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Howard Dean warns Sarah Palin could beat Obama in 2012
The Hill ^ | June 4, 2011 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 06/04/2011 1:38:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Howard Dean, the former Democratic National Committee chairman who helped Democrats capture the White House in 2008, warns that Sarah Palin could defeat President Obama in 2012.

Dean says his fellow Democrats should beware of inside-the-Beltway conventional wisdom that Obama would crush Palin in a general-election contest next year.

“I think she could win,” Dean told The Hill in an interview Friday. “She wouldn’t be my first choice if I were a Republican but I think she could win.”

Dean warns the sluggish economy could have more of a political impact than many Washington strategists and pundits assume.

“Any time you have a contest — particularly when unemployment is as high as it is — nobody gets a walkover,” Dean said. “Whoever the Republicans nominate, including people like Sarah Palin, whom the inside-the-Beltway crowd dismisses — my view is if you get the nomination of a major party, you can win the presidency, I don’t care what people write about you inside the Beltway,” Dean said.

Dean spoke to The Hill the same day the Labor Department revealed the national economy added only 54,000 jobs in May and the national unemployment rate had risen to 9.1 percent.

Last month the private sector created 83,000 jobs, about a third the average for the previous three months.

Dean said he doesn’t think Palin will win the GOP nomination or would have the advantage over Obama in 2012. But he warned it is dangerous for Democrats to dismiss her.

Palin said Friday that she was "still weeks away" from making a decision about a presidential campaign.

“Anybody who gets the nomination could win the presidency,” he said. “Do I think she’s going to get the nomination? No. But that process is so difficult and really tests candidates in ways that no other process can."

Dean knows the rigors of presidential primaries first hand. In 2004, his unconventional campaign briefly put him in contention for the Democratic nod before the eventual winner, Sen. John Kerry (Mass.), pulled away.

“Anybody who survives the process can win the presidency,” he added.

Dean said Republicans made the mistake of underestimating Bill Clinton in the rest of the Democratic field in 1991 when former President George H.W. Bush seemed to have a strong advantage but the economy was still mired in recession.

“I can remember Bill Clinton, I think, was one of the seven dwarfs,” Cain said. “This goes on every four years and I think it’s best not to pay attention to that kind of talk.”

Bruce Cain, a political science and public policy professor and director of the University of California Washington Center, subscribes to the prevailing view that Palin would be a weak opponent against Obama.

“I stand with conventional wisdom that she’s way too flawed,” Cain. “Polls show that many women and independent voters aren’t happy with her.”

Cain believes the national economy must sink back into recession and unemployment swell to double digits before Palin becomes dangerous to Obama.

“If unemployment soars back up to double digits, voters will tune out any personal differences and be desperate for an alternative,” Cain said.

Dean thinks former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, Jr. (R), who recently finished serving as the Obama administration’s ambassador to China, would be the president’s most dangerous general-election opponent in 2012, a view shared by many Democrats.

“He is an independent. He is a moderate on some social issues and has a strong record as a governor and also has international experience that I think is lacking in every other candidate,” Dean said, comparing Huntsman to the rest of the GOP field.

Dean, however, doubts Huntsman, who has little national name recognition, could win the GOP primary.

Cain, of the University of California, said Dean’s view of Huntsman matches up with the conventional wisdom of many Democrats.

He says Huntsman would be especially strong in the general election if unemployment and growth numbers fail to improve.

“With Huntsman or a more credible candidate, Obama could be in trouble with unemployment in the 9 percent range and [economic] growth at one percent,” he said.


TOPICS: Vermont; Campaign News; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: democrats; economy; howarddean; huntsman; obama; palin; sarahpalin; unemployment
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Once in awhile all his meds kick in and he has moments of lucidity. So Gov. Huntsman is this year's Gov. Romney? Why do the Democrats want to face a Mormon, or does that question answer itself?
1 posted on 06/04/2011 1:38:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Arrrrrrrrrrh!


2 posted on 06/04/2011 1:39:17 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Clinton is still one of the seven dwarfs.


3 posted on 06/04/2011 1:41:21 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s still pushing the beltway line for Bush-Huntsman.


4 posted on 06/04/2011 1:41:39 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Dean thinks former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, Jr. (R), who recently finished serving as the Obama administration’s ambassador to China, would be the president’s most dangerous general-election opponent in 2012, a view shared by many Democrats."

Ahahahaha! Why not Gary Johnson Howard?

5 posted on 06/04/2011 1:42:22 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dean, you magnificent asshat! Nobody cares what you think. Go help your boy Edwards.


6 posted on 06/04/2011 1:44:12 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: bgill

Gotta love the Dean Scream especially in this music video!

Dean Reloaded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwto2s_FbnI


7 posted on 06/04/2011 1:44:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Sure, but he didn't dismiss Palin at all, infact very respectful of her chances.
8 posted on 06/04/2011 1:45:23 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dr. Howard! Dr. Dean! Dr. Howard!


