Free Republic
Browse · Search
GOP Club
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The real reason Pawlenty failed
The Daily Caller ^ | August 14, 2011 | James Poulos

Posted on 08/14/2011 10:19:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-68 next last
To: 2ndDivisionVet

The lifelong biological family is unable to reliably function as a source of social order.

Let’s see, government makes it illegal to discipline children and encourages divorce.


41 posted on 08/15/2011 4:48:20 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

“There’s no reason a Republican candidate can’t embrace these or similar positions.”

Sorry, maybe it’s me, but I really don’t understand WHAT this guy is recommending. Our author seems to have striven hard to make himself obscure.

It is unfortunate, but Pawlenty doomed himself with his inability to repeat the phrase “Obomneycare” to Romney’s face. It made him appear to be a craven backstabber and really, who needs that?

I thought at the time he had doomed himself, but hoped he might recover, he didn’t.


42 posted on 08/15/2011 4:59:01 AM PDT by jocon307
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pawlenty failed because he let himself be bullied by the press. It’s pretty simple. Every Conservative knows that the press is on the Liberals side and they won’t give us permission to win.

WRT the article,

“In foreign policy, end our indefinite military garrisons, increase our ability to poke hard with a sharp stick at key moments and help our cornerstone allies in Europe and Asia better assert a constant regional presence.

On criminal justice, legalize soft drugs, clean up the appeals and capital punishment process, overhaul our corrupt (and corrupting) prison system, and reform and reintegrate felons.

On border issues, permit brief stays for true migrant workers, and demand an immediate choice between citizenship and deportation for resident illegal immigrants without criminal records.”

Goodness.


43 posted on 08/15/2011 5:03:50 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments?

No comments but one question: Who is responsible for the plethora of "enough" keywords on this thread?

44 posted on 08/15/2011 5:06:14 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tempest
So the grassroots has gone to extremes?

Which extremes are those?

Only spend what you have, lower taxes, really cut spending, don't just reduce the rate of growth, end the EPA, NEA, funding for NPR and public TV this will be a good start.

Bring home the troops from England, Germany, Japan and S. Korea.

Either turn the troops in Afghanistan loose in order to win, or bring them home and nuke the terrorist savages.

Turn Iran into a sheet of molten glass, check with me on August 15, 9011 and we'll see if the cockroaches are back.

Think this is extreme, you should catch my plan late in the day, after a few Johnnie Walker Blacks.

45 posted on 08/15/2011 5:24:27 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I felt he had a sincerity problem. When he spoke it seemed as though he didn’t really believe what he was saying himself. He would attack his opponents, but then face to face with them or when questioned by the press, he wouldn’t own them as his own. This made him look as though his statements were just “politics as usual” and not true convictions. In other words, he gave every indication he was a RINO and not a real conservative.


46 posted on 08/15/2011 5:32:13 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Madam Theophilus

“I felt he had a sincerity problem. When he spoke it seemed as though he didn’t really believe what he was saying himself.”

I noticed that too. I would like your opinion of how Bachmann and Perry came across when they addressed the post-straw poll crowd in Iowa Sunday. They have been playing clips from that on TV news all morning.


47 posted on 08/15/2011 6:01:49 AM PDT by ngat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: MontaniSemperLiberi
" . . . demand an immediate choice between citizenship and deportation for resident illegal immigrants without criminal records.”

That's about the stupidest remark anyone can make about the entire illegal alien debacle.

Why would any pick deportation except in some rare circumstance where they really wanted to go back to the sh*thole which they left due to accumulating enough money, wanting a free visit home, etc.?

And if you force them to choose citizenship under threat of deportation, just what kind of citizen would they be? At best, you would have reluctant citizens who see America as an ATM. At worst, you'd have resentful citizens who would make better fifth columnists and Quislings.

We have more than an ample supply of native born moochers and Quislings. Why do we need to import them?

