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Palin outlines doctrine for use of force, picks new foreign policy adviser
Hot Air ^ | May 3, 2011 | J.E. Dyer

Posted on 05/03/2011 3:33:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: OldDeckHand
Nobody, literally nobody, with any expertise in constitutional law would argue that the War Powers Act (or Resolution if you prefer) is constitutional. No President has treated it as such. Several have repudiated it explicitly and Presidents of both parties have refused to follow it. No Congress has insisted that any President comply with it. No House has ever impeached or tried to impeach a President for flouting the War Powers Act. It's a dead letter, an historical curiosity, a product of the leftist revolt against the Vietnam War long since overtaken by events. Anyone who cites it is, to be charitable, naive.

Outside the world of black helicopters and sinister plots involving fluoridation, the War Powers Act is a punch line, not the basis of a serious argument.

21 posted on 05/03/2011 5:37:32 PM PDT by fluffdaddy (Who died and made the Supreme Court God?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought a month or so ago Palin was advocating a no-fly zone in Libya. In fact I think it was the Washington Times or NY Post that called it the “Palin Doctrine”. How do these words square with that? Seems to me Palin is coming around to Michele Bachmann’s position.


22 posted on 05/03/2011 5:46:39 PM PDT by ejdrapes ("Trump is NO conservative." - Jim Robinson)
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To: fluffdaddy
"It's a dead letter,"

That phrase doesn't mean what you think it does.

23 posted on 05/03/2011 6:00:28 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Bigtigermike
Hey BIGDOUCHEBAGMIKE. I don't know how many times you have to be told, but if you're going to mention someone by name, you're suppose to ping them.

Even you can't be that dense, sport.

24 posted on 05/03/2011 6:02:34 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
There has never been and will never be a Supreme Court opinion issued on the validity of the War Powers Act. Any case on the subject would present a non-justiciable political question. The only law on the subject emerges from the course of dealing between Congress and the President. Presidents deny that the War Powers Act is valid and Congress won't take any steps to enforce it. That's where the matter ends. The law in question isn't valid. It is a dead letter.

Yes some future Congress could, in theory, try to revive it. France could restore the Bourbon monarchy and Russia could bring back the Romanovs, but it isn't going to happen. Unless you want to be a laughingstock on a par with French and Russian monarchists, it's time to give up this weird obsession with the War Powers Act. To be blunt, you have no idea what you are talking about.

25 posted on 05/03/2011 6:28:46 PM PDT by fluffdaddy (Who died and made the Supreme Court God?)
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To: fluffdaddy
"There has never been and will never be a Supreme Court opinion issued on the validity of the War Powers Act"

You should have stopped right there. Everything that comes after, is wrong.

In this country, acts of Congress are presumptively constitutional. The Supreme Court doesn't have to validate any law the Legislature passes. Put another way, laws enacted by Congress are constitutional until the Supreme Court says that they aren't. But, you knew that already, right?

Whether or not the Court would hear a challenge to the War Power Resolution, or dismiss it as a nonjusticiable political question, until the Supreme Court says it's not constitutional, it is constitutional.

"It is a dead letter."

There you go again, using phrases you don't understand.

"To be blunt, you have no idea what you are talking about."

Whatever I do or do not know, it's pretty clear that we've established you don't have the frist clue about American jurisprudence.

Lastly, if the War Power Act didn't mean anything, as you suggest, why then did George HW Bush get an authorization for force in 1991, and why did his son get one 10-years later?

The question of the War Powers Act is not a legal one, it is a philosophical one. I do NOT want another White House occupant who believes the US Armed Forces is their own private diplomatic tool. Considering most founders didn't even want a standing army, it's unlikely to believe almost any of them would agree to the carte blanche presidents have exercised in their application of global military force.

26 posted on 05/03/2011 7:52:19 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand; ejdrapes

If you two don’t like women in positions of power, be it for religious reasons or something else, why don’t you just come out and say it? I know I’d respect you more for it than this ankle-biting that you do on so many Palin threads.


