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Rick Perry Doesn't Need "The Money"
Business Insider via KausFiles ^ | 08/17/11 | John Ellis

Posted on 08/18/2011 7:24:30 AM PDT by jocon307

[Jonathan] Martin [of Politico] writes: "Perry's comment (about ...Ben Bernanke's "treasonous" behavior) is exactly the sort of misstep that will worry the many GOP donors on the sideline right now who chiefly want to beat President Obama. The quote reinforces their central fear about Perry — that he has a cowboy problem — and could prompt them to remain uncommitted."

This is accurate. It's also irrelevant.

It's irrelevant because the "GOP donors on the sideline right now" don't matter. They think they matter, but they don't.

The fact is that Rick Perry can raise $15-20 million out of Texas for his presidential campaign. He will, after all, either be governor of Texas or President of the United Sates when the campaign is over in November of next year.

He can raise another $40 million from evangelical networks across the country. If you budget $10 million for Iowa and $15 million for New Hampshire and $20 million for South Carolina, you have $10-15 million left over for national campaign operations.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Iowa; New Hampshire; South Carolina; Campaign News
KEYWORDS: campaignfinance; formerdemocratperry; illegals; martin4romney; openborders; perryhasdrugmoney; politico4romney; republicanprimary; rickperry; rino; teaparty
Money quote from a little further in the article:

"GOP donors on the sideline right now" misunderstand the dynamics of the party's increasingly populist primary electorate. They're not angry about Wall Street bailouts and financial industry recklessness, they're LIVID. No one bailed them out. All they got was the bill."

I capped that "livid" to reflect the emphasis in the original.

Please read this short piece. I am not posting it to boost Perry, but because it is an interesting commentary on the ongoing divide in the Republican party. That is why I posted it in the GOP Club forum, where I have never posted anything before.

FWIW, Mickey Kaus states that John Ellis is a Bush family cousin and seems to imply that this is a message from the "Bush team".

1 posted on 08/18/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307
NO MORE RINOs.

That said:

“And The Most Irresponsible Journalist Award Goes to The Politico’s Jonathan Martin!
So tell me, how do you write a “news” story about an organization paying for a speaker when you don’t even know if the organization is paying for the speaker?
Ask “journalist” Jonathan Martin. He knows all about it.
You see, Jonny wrote a piss poor story the other day about how the Iowa Family Policy Center will be paying a large speaker fee if Sarah Palin comes to Iowa to keynote the IFPC’s fall funderaiser.
The only problem is that Jonny has no sources confirming that any exorbitant fee is being charged or paid.
Jonny also got some inside info from David Kochel, who was a top aide to former (and future) presidential candidate, Mitt Romney.
Hey Dave, didn’t I just read a story about how Mitt Romney tried to buy off the Iowa Christian Alliance?
I heard you helped facilitate that little scheme. And somehow you are shocked at the thought of a well-known political figure (who very likely isn’t running for president) getting paid a speaker’s fee for (gasp) a public speaking appearance? ..
and then we’ve got Tim Albrecht quoted. He was the Iowa spokesman for Romney’s 2008 caucus campaign.”
And it always seemed like, whenever the Romney people had rumors they wanted to start about other candidates,
Jonny was their go-to guy to get those rumors in writing in front of a national audience.


"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."


Who benefits most from Sanford meltdown? Californian (that's right) Mitt Romney


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"



2 posted on 08/18/2011 7:26:45 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: jocon307

I’ll donate more to Perry than I have ever donated to any candidate. Same for Palin or Cain.


3 posted on 08/18/2011 7:28:13 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: jocon307

Well, the old guard ‘establishment’ GOP who appointed Dole, GWB and McCain are ticked that they can no longer dictate who will be president for conservatives.

If for no other reason than that, I will support Perry. Its time they realized they have done us NO good with their ‘superior’ wisdom.

I like that Perry is NOT identifying with that bunch. (ticks off Rove, though)


4 posted on 08/18/2011 7:29:21 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: KansasGirl

“I’ll donate more to Perry than I have ever donated to any candidate.”

My record recipient so far is Sharon Angle {sigh}.


5 posted on 08/18/2011 7:31:44 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Dudoight

The fact that the GOP establishment doesn’t support Perry really ups his appeal factor for me.


