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Sarah Palin Determining Factor In VA GOP Primary
The Examiner ^ | August 6, 2011 | Khelil Bouarrouj

Posted on 08/06/2011 1:05:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A new survey by Public Policy Polling simply concludes, "The Presidential primary in Virginia depends greatly on whether or not Sarah Palin enters the race."

Palin has enough support that were she to enter or absent would be decisive in the votes the rest of the field secures. If Palin stays out of the race, Michele Bachmann, who appeals to the same Tea Party faction that Palin champions, would take the lead with 21% followed by Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Mitt Romney at 18%.

If Palin does run, she'll chip away at Bachmann's base and push Perry into the lead with 20%, followed by Romney at 16% and Bachmann falling to third at 15%. Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman remain unaffected by Palin either way. Each candidate maintains his respective position, roughly, no matter the circumstances. (Full survey).

In neither case does Palin lead, but by choosing to not join the GOP candidates she could determine the race. Virginia's Republican primary is usually held in the first half of the season, often in mid-February.

The GOP candidates will duke it out, but their goal is a shared one: defeating President Obama. And here all declared or probable candidates share a similar fate as well: defeat in November 2012.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Virginia; Campaign News; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: 2012; bachmann; obama; palin; perry; polls
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How can this be? I've been told by numerous pundits and people here that she is "finished," a "quitter," "unelectable," "idiotic," etc, etc...
1 posted on 08/06/2011 1:05:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The article indicates she’s a spoiler who trails both Perry and Bachmann.


2 posted on 08/06/2011 1:16:45 PM PDT by Huck
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This article is OBVIOUSLY incorrect. Palin is a RINO who is on absolutely NO ONE'S political radar. She is irrelevant.

Oh yeah, almost forgot...(/sarc)

3 posted on 08/06/2011 1:19:37 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (All hail Her Royal Highness Sarah, Queen of The Hobbits)
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To: LaybackLenny
This article assumes that Bachmann will be able to scrape up enough cash to stay in that long. Don't see it.
4 posted on 08/06/2011 1:25:20 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: Huck

Then the author imbibed on too much happy smoke last night.


5 posted on 08/06/2011 1:41:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don't know why you're gloating about this: it says she would prompt the election of a less conservative Perry over a more conservative Bachmann, who, by the way, HAS put herself out there, IN the campaign, ON the trail.

Course, Palin is "just waiting for the right time," as everyone keeps saying. I heard this was the 4th of July. I heard it was the 1st of August. Now it's Labor Day. Pretty soon it will be Valentine's Day, or whatever. I give kudos to Bachmann and Cain for actually being IN the race right now.

6 posted on 08/06/2011 1:44:05 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Did the author misreport the polling results?


7 posted on 08/06/2011 1:45:12 PM PDT by Huck
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A new survey by Public Policy Polling

Public Policy Polling is *now* reputable - and Sarah Palin's Traveling Freak Show continues on.

8 posted on 08/06/2011 1:50:29 PM PDT by jla
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To: Huck

PPP is a far-left democratic polling firm, often used by Daily Kos. Are you seriously going to defend them? My point was that even a pollster like that cannot deny Gov. Palin’s influence.


9 posted on 08/06/2011 1:51:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: LS

Did you know that then former Governor Ronald Reagan waited until November 13th, 1979 to announce his candidacy for the Republican nomination for president of the United States in the 1980 election?


10 posted on 08/06/2011 1:53:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: jla

And you are still a rude, pathological jerk.


11 posted on 08/06/2011 1:58:45 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Going down! (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: jla

got that dumbass gene huh


12 posted on 08/06/2011 2:05:45 PM PDT by advertising guy (if a politician from either party was to say hello to me, it should be law I can shoot em)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’re trying to have it both ways. Either the polling is relevant, in which case Palin is shown to be a spoiler at best, or the polling isn’t relevant, in which case your initial comment regarding this article is nonsense.


13 posted on 08/06/2011 2:10:54 PM PDT by Huck
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In neither case does Palin lead,

Dude ... in one of those cases, she isn't even in, so how could she lead?
Learn to write more goodly, will ya?

14 posted on 08/06/2011 2:15:47 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Huck; jla

There are leftist media pundits and bloggers that don’t attack her as much as some people here. Don’t you find that amazing?


15 posted on 08/06/2011 2:20:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: jla
Sarah Palin's Traveling Freak Show

Just so I know....would you please define this phrase for me?

Thanks

16 posted on 08/06/2011 2:23:22 PM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

I take it you are addressing the author, Khelil Bouarrouj. That’s not even close to my name and I didn’t write this article.


17 posted on 08/06/2011 2:24:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: jla

Go sell crazy somewhere else!


18 posted on 08/06/2011 2:26:39 PM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, I picked up this habit over the past decade from other Freepers of addressing the writer in a response to the first post. Not that that writer will ever see it . .