48 posted on 08/15/2011 8:05:09 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Tax Government

TPaw failed because he is not charasmatic, does not have a clear message or a vision for America.


49 posted on 08/15/2011 8:11:50 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Smokin' Joe

I don’t see a cadre of old men in overalls following Paul around to all his events. I don’t see old farmers flooding social media outlets with artificially high support for this guy or taking over CPAC in an attempt to bastardize the event.

I would be curious to chat with these agricultural men you cite. I would like to know:

1) If they thought Abe Lincoln was a tyrant using the Civil War as an excuse to dismantle the Constitution?

2) If they thought 911 was an inside job?

3) If they felt Israel and our support of them was the root of all our foreign policy problems?

4) Iran having a nuke was a good thing because they just want to be relevant to other large powers?

5) If they thought Ronald Reagan was a failure as a President and wanted to be fully “Disassociated” from him?

6) If they thought Heroin should be legalized?

Just curious what their answers would be.


50 posted on 08/15/2011 8:39:10 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: cableguymn
He was a dull boring RINO... Not sure how he kept wining in Minnesota.

IIRC, he won with pluralities in 3-way races.

51 posted on 08/15/2011 8:42:20 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Java4Jay

It will be a great day when all States and the Federal Government finish making this a “right to work” country.

Once the slimy parasite union thugs can no longer force decent hardworking Americans to join their socialist organizations, America will be a much better place.

The lifeblood of the socialistic democrat party, unions must become a thing of the past. My goal and all freedom loving American’s goal is to not rest until that happens.

We are making great strides with newly elected Republican leaders in NJ,WI,OH and other states. Soon we will be victorious!


52 posted on 08/15/2011 8:52:19 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: free me

Unions and Associations are sometimes a necessary evil. I was an aircraft mechanic for a major airline for 20 years, certifying the airworthiness of mainline jets for a pay of about 75k per year. Auto mechanics working at the dealers make more.

Until you live the life of working for ‘Corporate Tyrants’ with their ‘Greedy Fat Cats’ who rake in the profits on the backs of the ‘working man’ I suggest do some more research.

Just as the far left socialist ideology is extreme, the far right anti-union is also.
History has proven that without collective bargaining, the middle class and its standard of living would never have been so great.

This has all changed now because of greed, both from the corporations and unions. Greed and selfishness is what brought down capitalism.

Remember… someone is ALWAYS willing to work for less.


53 posted on 08/15/2011 11:44:09 AM PDT by Java4Jay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Passion defeated organization when it came to the straw poll. Pawlenty would probably be a very good president. Voters are no longer looking so much for a competent leader as they are a venue and a candidate to help them vent disgust with the current political climate.


54 posted on 08/15/2011 11:49:28 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kevkrom

You are right. still don’t know how he did it. (other than he was running aginst lib, and lib lite)


55 posted on 08/15/2011 12:28:43 PM PDT by cableguymn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Lazlo in PA
Well, I don't know if you live near a bunch of "old men in overalls", but they aren't the type to go gadfly following anyone around. Farmers are a damned independent lot. They are also the 'benefactors' of an incredible amount of Government meddling.

What the elder bunch have done, though, is studied the Constitution before many of the latter-day invented-on-the-bench "rights" appeared between the lines the Founders wrote there.

What they don't see is why a soverign state cannot declare the same right to associate or not with other soverign States--especially when the representation of the State as an entity was effectively removed by the 17th Amendment.

They take a dim view of folks who live in the land of the great sidewalk handing down edicts with the full force of law and backing if need be of the United States Military or other armed Federal Forces, of which there are many in increasing number--from thousands of miles away, when at best these selfsame people have seen their state from 27,000 ft. as they flew over, and have never, even in their wildest imaginings, experienced thirty below weather.

They thought 9/11 was a tragedy, and that the government screwed up by letting its intelligence agencies be corralled and not interacting. That was Clinton, not Bush, despite when the attack happened. They were pissed off about it, but wonder why we've spent ten years with their neighbors sons (or most of them) coming home, some in a box, from fighting for people who will go back to their old brutal ways when we leave.