6 posted on 08/18/2011 7:32:48 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: jocon307

The one thing I don’t like about the article. The reporter talks about Rick Perry’s statements and speeches so far. He chalks it all up to a grand strategy that he has and he is channeling the populist message. Did it ever occur to the reporter that he makes his religious statements and his statement about Bernanke because he might actually believe it? I know it’s a novel idea but it’s a possibility.


7 posted on 08/18/2011 7:33:13 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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Actually, he said “almost treasonous.” Hussein Obama constantly says that those who oppose his economy killing policies are “putting party before country.” It is substantively the same thing Perry said, without the qualifying “almost.”
8 posted on 08/18/2011 7:37:32 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Dudoight

Right!!

The overly manicured, white-bread wuss typically chosen by the GOP isn’t going to cut it this time around.

If a candidate is afraid of his/her own shadow THIS time, they don’t belong in the race. It is going to get nasty and THAT kind of wimp will get eaten alive.


9 posted on 08/18/2011 7:38:29 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: KansasGirl
Those three are the cream of the current crop of hopefuls/possibles. I think Cain is going nowhere, but his presence in the race can only accrue to the benefit of keeping conservative issues in the spotlight.

I just get the feeling that Palin will not run. She's having too much fun tweaking the noses of the left and the Republican establishment and she is doing good things for conservative issues. I also believe her to have been too severely damaged from the PDS assault against her. Her time may come, but not yet, I think.

Perry is the best bet. He's tough, conservative, saavy, still has the common touch--something Romney lacks a hint of. He still has a long way to go and considerable vetting, but so far, he's the best. Immigration is his Achilles heel, but as long as he is emphatic about locking down the border, he will be okay on that. Just stopping the flow would do wonders.
10 posted on 08/18/2011 7:41:24 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Did it ever occur to the reporter that he makes his religious statements and his statement about Bernanke because he might actually believe it?

Yep, a very real possibility.

11 posted on 08/18/2011 7:42:18 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Diogenesis

Love that picture!!! That is what I have thought about Romney from the first time I saw him. Slick and slimy—a perfect used car salesman or snake oil drummer.


12 posted on 08/18/2011 7:44:13 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

“I know it’s a novel idea but it’s a possibility.”

I don’t think the author is saying Perry is insincere, rather that his rhetoric is actually well chosen for Perry’s INTENDED audience, even if it sounds half-cocked to the pundit and country club classes.

Let me also add, if Perry is insincere (which I doubt) he has learned to fake sincerity very well. And, as they say, if you can do that, you’ve got it made.


13 posted on 08/18/2011 7:52:21 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

People that say Perry is a Bush team player, don’t know the facts. Even tho GW stayed out of the Gov race. Mommy and Daddy came out big time for Kay Bailey.

No love lost there.
The fact is that who ever pulls out on top will get the money. Period. Zero at 26% approval, Market having grand mal seizures. The big money will go to the Repub whoever that may be.


14 posted on 08/18/2011 8:00:49 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Sudetenland

“Perry...still has the common touch—something Romney lacks a hint of.”

It could hardly be different. Rick Perry’s father was a cotton farmer, Mitt Romney’s father was the Governor of Michigan (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

As for what some have said that Perry “out cowboys” Bush, again, Bush’s family is truly one of the American elite for generations.

Here, I looked them up on Wikepedia, because I knew I didn’t know how many of them you could count “The Bush family is a prominent American family. [A]cross three generations the family includes two U.S. Senators, one Supreme Court Justice, two Governors, one Vice President and two Presidents. George Herbert Walker Bush and Barbara Pierce Bush have been married for 66 years, holding the record for the longest-married presidential couple. Peter Schweizer, author of a biography of the family, has described the Bushes as “the most successful political dynasty in American history.”

I left in that part about George & Barbara, even though it is OT because I thought it was sweet.

Now there are other candidates who have come from a less than wealthy backround, at this time all of the others except Romney.

So, that’s fine. We’ve had “the best and the brightest” almost scuttle the ship of state here, maybe it is time to give another type of person a chance.


15 posted on 08/18/2011 8:01:27 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

I just cannot believe the fuss generated by Perry’s common-sense remarks about the Fed. It shows, I guess, the inside-Washington circle-the-wagons mentality as well as the incredible economic ignorance that grips this country’s elites.


