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The battle for social conservativesí vote (Or Rick Perry's extravagant tax-paid lifestyle)
The Washington Posts' Right Turn ^ | July 19, 2011 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 07/20/2011 9:11:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Lurking behind the anticipation over Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s entrance into the Republican primary is a critical question: Can he take social conservatives away from their current favorite, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.)?

Perry, to the surprise of many GOP operatives, seems to be aiming to be the darling of the social conservatives rather than to emphasize his impressive fiscal record. In other words, he’s aiming for Bachmann’s base. But it remains to be seen if that is wise.

I met with a prominent social conservative leader with a vast grass-roots network. The leader acknowledged that there is a real danger from social conservatives’ perspective that Bachmann and Perry will carve up the vote and allow Mitt Romney to slide through. Could they get behind one or the other to prevent such a split? The leader laughed, “We’re not very good at that. If we try, we winding up making everyone mad.”

The issues on which Bachmann is skewered in the mainstream media (gay marriage, most clearly) are the very things that endear her to the base. And while she has eschewed playing the media victim, as Sarah Palin often has, it certainly is true that being attacked by liberal pundits and groups does nothing but raise her stock among grass,roots social conservatives.

There is an issue, however, that may be decisive, that on its face has nothing to do with social issues. It is no secret that many social conservatives are part of or share the same principles as the Tea Party, most especially the notion that professional politicians are out of control, feel entitled and don’t live under the same economic constraints as the rest of us....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Texas; Campaign News; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: bachmann; palin; perry; texas
We already have a de facto president and first lady who think they won a 5 star all-expenses paid four-to-eight year luxury vacation with unlimited lobster and Wagyu steaks.
1 posted on 07/20/2011 9:11:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Comparing Perry to Obama? What a joke.


2 posted on 07/20/2011 9:20:05 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
-"playing the media victim, as Sarah Palin often has"

Sara Palin does not have to "play" the media victim, she 'is' the media victim! Idiot!

3 posted on 07/20/2011 9:24:30 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
-"playing the media victim, as Sarah Palin often has"

Sara Palin does not have to "play" the media victim, she 'is' the media victim! Idiot!

4 posted on 07/20/2011 9:26:07 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This Texan would prefer NOT to have to hold her nose and vote for Rick Perry.


5 posted on 07/20/2011 9:28:09 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If this is all they can find on Perry, he is sounding pretty good. This is praising with faint damns.


6 posted on 07/20/2011 9:29:58 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: basil
Rick Perry is not a true conservative and he is not a true Christian. He may fool a lot of gullible people, but I've got him pegged. I'm not holding my nose to vote for another of these RINOs again. Photobucket
7 posted on 07/20/2011 9:48:12 PM PDT by abcc2011 (Christian and conservative.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Extravagant? Right. /s

The governor's mansion was damaged by fire. He can't live there and he can't work there. We're probably saving money by renting a house in which he can live, work, and entertain - securely.

$10k a month for rent, utilities, and upkeep on a rental home is a bargain when compared to what we'd be paying if we had to pay for him to live in a hotel, rent office space for him to work, and rent private entertainment venues for his official state dinners and parties - and pay for extra security at all of those places.

8 posted on 07/20/2011 9:56:04 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: abcc2011

Who are you to judge the condition of Rick Perry’s soul? If you have specific evidence, as we do with Obama, that Perry is lying about his faith in Jesus Christ, then please present it. Otherwise, your claim is disgusting and baseless. From the statements on your home page, you appear to be a Palin supporter. Sarah Palin seems very confident in Perry’s profession of faith. She would know more than you whether or not Perry is a believer.


9 posted on 07/20/2011 10:05:24 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Gov. Palin is no *victim*. She has been attacked relentlessly for almost 3 years now, and she remains unbowed, and as someone said, “Undefeated”. Just b/c she doesn’t stand silently like a punching bag a la Bush, doesn’t mean that she considers herslf to be a victim. That is the absurd mantra toward those who strike back against them twice as hard. Pretty soon THEY will all be feeling like victims of Sarah’ razor sharp attacks on them.