9 posted on 06/04/2011 1:47:33 PM PDT by PlateOfShrimp
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To: Palter

As I’ve said before, if you or I had the Republican nomination, there’s a better than even chance we’d be the next president. Mr. Obama is, by far, the worst chief executive in our history, by leaps and bounds.


10 posted on 06/04/2011 1:49:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (How do you starve an Obama supporter? Hide his food stamps under his work boots.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yup huntsman is such a threat the dems are running attack ads against him. oh wait......


11 posted on 06/04/2011 1:50:15 PM PDT by Jeff Vader
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

give that man somemore lithium.....


12 posted on 06/04/2011 1:52:56 PM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The line from “Animal House” about Bluto comes to mind.

Howie’s “...right. Psychotic, but absolutely right.”


13 posted on 06/04/2011 1:53:19 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well I’d vote for you...or Elmer Fudd...my guess is either of you could beat this idiot.


14 posted on 06/04/2011 1:53:41 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Obama; a skid mark on the undershorts of American history.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought this was satire. Dean recognizing Palin can whup The Fool?


15 posted on 06/04/2011 1:53:45 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought this was satire. Dean recognizing Palin can whup The Fool?


16 posted on 06/04/2011 1:54:29 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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Bruce Cain believes the national economy must sink back into recession and unemployment swell to double digits before Palin becomes dangerous to Obama.

Both conditions have been met.
The government is fudging the stats to hide those facts.

17 posted on 06/04/2011 1:56:25 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: gitmo

It’s her call. Just wait until next summer when it’s all washed up. Voting for a marxist has it’s consequences.


18 posted on 06/04/2011 1:57:59 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for posting this! When Little Barry heard what Dean said, he ordered another gross of nicorette gum. When they find out about it at DemocraticUnderground, the drugs, booze and prescription pills will flow, and those who have none of the above will be scraping pieces of their brains off the walls and ceiling.Hehe.

Re: Huntsman. Whenever a Dem pundit says Huntsman would be formidable, it means one thing. They are so intellectually limited, they can’t think outside the liberal box. In their minds, the whole country thinks like they do, and they heart Obama. So they pick the GOPer most like Obama, and imagine that is the strongest GOP candidate. There is no cure for pathologically small minds.


19 posted on 06/04/2011 1:58:10 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go Sarah!


20 posted on 06/04/2011 2:02:58 PM PDT by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While I like Palin, it’s this sort of statement from crazy-assed “YEAARGH” Dean and the rest of the LSM that leads me to discount their judgment (once again):

“Dean said Republicans made the mistake of underestimating Bill Clinton in the rest of the Democratic field in 1991...”

Clinton never would have “won” in 1992 if Perot and his independents had not left the GOP.

I don’t blame them for leaving, heck they’re today’s Tea Party, but any analysis of how Clinton “won” which does not acknowledge the effect Perot had on the election is asinine.


21 posted on 06/04/2011 2:04:06 PM PDT by Gothmog (I fight for Xev)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

ROFLOL!


22 posted on 06/04/2011 2:21:40 PM PDT by RedMDer (Throw the Rats and RINOs out!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is not news. I have a feeling my golden retriever puppy could beat Obama.


23 posted on 06/04/2011 2:31:47 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He knows better. The Dems would love to see the uneducated, platitude spewing Palin to get the nomination.

Palin should have left the scene for a while and studied up and come back as a real conservative voice come 16.


24 posted on 06/04/2011 2:36:27 PM PDT by amihow
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dean warns the sluggish economy could have more of a political impact than many Washington strategists and pundits assume.

Yep, and the economy is going nowhere fast. The only way it can be given a sustained boost is opening up traditional energy development, which Obama's supposedly against on ideological grounds, ie global warming.

We'll see. I think he'll moderate his crippling energy policies in time to accomplish his main ideological objective, getting re-elected in 2012.
25 posted on 06/04/2011 2:39:04 PM PDT by caveat emptor (FUBO)
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To: Big_Harry; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; ~Peter; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 3D-JOY; 4woodenboats; ...

Note “Hat Tip FReepers” in Article.

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2011/06/sarah-palin-says-it-as-it-is-video.html


26 posted on 06/04/2011 2:39:20 PM PDT by FARS (Be healthy, happy and thrive,)
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To: amihow

That was a good imitation of a Kos Kid or DUmmie. Now tell us what you really think. Or are you Chuck Krauthammer?


27 posted on 06/04/2011 2:41:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (How do you starve an Obama supporter? Hide his food stamps under his work boots.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"“Polls show that many women and independent voters aren’t happy with her.” "

I've met about 1/2 dozen women of child-bearing age...otherwise moderately conservative...who say they "just don't like her" and are unable to articulate a reason beyond that.

And women are, by far, the majority of "independent voters".

28 posted on 06/04/2011 2:42:38 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Palter

Howard Dean is scum. Whatever he says should cause you to worry.