19 posted on 08/06/2011 2:32:53 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You mean after he'd already come within a hair once of winning (76) and had led in total votes in 1988? Quite a difference, don't you think? He had an organization, had already received the support of major state leaders (and himself came from the largest delegate-rich state in the nation---hardly the case with Palin), and had laid the groundwork with the political party organizations for years, not months. Palin has yet to do that at all. We've been down this road before. You keep moving the goalposts as to when she'll announce.

Meanwhile, I'm still seeing nothing on the ground here of any Palin presence in OH; I've already shown you that "Palin friendly" states come early in the process and she apparently has no big presence in SC or VA (which lost half its delegates).

Don't get me wrong, the same issues afflict Perry, except that he has the built-in delegate rich Texas to back him up. But meanwhile Bachmann has put herself out there, is actually running, but she's not worthy of your support?

20 posted on 08/06/2011 2:41:46 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

We don’t nominate or elect people for the presidency with only the House of Representatives on their govermental resume. Only once, in a freak four-way race, has that ever happened.


21 posted on 08/06/2011 3:00:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’re such a drama queen. Get a job.


22 posted on 08/06/2011 3:08:32 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

As a disabled veteran, I’m in similar straits as the owner of this site. Would you tell him to “get a job” as well?


23 posted on 08/06/2011 3:13:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: LS
Course, Palin is "just waiting for the right time," as everyone keeps saying. I heard this was the 4th of July. I heard it was the 1st of August. Now it's Labor Day. Pretty soon it will be Valentine's Day, or whatever.

Pretty soon it will be Valantine's Day? Really? You know that how?

You're as bad as the people who said that she would enter the race on July 4th or August 1st.

You're post is hypocritical.

24 posted on 08/06/2011 3:14:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No excuses.

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/howard-110804/oscar-pistorius-meets-olympic-qualifying-standard-400-meter-time-renews-controversy-prosthetic-legs


25 posted on 08/06/2011 3:20:36 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Please don’t ping me anymore, you are a waste of my precious time here on Earth. Thanks!


26 posted on 08/06/2011 4:18:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: jla
Sarah Palin's Traveling Freak Show continues on.

I didn't realize that Trademark had resumed her bus tour. :)

27 posted on 08/06/2011 4:46:00 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Huck

“in which case your initial comment regarding this article is nonsense.”

No, your comment is nonsense. You’re like a “progressive” academic who argues himself in circles, caught like a rat in a maze of peripheral micro-logic, and is never able to see the most important aspects.

Progressive academics, better known as intellectual fools.

The important point of this circumstance is that a leftist polling entity is forced to acknowledge Palin’s influence, in spite of the fact that the premise held by leftists is that Palin has no influence.


28 posted on 08/06/2011 7:37:34 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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is that a leftist polling entity is forced to acknowledge Palin’s influence

As a third place spoiler. She's Huckabee.

29 posted on 08/06/2011 9:17:26 PM PDT by Huck
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

www.monster.com


30 posted on 08/06/2011 9:18:02 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck; Admin Moderator
I thought I asked you not to ping me. I was a career counselor and recruiter most of my adult life. I don't need your help in finding a job. I know how to do that. What I don't know how to do is get an employer to hire a 51 year old man with heart disease, hypertension, severe diabetes, edema, PAD, apnea, bone spurs, etc., when there are tens of millions of able-bodied individuals desperate for any job.
Or are you just some kind of super-troll?
31 posted on 08/06/2011 9:30:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
OK fine. I'll leave you be. One last question--since when does conservatism mean whining and making excuses?


32 posted on 08/06/2011 9:34:57 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Would you care to revisit this matter about a week or two after Palin formally declares her candidacy?

Remember, when Palin is officially in the race, scrutiny of her record will go way up and voters by the millions will come to realize something very important. That her executive ability to manage debt as Governor compared with that of Romney, Pawlenty, Huntsman and Perry makes Palin look like a genius while they all look like idiots.

So—can you demonstrate how Huckabee’s record was anything close to Palin’s?


33 posted on 08/06/2011 9:35:12 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: reasonisfaith

If Palin gets in the race, and if Perry also gets in, and if the two of them plus Bachmann all make it to the VA primary (I don’t know when it is), then we can revisit this poll, as if we’ll remember by then. If this poll is correct, that would help Perry defeat Bachmann. That’s fine with me, actually.


34 posted on 08/06/2011 9:37:27 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

“since when does conservatism mean whining and making excuses?”

It doesn’t. Your problem is you don’t know the meaning of the terms you use.

“Making excuses” means shirking responsibility and accountability. (In other words, it’s what liberals do.)

Are you starting to understand now how your post # 32 is very stupid? I don’t want to have to connect the dots for you.


35 posted on 08/06/2011 9:43:06 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: Huck

But Bachmann has nothing to run on, when you hold her record up to Palin’s and take a good look at both of them.


36 posted on 08/06/2011 9:45:02 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: reasonisfaith

You’re incorrect. But it’s not worth discussing, and techincally I’d have to ping you know who to comment on it, I said I’d piss off instead. So let me do that.