10 posted on 07/20/2011 10:05:38 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about speaker Pelosi and her extravagance? They actually ordered more planes for leadership during her tenure.


11 posted on 07/20/2011 10:07:36 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Then Gov. Huckabee of Arkansas and his family lived in a triple-wide manufactured home donated to that state by a manufacturer while the governor’s mansion was renovated.

The Governor’s Mobile Mansion
http://littlerock.about.com/cs/government/a/redneckgov.htm

Arkansas Gov. Moves Into Triple-Wide Trailer
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=123041&page=1

Arkansas Gov To Call Modular Mansion Home
http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=14103


12 posted on 07/20/2011 10:07:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Then Gov. Huckabee of Arkansas and his family lived in a triple-wide manufactured home donated to that state by a manufacturer while the governor’s mansion was renovated.’

That was his choice — I don’t think governors should live in donated mobile homes.

I am more interested in not spending money on BIG ticket items in the budget and effective leadership.

How many jobs did Huckabee create?

Perry’s Texas created as many jobs as all the other states put together.


13 posted on 07/20/2011 10:19:07 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Publicity stunt.


14 posted on 07/20/2011 10:26:22 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And? This is Texas not Arkansas. We wouldn’t dream of asking Governor Perry to court business executives from California by entertaining them in a damn triple-wide trailer. He’d rightly be considered a joke and Texas wouldn’t get the private sector jobs that have been pouring into the state.

To suggest that Perry run the business of the Great State of Texas from a donated, triple-wide trailer is ludicrous. Huck was a fool to make that comparison.

Take a look at how we do business in Texas - Cowboys’ Stadium and The Ballpark in Arlington are two such examples. We’re playing with the big boys for major money and influence. We don’t have time for silliness.


15 posted on 07/20/2011 10:29:14 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: basil

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Quality Free Republic Perry Links : 2002
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RINO TX Gov. Perry trashes GOP Platform, disagrees with 50% of planks, supports only 7
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/715523/posts

“PASTOR ARRESTED FOR PREACHING”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/723946/posts
This article states, “Texas Gov. Rick Perry didn’t really want a ‘hate-crimes’ bill to land
on his desk. But when it did, he signed it inside of three hours.“

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Quality Free Republic Perry Links : 2003
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Laredo Democrat Accuses Governor Perry of “Political Blackmail”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/931825/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1030247/posts
In the last Texas governor’s race, the “white” Republican candidate, Rick Perry (BTW, isn’t Perry a common
Melungeon name?) was darker complected than the “minority” Democrat candidate, Tony Sanchez,
who was very obviously of the Caucasian race, with fair skin, blue eyes, and, at a younger age, light brown hair.

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Quality Free Republic Perry Links : 2004
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TX Primary Analysis (How RINO Gov. Perry nominated a Democrat environmental wacko to our courts)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1095994/posts

State approves bid for I-35 toll alternative (hmmm, I wonder...)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1303145/posts
Gov. Rick Perry, who proposed the 4,000-mile Trans-Texas Corridor during the 2002
election campaign, made an unusual appearance at today’s commission meeting, joining
the commissioners on the dais for a long presentation on the I-35 alternative.

Texas Gov. Perry denies reports about divorce, infidelity
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091259/posts

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Quality Free Republic Perry Links : 2005
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Perry names judge in Houston (re-appoints judge who got the boot by voters in the GOP primary)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1352512/posts
If Perry was anymore of a rino he would be grey with a horn in his forehead.

Perry, Hutchison stand apart on toll road legislation issue (Trans-Texas Corridor)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1401995/posts
If this ole Texan has anything to do with it he won’t be re-elected. Even if I have to vote for a dead democrat.

Plano, TX: “Officials lay bricks in symbolic start for Muslim center”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1427422/posts
Gov. Rick Perry flew in to lay the first ceremonial brick for the center’s foundation.