29 posted on 06/04/2011 2:45:21 PM PDT by dforest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“She wouldn’t be my first choice if I were a Republican but I think she could win.” (Said Howard Dean)

THAT's pretty funny! I mean Howard Dean thinking like a Republican!

30 posted on 06/04/2011 2:56:33 PM PDT by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another senior Democrat engaging in their time-honored hobby... selecting the Republican’s nominee for them. Up till now most the the senior dems had thought that they softened up Sarah Palin to the point that she could not possibly win the presidency. Howard Dean isn’t so sure.


31 posted on 06/04/2011 3:00:15 PM PDT by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: amihow

You must be either a troll or just very ignorant of basic facts - just looking through FR there is enough articles of Palin giving out policy issues or leading discussions that most of the other potential candidates have never touch. For example, none except Palin has giving out any plan and reasons for military action around the world, she gave a 5 points plan.


32 posted on 06/04/2011 3:01:09 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: amihow

“The Dems would love to see the uneducated, platitude spewing Palin to get the nomination.”

If they would love it so much, then why to they attack her 24/7? What would be the point? Why try to destroy her if you don’t think she’s the strongest candidate?

Please point to one thing she has actually said or done that would make any conservative NOT vote for her?

(crickets...)


33 posted on 06/04/2011 3:13:04 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Howard Dean is a crazy kitten strangler. And here, a blind pig.


34 posted on 06/04/2011 3:13:40 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: amihow
Thank you for your concern...it has been duly noted and now ignored.
35 posted on 06/04/2011 3:31:41 PM PDT by JPG (Sarah Palin, driving the MSM crazy one day at a time.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yep. I think there's a large number or people that voted for the “historical” part of 0bama’s run and another large number that voted for the generic “Hope and Change” mantra as a protest against the media portrayal of Bush who are currently appalled at what they see in 0bama. They may not be willing to admit it publicly or to pollsters, but they've already resolved to to give the mulatto usurper a chance at a second term.

0bama has an uphill battle ahead of him for sure. Facing Palin or Cain will be his hardest fight because their approval numbers will certainly rise as the truth gets out about them and 0bama’s numbers will remain flat or will fall. He's basically done unless the pubbies cram through another middle-of-the-road, go-along-to-get-along RINO and force a bunch of us to leave the top ticket blank next year.

36 posted on 06/04/2011 3:33:06 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: bgill

If she makes the decision NOT to run it would be based on her believing that the American people prefer Obama or a traditional Republican machine establishment candidate, and not someone for from the Tea Party. She is almost forced into running if this but she knows that if she says she isn’t, that’s the end of the gravy train. That is why an announcement is “weeks away” ??


37 posted on 06/04/2011 3:33:15 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: erlayman
That is why an announcement is “weeks away” ??

An annoucement is "weeks away" because the deadline for the ankle-biters to file additional bogus ethics complaints in Alaska is "weeks away".

About July 26.

38 posted on 06/04/2011 3:38:09 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Resolved NOT to give...

(sorry for the bad typing)


39 posted on 06/04/2011 3:40:36 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: coolbreeze

Ping!!!


40 posted on 06/04/2011 3:44:34 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: FARS

Question is Howard Dean going scream if Sarah Palin does beat Obama LOL!


41 posted on 06/04/2011 3:52:11 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Well, eee-yahh Howard. Baby killer. Thanks FARS.


42 posted on 06/04/2011 3:57:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Complete b.s. on his part and he knows it.


43 posted on 06/04/2011 4:45:57 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Howard Dean warns Sarah Palin could beat Obama in 2012

"YEERR! ARRRH... YAAARGH!"

However did the break the code?

44 posted on 06/04/2011 5:58:32 PM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: FARS; 2ndDivisionVet; onyx; Virginia Ridgerunner; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000

Dean warns sluggish economy could have more impact than many Washington pundits assume.

45 posted on 06/04/2011 6:03:12 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: JPG

http://www.redstate.com/jleigh42/2011/06/02/why-sarah-palin-must-not-run-for-president/


46 posted on 06/04/2011 7:20:10 PM PDT by amihow
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To: amihow
You described Gov Palin as ‘uneducated’ which I consider to be a cheap shot. Her earned college degree and her success in running for elected offices in AK do not denote an uneducated person. Make whatever points you wish to make, but make them on facts or reasoned opinions and not on smear tactics.
47 posted on 06/04/2011 7:39:14 PM PDT by JPG (Sarah Palin, driving the MSM crazy one day at a time.)
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 06/04/2011 7:50:35 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe she could, maybe she couldn’t, but regardless, I’m not the least interested in Howard Dean’s opinions. I can’t remotely know whether his is being honest or calculating. So his words are meaningless.


49 posted on 06/04/2011 7:59:12 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Sarah Palin is on the ballot, she CAN win the election!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvP63ETpjbM


50 posted on 06/04/2011 8:50:47 PM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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