22/2011 12:35:38 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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