Alternative plans for Trans-Texas Corridor take shape
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1355408/posts


16 posted on 07/20/2011 10:35:46 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’ve lived in Texas twice: stationed at Fort Hood from 1979-81 and lived & worked in Fort Worth after Katrina destroyed my business in Biloxi. We are working on getting Mrs. 2ndDivisionVet transferred back to D/FW. I like Texas a lot. The real estate deals and the variety of stores, alone, makes D/FW better than most places. I just think it’ll look bad to some people in these hard times.


17 posted on 07/20/2011 10:36:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

In Arkansas a triple-wide trailer is an upgrade. The Governor’s mansion is a ‘78 Winnebago on blocks.


18 posted on 07/20/2011 10:40:32 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: BuckeyeTexan

This would replace the whole complex!! LOL

19 posted on 07/20/2011 10:41:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And we’ll be glad to have you if you make it back to Texas.

As long as Perry properly explains the situation (with way less arrogance than I did) and outlines the costs of other options, they’ll see that we chose a reasonable option to enable him to run the state’s business.

We have to compete with California and New York and we do so at far less expense to our taxpayers.


20 posted on 07/20/2011 10:48:52 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Right on. That’s greatness.


21 posted on 07/20/2011 10:50:03 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: abcc2011

That’s how I feel. I can’t put my finger on it, and I hadn’t really taken a look at him before a couple of weeks ago (being far from Texas).

I’ve watched him on youtube, I’ve read about him.

At first I thought it was the hair that bothered me, but I can’t really put my finger on it.

He’s “smarmy”.

My grandfather always said “trust your gut”.

I mean, he says all the right things in public, and maybe that’s it, he’s too polished. Like Mitt. He just oozes “politician”, and maybe that’s it. I’m sick of professional politicians, and this guy has the professional political aura about him.

I could be wrong, I probably am, and I’ll pull the lever for anyone but Obama, but my gut tells me, I don’t want this guy to be our candidate, and I can’t back that up with any thing substantial, and I wish I could, because maybe he is the greatest conservative known to mankind. I’m just not buying it at this time.


22 posted on 07/20/2011 10:52:42 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: smoothsailing
The Clinton Library in Little Rock is the ultimate triple wide.


23 posted on 07/21/2011 3:17:05 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We already have a de facto president and first lady who think they won a 5 star all-expenses paid four-to-eight year luxury vacation with unlimited lobster and Wagyu steaks.There's a phrase for that phenomenon, associated with the lavish spending of sudden money, but it is politically incorrect.
24 posted on 07/21/2011 3:21:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: truthfreedom

Thanks! I knew most of this, but there are a couple of things I had missed.

I don’t understand why Guvner Goodhair gets so much support here on FR. About the only thing I can say in his favor is that he’s probably a bit better than obammy.........

Surely we can do better than Perry.


25 posted on 07/21/2011 6:09:59 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: abcc2011

Only God the Father knows the heart of a man.

For any man to say Mr. Perry isn’t a true Christian is folly at best, hubris at worst.

I won’t defend Mr. Perry from your charge of RINO, but I will defend him or her (yes, even Obama) who says he’s a Christian. I do not know his heart. I know Obama’s actions, and while they are not those of what I would call Christian, neither were David’s (adultery, murder, fornication ring a bell?) Neither are mine (lusts of the flesh, etc), for that matter. But God knows my heart.


26 posted on 07/21/2011 6:52:00 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder (I sure hope there is a New Morning in America soon. All this hope and change is leaving me depressed)
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To: alstewartfan
-"Gov. Palin is no *victim*.

I won't argue the point with you because I believe that you 'misinterpreted' what I was saying. But, I will clarify, as you well put it, Sarah "has been attacked relentlessly for almost 3 years now", my point is to confirm that, that is exactly what has occurred (i.e. she has been 'victimized'), and that she does not have to 'act out' or 'play' the victim, because she has actually been the 'victim' in fact, not fiction.