16 posted on 08/18/2011 8:39:50 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: jocon307; KansasGirl; Sudetenland; Diogenesis; Dudoight; Old Teufel Hunden; Godwin1; SMARTY; ...
Thank you for this thread, jocon307. It is quite interesting, your examination of the split among Republican voters/donators.

I am truly at a loss right now about Perry. I want so much to believe him and in him, but right now I am very suspicious of what might be behind him.

I have serious concerns that conservatives are being set up with Perry. I am concerned that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I LOVE the things he is saying on the campaign trail, but have strong reservations about his track record of actions and possible power elite backing.

If I had to choose right now him or Romney it would be him, Perry. I do not know AT ALL who I support overall at this time. That being said, I would crawl over broken glass to vote for anyone that has a serious shot at unseating Obama and has ANY kind of real conservative credential. While I question Perry's conservative credential, I see from his time in Texas that an engaged electorate can sway him.

I am asking everyone to please consider carefully Perry's background - do your own research confirmations of what people say about him, both positive and negative.

Here is some research I did when a friend sent me the Glenn Beck interview of Perry:

I love Beck, love the interview. Was looking at some of the commentary below the interview and I decided to look into the accusations. This is what I found, just to scratch the surface a little bit. These findings may or not be relevant to your election decision equations, but they are to mine, and I will weigh this data carefully.

Glenn Beck interviewing Rick Perry 6 27 11
Beck interview of Perry

He's favorable toward Perry.

Two comments from Comment section at bottom of interview page:

"Rick Perry Attended 2007 Bilderberg Meeting in Turkey, Signed Executive Order Requiring HPV Vaccines for All 6th Grade; Girls, Former Democrat and Headed Campaign of Al Gore, supported Trans-Texas Corridor/NAFTA Super Highway and Sanctuary Cities"

"Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore's presidential campaign. Got it? Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore's presidential campaign. Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore's presidential campaign!"

Following are the stories/reports I found regarding some of the charges in the first comment.

Report of Rick Perry's attendance at Bilderberg Turkey 2007:

Perry's attendance at 2007 Bilderberg Meeting in Turkey
News 8 Austin

Report of Perry's support of Sanctuary Cities:
Perry's support of sanctuary cities
From a San Antonio newspaper

Rick Perry's participation in the Trans Texas Corridor:
Perry and Trans Texas Corridor
From the Houston Chronicle

17 posted on 08/18/2011 8:44:25 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: SMARTY

I agree completely. Dole?? McCain?? even GWB were handpicked by insulated GOP know-nothings educated beyond their intelligence. Rove—why does anyone ever listen to him after what his advice has done to this country? The last primary go-round, when asked why none of his sons were serving in the military, Romney replied “They are serving their country by working on my campaign.” That was it for me. We need a hard worker and a straight talker. I’m not in agreement with everything Perry’s done, or said, but my God, what a breath of fresh air he is. I especially loved the way he didn’t back down after the treason remark.


18 posted on 08/18/2011 8:45:23 AM PDT by binreadin
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To: KansasGirl
The fact that the GOP establishment doesn’t support Perry really ups his appeal factor for me.

Other than Karl Rove, who recruited him from the democrats, and everyone in that elite globalist circle of the Republican old guard.

But why count those people when you want to try to make Al Gore's former Texas campaign manager out to be a conservative. a

19 posted on 08/18/2011 8:46:12 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: TEXOKIE

At least Perry HAS a record of effort, achievement and activity. At LEAST he has a demonstrated character.

You may agree or disagree, the facts are evident! I have not seen Perry lying, cringing in shame or side-stepping anything in his past. He has been clear and forthcoming whenever asked about previous views and actions. THAT is positive and DOES NOT insult my intelligence.

No challenge as rigorous was ever presented to “O” and no record so well-documented was available when “O” was shoved under our noses for consideration.


20 posted on 08/18/2011 9:13:33 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: TEXOKIE

Thanks Texokie, but it is really Mr. Ellis’s analysis not mine.

Here is a link to post at Red State discussing in some detail many of the arguments (and slurs) against Perry.

http://www.redstate.com/izoneguy/2011/08/14/seventeen-17-things-that-critics-are-saying-about-rick-perry/

Now, this is a very Pro-Perry analysis, which is to be expected since Perry announced at the Red State “Gathering”.

As an aside: I really don’t understand why that aspect didn’t get more coverage. A major candidate (because let’s face it like him or not he was always going to be a major candidate, he’s the multiple term governor of the currently most successful and always one of the largest states in America) at a blogger’s convention and pretty much nobody took note of that fact.

