Skip to comments.Sarah Palin Determining Factor In VA GOP Primary
Posted on 08/06/2011 1:05:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
A new survey by Public Policy Polling simply concludes, "The Presidential primary in Virginia depends greatly on whether or not Sarah Palin enters the race."
Palin has enough support that were she to enter or absent would be decisive in the votes the rest of the field secures. If Palin stays out of the race, Michele Bachmann, who appeals to the same Tea Party faction that Palin champions, would take the lead with 21% followed by Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Mitt Romney at 18%.
If Palin does run, she'll chip away at Bachmann's base and push Perry into the lead with 20%, followed by Romney at 16% and Bachmann falling to third at 15%. Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman remain unaffected by Palin either way. Each candidate maintains his respective position, roughly, no matter the circumstances. (Full survey).
In neither case does Palin lead, but by choosing to not join the GOP candidates she could determine the race. Virginia's Republican primary is usually held in the first half of the season, often in mid-February.
The GOP candidates will duke it out, but their goal is a shared one: defeating President Obama. And here all declared or probable candidates share a similar fate as well: defeat in November 2012.
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The article indicates she’s a spoiler who trails both Perry and Bachmann.
Oh yeah, almost forgot...(/sarc)
Then the author imbibed on too much happy smoke last night.
Course, Palin is "just waiting for the right time," as everyone keeps saying. I heard this was the 4th of July. I heard it was the 1st of August. Now it's Labor Day. Pretty soon it will be Valentine's Day, or whatever. I give kudos to Bachmann and Cain for actually being IN the race right now.
Did the author misreport the polling results?
Public Policy Polling is *now* reputable - and Sarah Palin's Traveling Freak Show continues on.
PPP is a far-left democratic polling firm, often used by Daily Kos. Are you seriously going to defend them? My point was that even a pollster like that cannot deny Gov. Palin’s influence.
Did you know that then former Governor Ronald Reagan waited until November 13th, 1979 to announce his candidacy for the Republican nomination for president of the United States in the 1980 election?
And you are still a rude, pathological jerk.
got that dumbass gene huh
You’re trying to have it both ways. Either the polling is relevant, in which case Palin is shown to be a spoiler at best, or the polling isn’t relevant, in which case your initial comment regarding this article is nonsense.
Dude ... in one of those cases, she isn't even in, so how could she lead?
Learn to write more goodly, will ya?
There are leftist media pundits and bloggers that don’t attack her as much as some people here. Don’t you find that amazing?
Just so I know....would you please define this phrase for me?
I take it you are addressing the author, Khelil Bouarrouj. That’s not even close to my name and I didn’t write this article.
Go sell crazy somewhere else!
Yes, I picked up this habit over the past decade from other Freepers of addressing the writer in a response to the first post. Not that that writer will ever see it . .
Meanwhile, I'm still seeing nothing on the ground here of any Palin presence in OH; I've already shown you that "Palin friendly" states come early in the process and she apparently has no big presence in SC or VA (which lost half its delegates).
Don't get me wrong, the same issues afflict Perry, except that he has the built-in delegate rich Texas to back him up. But meanwhile Bachmann has put herself out there, is actually running, but she's not worthy of your support?
We don’t nominate or elect people for the presidency with only the House of Representatives on their govermental resume. Only once, in a freak four-way race, has that ever happened.
You’re such a drama queen. Get a job.
As a disabled veteran, I’m in similar straits as the owner of this site. Would you tell him to “get a job” as well?
Pretty soon it will be Valantine's Day? Really? You know that how?
You're as bad as the people who said that she would enter the race on July 4th or August 1st.
You're post is hypocritical.
Please don’t ping me anymore, you are a waste of my precious time here on Earth. Thanks!
I didn't realize that Trademark had resumed her bus tour. :)
“in which case your initial comment regarding this article is nonsense.”
No, your comment is nonsense. You’re like a “progressive” academic who argues himself in circles, caught like a rat in a maze of peripheral micro-logic, and is never able to see the most important aspects.
Progressive academics, better known as intellectual fools.
The important point of this circumstance is that a leftist polling entity is forced to acknowledge Palin’s influence, in spite of the fact that the premise held by leftists is that Palin has no influence.
As a third place spoiler. She's Huckabee.
Would you care to revisit this matter about a week or two after Palin formally declares her candidacy?
Remember, when Palin is officially in the race, scrutiny of her record will go way up and voters by the millions will come to realize something very important. That her executive ability to manage debt as Governor compared with that of Romney, Pawlenty, Huntsman and Perry makes Palin look like a genius while they all look like idiots.