27 posted on 07/21/2011 7:15:46 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: Leroy S. Mort

All it needs is one of those “Wide Load” banners! LOL.


28 posted on 07/21/2011 8:47:26 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"We already have a de facto president and first lady who think they won a 5 star all-expenses paid four-to-eight year luxury vacation with unlimited lobster and Wagyu steaks."

I agree. We've got one of those in the White House already Considering the shape the country's in, it's high time our politicians quit living like European royalty.

I've shopped houses in that part of the country. Perry could have bought himself a pretty nice spread on the $700,000 it's already cost out of the Texas treasury, and the state would have an asset instead of an ongoing liability.

Perry's only real constituency is southern evangelicals. When you hold a light up to his fiscal record, it's full of holes. After 10+ years of this huckster, Texas has a higher state/local debt burden than California. He's not done much but raid the state treasury for big campaign donors, line his pockets, and live like a rockstar.

He's desperate to get out of Austin because the jig's about up. He and his buddies cooked the books on this year's budget by delaying the payout of several billion by one day, thereby rolling it over into the next fiscal year. Texas writes budgets every two years, so the timebomb goes off in 2013.

The beltway bunch, of course, already know Perry's fatally flawed and are planning to use him as a blocking back to clear a hole for Mitt to run through.
29 posted on 07/21/2011 8:53:28 AM PDT by CowboyJay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Huckabee’s living in a trailer was silly, IMO, but Perry’s digs smack of aristocracy. Done just like a Democrat! One more reason why I don’t care for this guy. Bob


30 posted on 07/21/2011 9:32:36 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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To: The Bronze Titan

I totally agree with you, except that Sarah casts her victimization right back in their faces. They’re now shooting blanks. I did misinterpret what you said, b/c many here accuse her of playing a victim when she defends herself, and attacks her accusers. Cordially, Bob


31 posted on 07/21/2011 9:36:43 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
CLICK!
32 posted on 07/21/2011 9:38:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Ro_Thunder
I encourage you to read this three-part series by Alexander LaBrecque about Obama's "faith." When I read it in 2008, I knew without a doubt in my heart that Obama does not have a personal relationship with Jesus.

Obama's Religious Ruse: 'I've Always Been a Christian'
Obama's Religious Ruse: His 'Conversion'
Obama's Religious Ruse: The Cult of the Marxist Messiah

33 posted on 07/21/2011 9:57:59 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: CowboyJay
You learn all that up there in Colorado, Cowboy Jay?

Who is your candidate in this Primary?

34 posted on 07/21/2011 9:59:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: alstewartfan

np
PALIN 2012


35 posted on 07/21/2011 10:08:34 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"You learn all that up there in Colorado, Cowboy Jay?

Who is your candidate in this Primary?"


Not all of it. Some of it I learned first-hand living in Texas. That was before the place burned down. Really a shame. The TX governor's mansion was beautiful.

As for the rest, I still have friends in TX I talk to on a weekly basis. I can also read, and tend to take the information I glean from reading into account when forming my opinions.

I like Bachmann, Palin, and Cain, in roughly that order. There are a couple others in the race I'd be willing to consider as nose-holders. Perry is not one of them. His record puts him on-par with John McCain or Lindsey Graham IMO.

Do you have a second choice who might actually be a conservative? I feel the need to ask also - did you vote for Kay Bailey Hutchison in her senate primary bids?
36 posted on 07/21/2011 10:53:54 AM PDT by CowboyJay
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To: CowboyJay

I guess you don’t read enough CCJ.

I’ve posted quite a few threads on Palin.

As for K.B. Hutchison......she’s gotten my vote in the (R)general elections.


37 posted on 07/21/2011 10:56:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Who are you to judge the condition of Rick Perry’s soul? If you have specific evidence, as we do with Obama, that Perry is lying about his faith in Jesus Christ, then please present it.