Anyway, it is very pro-Perry and I think it overlooks what might be the most damning charges against him which are his tendency to crony-capitalism and accusations of his living high on the hog on the taxpayer’s dime.

But it is worth reading, nevertheless, because it explains what that Bilderberger thing is and to me it refuted all those conspiratorial accusations you hear about it.

Although, I suppose if I believed in that conspiracy theory I would think it just proved it right!

Of all the arguments against Perry, the Al Gore thing to me is moot.

So, he was a Democrat, so were many republicans, including Regan. So, when he was a Democrat he was State Chair for Al Gore’s presidential campaign. To me this just demonstrates that Perry has always been a successful politician. You can’t turn back time and it is very likely that whoever wins the nom. will be a successful politician.

Evidently the last non-pol to be President was Eisenhower and I’m not sure you could really say a military career like the one Ike had wasn’t a “poltical” experience.


21 posted on 08/18/2011 9:17:13 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: MrEdd

Other than Karl Rove, who recruited him from the democrats, and everyone in that elite globalist circle of the Republican old guard.

But why count those people when you want to try to make Al Gore’s former Texas campaign manager out to be a conservative.


There might be somebody in outer Mongolia that hasn’t already read this 1022 times so you’d better keep repeating it over and over!
After all everybody knows that whatever a person does 30 years ago or 20 years ago is a hell of a lot
more important than any other record they may have had since then.
Of course, that doesn’t count for Obama, does it? Sheeesh


22 posted on 08/18/2011 9:20:49 AM PDT by SwatTeam
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To: TEXOKIE

Perry does NOT support Sanctuary Cities. With the Conservative base in Tx, if Perry were anything but a Conservative he would not have bee elected THREE times as GOV.

He has explained his belief in the HPV vacinations was to prevent Cancer. Frankly I think Merck pulled the this will prevent cervical cancer and he bought it.
IMO Merck was trying to get the State to become liable if yet another of their Drugs proved to be dangerous. I know I wouldn’t subject my daughter to this.

The Bush bunch pushed hard for the Trans highway. Remember Nafta was Daddy Bushes brainstorm. Thankfully Perry finally came down on the side of the people. Maybe THAT is why GHW and Babs don’t like Perry. The days of the backroom deals are over (hopefully) The old Washigton Bulls need to be put out to pasture.
I’m looking for a Secreteriat. You know someone that will leave the corrupt policies now in D.C behind in the dust.
I know that is probably unrealistic but I can hope.


23 posted on 08/18/2011 9:28:25 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: SMARTY

You make some good points. I will certainly consider them.


24 posted on 08/18/2011 10:12:14 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: jocon307
Thank you for the link. I will certainly go look at it.
Also, I agree with you about the Al Gore thing. It's a negative, but not an irredeemable one, IMO.
25 posted on 08/18/2011 10:14:20 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: Marty62

Thank you so much for your reply. I can see that about Merck. I can see your point about the Bush family.

I do hope that day of back room deals is over...or at least diminished...and I pray too for a Secretariat. (Good analogy!)


26 posted on 08/18/2011 10:18:27 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: TEXOKIE

Interesting points you bring up. I would like to respond to a couple of them.

First off, I’m not a tri-lateralists and I believe just about every politician has probably attended a Bilderburgher conference. I don’t believe in this grand conspiracy to make the world into a one world order.

Two, it is true he was Al Gores Texas campaign manager. But that was in 1987 which is 23 years ago. Al Gore was very different back then and people can change their opinions on things over a 23 year period. To give you an example, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat and a huge FDR supporter. By 1964, only 20 years after FDR’s death he was making speeches in support of Barry Goldwater.

Three, the HPV vaccines was rejected by the Texas legislature and no Texas girls were ever forced to get this vaccination. He has since said it was wrong and apologized for it. It’s time to move on from that one IMO.

In short, no politician is perfect. As I’ve said before, today if a California governor announced his candidacy who was a previous Democrat, raised taxes and passed gun control legislation while he was governor. People on this website would be excoriating him. That governor was Ronald Reagan. No candidate is ever perfect.


27 posted on 08/18/2011 10:59:12 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: jocon307

“that he has a cowboy problem”

Ooooohhhh, the “C” word! Why do bed-wetting Libs hate cowboys?