So—can you demonstrate how Huckabee’s record was anything close to Palin’s?
If Palin gets in the race, and if Perry also gets in, and if the two of them plus Bachmann all make it to the VA primary (I don’t know when it is), then we can revisit this poll, as if we’ll remember by then. If this poll is correct, that would help Perry defeat Bachmann. That’s fine with me, actually.
“since when does conservatism mean whining and making excuses?”
It doesn’t. Your problem is you don’t know the meaning of the terms you use.
“Making excuses” means shirking responsibility and accountability. (In other words, it’s what liberals do.)
Are you starting to understand now how your post # 32 is very stupid? I don’t want to have to connect the dots for you.
But Bachmann has nothing to run on, when you hold her record up to Palin’s and take a good look at both of them.
You’re incorrect. But it’s not worth discussing, and techincally I’d have to ping you know who to comment on it, I said I’d piss off instead. So let me do that.
Just make sure you go learn, on an intelligent level, the meaning of “whining and making excuses.”
It is also getting increasingly annoying that while they clearly treat Palin as an unannounced candidate, they keep treating Rick Perry as if he has already announced.
What if neither Palin NOR Perry are in the race? Since that is the case right now, wouldn’t it be nice if they could at least bother to check for THAT outcome?
And most important, go learn Palin’s record. She’s really good with fixing debt problems.
If Perry, Pawlenty, and Romney are all in, that's three two term governors (Perry is actually 3 terms). I guess it'd have to be Perry. If Palin is in, it's probably still Perry for me, but who knows. Palin can still win me over if she runs, but she'll have her work cut out.
At a time when national polls show that the generic republican candidate beats Obama (or are close), I would tend to discount a poll that suggests that no Republican can beat Obama in Virginia. Yes, we have a lot of public employees, but Virginia don't like Obama any more than the rest of the country.
Upon reading the actual survey results, the PPP folks seem to have gone out of their way to pretend Perry was already in the race — not one mention of Perry suggests he isn’t a candidate yet.
I also kind of question who they talked to. We have a sitting Lt. Governer who won two statewide elections by a good margin, and yet the people the PPP polled, 59% said they had no idea who Bolling was. Apparently they weren’t voters.
BTW, Palin does very well in the favorable/unfavorables, better than all the other listed Presidential candidates, and almost as good as former Senator George Allen.
Oddest thing — Rick Perry actually gets a higher percentage of support if Palin is included. It’s not just that other candidates lose support to Palin, it’s that Perry goes from 18% to 20% when Palin is in the race.
I’d like to meet the people polled who picked Perry, but when asked who they would vote for if Palin wasn’t in the race, SWITCHED their votes to another candidate.
So it seems like if Palin doesn’t run, her supporters add 6% to Bachmann, 2% to Gingrich, Romney, and “undecided”, 1% to Huntsmann, Paul, and Pawlenty, and -2% to Perry.
What I have said, and what is NOT hypocritical, is that she so far has done nothing to prepare for a nomination fight. She has no state organizations that are up and running, she not only has not really cultivated the state party organizations---which, despite what anyone things here, are absolutely necessary to win both the nomination and the election---but she has deliberately ignored most of them (I think she did meet with NH).
You can assert that I'm wrong (so far, without any evidence to the contrary other than an "unconventional" campaign---i.e., no campaign), but not hypocritical. I've stated my views for months.
Course, that happened to be one of the most important presidents in history. John Quincy Adams was never elected to anything, only appointed to a senate seat: Garfield was only a congressman; Ike, never elected to anything.
Presidents Garfield and Eisenhower were generals, which gives them executive experience in spades.
All you need to do is pay attention to Palin’s record.
Many who think they don’t like Palin have in fact confused themselves, thinking Tina Fey is Sarah Palin. This is actually good news for you. Tina Fey would be a very bad president, I’m quite certain.
But to oppose someone like Palin who has proven herself to be a problem solver, a promise keeper and a fighter would make no sense whatsoever. Especially in times like now—when a person with these three qualities is the only kind that can do what’s needed in the White House.
"Sarah Palin embodies the true spirit of America, If the 2012 GOP nomination were compared to a marathon Palin is steadily widening the gap between herself and all other potential nominees. This time next year she'll look behind her, not even being able to see her competitors."
I don’t watch television. I’m familiar with Palin’s abbreviated record. She’s underqualified.
If Palin’s underqualified, there has never in all of history been anyone who is qualified.