He campaigned for a pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage candidate for President by the name of Rudy Giuliani just a few years ago. Most pro-lifers would not set aside their pro-life beliefs just because their friend is running for office, but I'll leave it up for you to decide whether a Christian would support a pro-abortion candidate for President.
38 posted on 07/21/2011 11:39:50 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Oh, I understand, I just know that there are people who are Christians, but certainly don’t act like it.

“So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.”

All I was trying to say is that while he doesn’t act Christian, I am certainly not going to judge whether he is or isn’t. When I’m in Heaven, I’ll know for sure, because he’ll either be there, or he won’t.

I was also cautioning myself, among others, that Daniel wouldn’t be viewed as a Christian, but many of his actions; so be careful, it’s a very slippery slope for any man to judge another mans salvation.


39 posted on 07/21/2011 11:48:23 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder (I sure hope there is a New Morning in America soon. All this hope and change is leaving me depressed)
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To: af_vet_rr

Campaigning for RG doesn’t make RP a liar about his own faith.

Sarah Palin is friends with Glenn Beck. She supports his efforts to expose progressives and says he is doing great work. She attended and spoke at Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally. Does her public support of Glenn Beck, who is a Mormon, imply that she set aside or betrayed her own religious beliefs for a friend?

No, it doesn’t.


40 posted on 07/21/2011 11:51:35 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: af_vet_rr

Campaigning for RG doesn’t make RP a liar about his own faith.

Sarah Palin is friends with Glenn Beck. She supports his efforts to expose progressives and says he is doing great work. She attended and spoke at Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally. Does her public support of Glenn Beck, who is a Mormon, imply that she set aside or betrayed her own religious beliefs for a friend?

No, it doesn’t.


41 posted on 07/21/2011 11:52:04 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Is Glenn Beck pro-abortion? No, he is not.

If this were 10 years ago, I could almost forgive somebody for campaigning for a pro-abortion Presidential candidate, but the older I get, the stronger I feel about being pro-life.
42 posted on 07/21/2011 11:54:51 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Ro_Thunder

I apologize for not being clear about the intent of my post. It wasn’t intended in any way as a rebuke for defending Obama’s faith. I certainly didn’t mean to imply that you should decide on the condition of BO’s soul. I just wanted to share with you a series of articles that opened my eyes about Obama’s religious ruse. I still encourage you to read them. They are very informative.


43 posted on 07/21/2011 11:59:47 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: af_vet_rr

I don’t think RP should have supported RG either, but his doing so is not grounds for concluding that he isn’t a Christian. (JMHO)


44 posted on 07/21/2011 12:02:55 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I don’t think RP should have supported RG either, but his doing so is not grounds for concluding that he isn’t a Christian. (JMHO)

Perry is a very compassionate person. I will not dispute that. He's given many speeches as Governor over the years in support of illegal immigrants and how tough it is for them and how we benefit from their labor, and the compassion he shows makes me almost want to join him in supporting them.

But, it's very hard to take somebody seriously when they claim to be pro-life, but turn around and support a pro-abortion candidate for President. It wasn't that long ago that I didn't take abortion as seriously as I should have, and I'm very ashamed of that, but I wasn't a Governor telling people that I was pro-life while I was supporting a pro-abortion candidate for President.
45 posted on 07/21/2011 12:16:44 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: alstewartfan
I sold manufactured housing when I first got down here after I divorced my first wife. Many of our trailers were nicer than most homes I've been in. We had a triple-wide and several double-wides that were outstanding, including a home theatre themed one and a nice NASCAR themed home. The triple-wide had a sunken living room with a stone fireplace, gourmet kitchen, a master suite and bath that were gorgeous and a built-in deck.
46 posted on 07/21/2011 12:37:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very interesting, Vet. I’ll bet that Huckster didn’t cost taxpayers $600,000 over two years in housing costs, as Perry did! I was assuming that Huck was living in a trailer to prove that he was a “man of the people”. Thanks, Bob


47 posted on 07/21/2011 3:59:36 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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