28 posted on 08/18/2011 11:02:49 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TEXOKIE
"Two, it is true he was Al Gores Texas campaign manager. But that was in 1987 which is 23 years ago."

Whoops! 24 years ago. Bad math!!
29 posted on 08/18/2011 11:03:06 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: jocon307

He could also raise some money from LaRaza.


30 posted on 08/18/2011 11:09:39 AM PDT by dforest
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To: jocon307

The citizens of the world who occupy space here don’t much care for the sound of the Americans.


31 posted on 08/18/2011 5:58:47 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Marty62
I suspect Perry was lobbied heavily on the health angle and trusted his former staffer. A $6K campaign donation is nothing for a guy who has raised $100 million for his reelections.

In fairness to Merck, Gardasil was not only been approved for females in 2006 but was approved for males in 2009 against multiple cancers tied to HPV strains the vaccine targets. There's also a competing HPV vaccine for females from GlaxoSmithKline now.

The most important thing to me on the controversy is that Perry specifically protected parental rights with the opt-out clause in his executive order.

Here in CA the legislature is voting to allow 12 yos to consent on their own with no requirement parents be informed much less allowed to opt-out. The law, AB499, already passed the Assembly.

32 posted on 08/18/2011 6:54:59 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: TEXOKIE

“Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore’s presidential campaign. Got it? Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore’s presidential campaign. Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore’s presidential campaign!”


In truth Perry was the Texas State Chairman of the Al Gore Democratic Primary Campaign in Texas which Gore lost to Dukakis.


33 posted on 08/18/2011 7:04:40 PM PDT by deport ( In Texas it's hotter than two goats fighting in a jalapeno patch.)
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To: jocon307
I agree about Americans being livid.

Case in point, I was in Boston yesterday for a business lunch with my coworkers. We started talking about the economy and the mess we are in and one of them was talking about how Perry referred to Bernanke as committing treason. Anyhow, I clarified the quote for them and instead of scoffing at Perry and saying it was over the top or disrespectful, they were actually saying “good for him” or “he's right”.

Again, let me remind you I was in very blue Boston and I try and avoid discussing politics with these coworkers in most cases as I am usually the freak because I'm not a liberal. Will they vote for Perry?? Only time will tell, but I can tell you they don't like Obama right now. No more hope and change I'm guessing on their part.

34 posted on 08/18/2011 7:11:53 PM PDT by MissyMa
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To: newzjunkey

I’m sorry if I insulted you with my crack about Merck. But I was on Vioxx for 18 months and am now dealing with the health problems it gave me.

Yes I know Perry’s actions on it, but the hysteria about “forcing” girls to take it ended the program. That is one reason I don’t like non factual attacks.


35 posted on 08/18/2011 8:15:29 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: deport

Thank you for the clarification. However the “Rick Perry was chairman for Al Gore’s presidential campaign. Got it?” comment was not mine, but someone on the interview page made it.

This particular issue is not as big a concern to me as some of the others.

Again, I have NOT made up my mind about Perry, just seeking to sift available data and be cautious.


36 posted on 08/19/2011 9:26:45 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: jocon307

You CANNOT..in 2012...run ANY political campaign that is ambiguous about your immigration “position” in the current job market.

Unemployed Americans are looking for assurances of their governments’ concern about THEIR plight...not that of businesses forced into looking for disposable labor because of onerous tax and regulatory policy.

Illegal Labor is the Feds out for preserving the status quo regarding Taxes and Regulation...and is the ultimate litmus test as to the candidates in question commitment to meaningful regulatory and tax reform. If they are wishy-washy on the subject...they have no real intent to disturb the DC status quo...no matter how big their cowboy hat and six-gun.


37 posted on 08/19/2011 9:33:30 AM PDT by mo
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To: TEXOKIE

Again, I have NOT made up my mind about Perry, just seeking to sift available data and be cautious.


Perry’s a politican with lots of data/records to sift though. Take care. A lot of the contenders will drop shortly after the first two or three contest but I believe it will be a nasty, hard fought campaign between a couple whomever they maybe at the end.


38 posted on 08/19/2011 10:50:04 AM PDT by deport ( In Texas it's hotter than two goats fighting in a jalapeno patch.)
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To: deport

Yes, there IS a lot of data out there! Looking at quite a bit of it - both pro and con!


39 posted on 08/19/2011 11:14:34 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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