37 posted on 08/06/2011 9:47:40 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

Just make sure you go learn, on an intelligent level, the meaning of “whining and making excuses.”


38 posted on 08/06/2011 9:50:35 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is also getting increasingly annoying that while they clearly treat Palin as an unannounced candidate, they keep treating Rick Perry as if he has already announced.

What if neither Palin NOR Perry are in the race? Since that is the case right now, wouldn’t it be nice if they could at least bother to check for THAT outcome?


39 posted on 08/06/2011 9:51:08 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Huck

And most important, go learn Palin’s record. She’s really good with fixing debt problems.


40 posted on 08/06/2011 9:52:27 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: reasonisfaith
I agree with you on Bachmann. I think she's a joke. Pathetically underqualified. But then, in my book, so is Palin. Not as bad as Bachmann, but still bad. Herman Cain is another joke candidate. Ron Paul.

If Perry, Pawlenty, and Romney are all in, that's three two term governors (Perry is actually 3 terms). I guess it'd have to be Perry. If Palin is in, it's probably still Perry for me, but who knows. Palin can still win me over if she runs, but she'll have her work cut out.

41 posted on 08/06/2011 9:52:46 PM PDT by Huck
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The GOP candidates will duke it out, but their goal is a shared one: defeating President Obama. And here all declared or probable candidates share a similar fate as well: defeat in November 2012.

At a time when national polls show that the generic republican candidate beats Obama (or are close), I would tend to discount a poll that suggests that no Republican can beat Obama in Virginia. Yes, we have a lot of public employees, but Virginia don't like Obama any more than the rest of the country.

42 posted on 08/06/2011 9:53:43 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Upon reading the actual survey results, the PPP folks seem to have gone out of their way to pretend Perry was already in the race — not one mention of Perry suggests he isn’t a candidate yet.

I also kind of question who they talked to. We have a sitting Lt. Governer who won two statewide elections by a good margin, and yet the people the PPP polled, 59% said they had no idea who Bolling was. Apparently they weren’t voters.

BTW, Palin does very well in the favorable/unfavorables, better than all the other listed Presidential candidates, and almost as good as former Senator George Allen.

Oddest thing — Rick Perry actually gets a higher percentage of support if Palin is included. It’s not just that other candidates lose support to Palin, it’s that Perry goes from 18% to 20% when Palin is in the race.

I’d like to meet the people polled who picked Perry, but when asked who they would vote for if Palin wasn’t in the race, SWITCHED their votes to another candidate.

So it seems like if Palin doesn’t run, her supporters add 6% to Bachmann, 2% to Gingrich, Romney, and “undecided”, 1% to Huntsmann, Paul, and Pawlenty, and -2% to Perry.


43 posted on 08/06/2011 10:07:08 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FreeReign
Certainly it's not hypocritical. That would be if I said one thing and believed another. That is true only insofar, as I have stated many times, that I think anyone including Palin (and Elmer Fudd and the Easter Bunny) can beat Zero in the next election. But I don't think she'll be the nominee.

What I have said, and what is NOT hypocritical, is that she so far has done nothing to prepare for a nomination fight. She has no state organizations that are up and running, she not only has not really cultivated the state party organizations---which, despite what anyone things here, are absolutely necessary to win both the nomination and the election---but she has deliberately ignored most of them (I think she did meet with NH).

You can assert that I'm wrong (so far, without any evidence to the contrary other than an "unconventional" campaign---i.e., no campaign), but not hypocritical. I've stated my views for months.

44 posted on 08/07/2011 6:34:33 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Course, that happened to be one of the most important presidents in history. John Quincy Adams was never elected to anything, only appointed to a senate seat: Garfield was only a congressman; Ike, never elected to anything.


45 posted on 08/07/2011 6:40:11 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

Presidents Garfield and Eisenhower were generals, which gives them executive experience in spades.


46 posted on 08/07/2011 10:10:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: Huck

All you need to do is pay attention to Palin’s record.

Many who think they don’t like Palin have in fact confused themselves, thinking Tina Fey is Sarah Palin. This is actually good news for you. Tina Fey would be a very bad president, I’m quite certain.

But to oppose someone like Palin who has proven herself to be a problem solver, a promise keeper and a fighter would make no sense whatsoever. Especially in times like now—when a person with these three qualities is the only kind that can do what’s needed in the White House.


47 posted on 08/07/2011 6:53:46 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: jla; All
Sarah Palin's Traveling Freak Show continues on.

Hey, freak...

"Sarah Palin embodies the true spirit of America, If the 2012 GOP nomination were compared to a marathon Palin is steadily widening the gap between herself and all other potential nominees. This time next year she'll look behind her, not even being able to see her competitors."

48 posted on 08/08/2011 3:39:58 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: reasonisfaith

I don’t watch television. I’m familiar with Palin’s abbreviated record. She’s underqualified.


49 posted on 08/08/2011 4:16:55 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck

If Palin’s underqualified, there has never in all of history been anyone who is qualified.


50 posted on 08/08/2011 4:28:52 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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