27 posted on 05/03/2011 8:09:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"If you two don’t like women in positions of power, be it for religious reasons or something else, why don’t you just come out and say it?"

If I don't like women in position of power? What?

If Michelle Bachmann is on the ballot by the time the primary gets to FL, there's a decent chance that's who I'm voting for since Barbour has decided not to run.

28 posted on 05/03/2011 8:11:54 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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29 posted on 05/03/2011 8:12:27 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She finally tossed the Soros-employed Washington lobbyist. Hurrah.


30 posted on 05/03/2011 8:15:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't care about seeing the shock on Obama's face. SHOW US THE SHOCK ON OSAMA'S FACE!)
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To: OldDeckHand

Since a House member has almost no chance of being nominated or elected, that’s a safe stance to take and shields you from what I just said. Funny, that’s what pissant used to say. Remind me what happened to him.


31 posted on 05/03/2011 8:22:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have no idea what happened to him, just like I couldn't give a rat's ass about what happens to you.

If you don't like my position on the painfully unqualified Sarah Palin, that's your problem, not mine.

32 posted on 05/03/2011 8:25:06 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: fluffdaddy

After the Battle of New Orleans, Andrew Jackson was charged with violating the constitution. For he declared martial law, impressed every able body man in New Orleans, armed, and ordered them to get their butts down on the levee and fight. He was tried, convicted and had to pay a sizable fine. Later IIRC, he said he would do same again, for in time of war, the constitution was not a suicide pact.


33 posted on 05/03/2011 8:31:02 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Being an autodidact, I happily escaped the bureaucratization of intellect)
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To: OldDeckHand
"If you don't like my position on the painfully unqualified Sarah Palin, that's your problem, not mine."

City Council, Mayor, Energy Commission Chairwoman, Governor, NYT best-selling author, highly-paid speaker, News analyst, had her own TV show, listened to by hundreds of millions of people, almost killed ObamaCare single-handedly and changed the House of Represenatives from Democrat to Republican, as well as getting other candidates elected at all different levels. Yeah, I see your point... LOL

34 posted on 05/03/2011 8:31:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: OldDeckHand

Uh, just saw Michele Bachmann on Fox say almost verbatim some of the things Palin espoused when she proffered her
foreign policy doctrine last night in CO.


36 posted on 05/03/2011 8:40:14 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Being an autodidact, I happily escaped the bureaucratization of intellect)
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To: OldDeckHand
You bet I do, especially when it doesn't meet the criteria outlined in the War Powers Resolution.

The War Powers Resolution is unconstitutional.

The Constitution states the powers of the president and congress when it comes to commanding, declaring and funding wars.

The War Powers Resolution of course can't change powers as defined in the Constitution.

37 posted on 05/03/2011 8:40:35 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: onyx; Virginia Ridgerunner; Lakeshark; DBeers; reformed_dem; Right Wingnut 2; Robert Drobot; ...

Ping!


38 posted on 05/03/2011 9:07:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: Michael Barnes

This position is pretty close to Reagan’s.


39 posted on 05/03/2011 10:02:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: OldDeckHand
"I do NOT want another White House occupant who believes the US Armed Forces is their own private diplomatic tool."

Well said. And precisely the same point Palin made in her 5 point "Doctrinal" outlay. She has very recently replaced her foreign policy advisers. I am glad she did.

If this shift is responsible for her shift in policy constraint, I say "Well done." All presidents have advisers, as none can be stand-alone experts on every minutiae-strewn subject on the planet, nor is it either realistic or fair for us to expect them to be.

If her new advisor has affected her position, that, too is a good sign. A president who is incapable of changing their position is often a president who refuses to listen to sound advice, or who is more concerned with "Admitting they were wrong" than they are with "Getting it right."

Palin, in her choice of Schweizer (sp?), and in her 5 Point "Doctrine," certainly seems to be getting it right. And that's a very good thing, too, as she will be our next president. Anyone who disagrees with either of these two last statements is simply unaware of the breadth and depth of her brilliance, and her base.

;-\

40 posted on 05/04/2011 3:34:17 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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