Now, maybe it'll work that way, maybe not, but they wonder.

And yes, they'll buy those young men a beer proudly down at the Legoin Club or the VFW, because they've been there, too, just in a different place and time.

The root of our foreign policy problems is much the same as a guy on payday flashing a roll of money in a bar. He'll have lots of friends until the money runs out.

We've been setting the drinks up for the world, and our bar tab is due. We'll see how many friends we have when the last shot is poured.

Old farmers believe in a fair fight, and figure the rest of the world does, too. Until Iran puts a nuke on the end of a missile or tests a warhead, they can claim it was all "for peaceful purposes". If they have a weapon, they aren't unarmed, and we're free to draw down on them. If you don't get that, I can't help you.

Ronald Reagan did well with the economy, but a service economy can only go so far. As one fellow put it, you can't all make a living scrubbing each other's toilets.

Creating wealth is the key, taking raw materials and making finished products.

As much as I admire Reagan, the border remains open.

Do they think Heroin should be legalized?

Did their wife get morphine in her IV when she went in for the angiogram?

Where in the Constitution is the Federal Government empowered to regulate what anyone willingly puts in their own body?

If you are talking about old farmers, you'll be hard put to find a more independant lot. They've survived, even thrived by their own ingenuity and the sweat of their brow. They willingly put in 18 hour days, year round, because that is what they do. They feed a goodly portion of the world, and they don't need the nanny state, Federal Regulators, or other BS to do it. They believe the government which governs best governs least.

In that sense, they are libertarian leaning, what in Jefferson's day would have been a Liberal, althought the meaning of that has been since corrupted.

Now, if you put that snapshot together, you might see why they would support someone who would call for sweeping reductions in the scope and size of Government. --And don't ask them to show up at the rally, it's planting/harvest season--the work never ends, and you make hay when the sun shines.

But they will take a night off and go vote. After all, it's their duty.

56 posted on 08/15/2011 3:39:11 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pawlenty’s personality problem wasn’t a charisma deficit — it was a wimpiness surplus.

Obvious now. If he had any stones he'd have stayed in.

If he'd really wanted it, he'd have kept plugging away.

Don't know about the article. Not sure the writer does either.

57 posted on 08/15/2011 3:49:30 PM PDT by x
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Java4Jay

Well, the unions took care of the greedy tyrants in the auto business all right. Nearly flushed the entire industry down the tubes. Now the government is in partnership with the propped up remnants and together they’re pushing the unwanted green dream machine. Won’t be long until the airliners follow suit. The “non-greedy” unions drive wages up until it’s nearly impossible to do business. Free markets work best!


58 posted on 08/15/2011 3:55:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

I lived in Detroit once. It’s not hard to see what the socialist’s ideology has done to that once great city. I also lived in Minnesota where Pawlenty was governor.

Was also once a member of the IAM union (AFL-CIO) at NWA until we kicked them out and replaced it with AMFA, a mechanics only association, (no afl-cio, no corrupt leadership, no baggage handlers).

I believe a companies labor force is its most valuable asset yet know first hand the hardship of being locked out after 20 years of dedicated service. I walked a strike line and witnessed the destruction of friend’s families, the suicides, etc.

I’ve lived it … http://www.kclabor.org/strike_at_northwest_airlines.htm

The race to the bottom is NOT a good thing, at any cost.


59 posted on 08/15/2011 5:04:49 PM PDT by Java4Jay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Companies require their employees to be motivated, dedicated and honest.

After years of faithful service to their employer, the worker does feel a certain bond to the company and has a vested interest in its success. They earned the right to call it ‘their job’. Why shouldn’t the same standards of respect apply to the company?

Greed from BOTH the corporations and unions have destroyed all this.


60 posted on 08/15/2011 5:22:44 PM PDT by Java4Jay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-68 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
GOP Club
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson