Skip to comments.What Rick Perry Can Teach the GOP About Immigration (Say he has a "moderate record on immigration")
Posted on 08/24/2011 5:08:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
As he enters the Republican presidential race, Texas Gov. Rick Perry is striking some red-meat notes on the subject of immigration. Border security, he says, is a federal responsibility -- and immigration reform will have to wait until the border is secured. Invoking his beloved 10th Amendment, he proposes that in the meantime states should have some latitude to set their own course on the subject. As for Texas, he suggests, unauthorized immigration will not be treated lightly; earlier this year he called for a state law to abolish sanctuary cities, although the bill never made it to his desk.
Set aside the campaign chatter. Perry actually has a relatively moderate record on immigration. In 2001, he signed a law allowing undocumented students who graduate from Texas high schools to pay in-state tuition at Texas public universities. Last year he criticized Arizona's strict new immigration enforcement law, and said that it wouldn't be right for Texas. He's called for a guest-worker program and a path to citizenship. Other than this year's campaign against sanctuary cities, there is little in his decade-plus as governor to suggest that he has the appetite for a crackdown on economic migrants. NumbersUSA, a group that campaigns for less immigration, has given him a "D-" -- worse, in their view, than Michele Bachman, Mitt Romney, or Sarah Palin.
Perry has, of course, been hawkish about border security. He has repeatedly said that both border security and immigration reform fall into what he sees as the rather narrow category of Washington's responsibilities, and he argues that the former takes precedence over the latter -- or should, at least....
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Should have just elected McCain and gotten it over with.
What the GOP needs to be taught is that hispandering never gets hispanic votes for the Republican Party, loses elections, and hurts the country. Rick Perry is more likely to support a path to legal status for illegal aliens than Bachmann or even Romney. I don’t think we need W 2.0 as our nominee.
Perry could have passed that bill if he wanted to but Bob Perry was against it.
Rick Perry will be another Obama. He will say and do anything to be elected.He also wants more drones on the border, drones are here and agents way over there.Drones see drug smgllers but cannot use fire power to stop them. Drones are like the National Guard, they can only look, spot & report..Perry is another SELL OUT.. In my opinion...
Ricardo Parrito,Can teach the GOP what NOT EVER to Do!
Rick Perry = George W. Bush’s third term. Another âcompassionate conservative who is more interested in what’s best for Mexico rather than the United States. Who cares what U.S. residents think as long as Vincente Fox and Phillipe Calderon are happy?
Downside is this will drive the issue to the left or keep it on the left amongst the GOP candidates.
I'm still waiting for the Perrybots to tell me why this is ok.
Hispanic Tejanos have long been part of the Texas culture, before Texas was a state or a republic. I live in Texas, speak Spanish, have decent appreciation for their customs, etc. The vast majority of the Tejano citizenry population are hard working, family oriented, and fairly conservative on the political spectrum. Illegal aliens crossing the border are an entirely different matter, especially because of the connection with the narcotrafficantes in Mexico and other criminal activity. It certainly is a national government job to enforce the borders, not a state matter. However, Texas has been obliged devote a very large state police effort supplemented by local county law enforcement and the Texas Rangers, to make up for the miserable job done by the feds on protecting the border. Law enforcement advises citizens in the areas impacted by high incidence of illegal alien incursions to be aware and be armed against violent risks from these criminals invading the country. Perry is a big second amendment supporter and carries a weapon sometimes. Perry has consistently called for federal intervention to curtail the illegal border crossings, and he’s right, that is Washington’s job to ensure the borders are controlled. As far as path to citizenship, Rick Perry would never do what Obama has done, that is, the Resident’s direction to the federal officials at Customs and Immigration to stop enforcing the law and deportations of illegal aliens.
I have lived abroad almost 10 years of my working career, and every country I ever lived in kept close track of my immigration status and permission to remain in country. How the US, one of the most wealthy nations in the world, can fail in that simple task, is incomprehensible.
This is why we vet the candidates!!! If the MSM and GOP talking heads won’t, the bloggers and alternative media WILL !!!!
Just look at the flack Michelle Malkin got last week for her article.
David Dewhurst killed that bill. Twice.
Perry pilloried for pandering to La Raza
Don’t worry. Rick’s packin’ heat in his FR shill photo ops. He’ll round up those illegals single handed once they use up their free Texas taxpayer funded college tuition.
What is there concerns "jurisdiction of a state" and "erecting a new state", and all sorts of things like that which suggest that states define "borders" ~ not the other way around ~
Seems to me a slick lawyer could come up with a winning argument to assign border defense to the states ~ and deny it to the federales unless they get the state's permission.
There hasn’t been a good President on legal immigration since Coolidge, and on illegal immigration since Eisenhower.
And we still won’t have a good president on immigration if a Republican beats Obama next year.
Hunstman as VP?
No such thing as ‘’moderate’’ A ‘’moderate’’ man is a timid man, more apt to try and please everyone so as not to offend anyone. As I’ve said before , if this our candidate, then we’ve lost.
Bank robbery is a Federal crime too. Is there a ‘’sanctuary city’’ for that as well? I’d like to know.
Why don’t you type it up and send it to Obama!
I’ll wait for you to tell us how the other—announced, not MIA—candidates can beat Obama.
Perry is no different than McCain on immigration.
Even if you or Perry turn the economy around and end unemployment, illegal open-border immigration will eventually turn this country into a Third World hellhole and the jobless days of Obama will look like the good old times.
You CANNOT..in 2012...run ANY political campaign that is ambiguous about your immigration position in the current job market.
Unemployed Americans are looking for assurances of their governments concern about THEIR plight...not that of businesses forced into looking for disposable labor because of onerous tax and regulatory policy.
Illegal Labor is the Feds out for preserving the status quo regarding Taxes and Regulation...and is the ultimate litmus test as to the candidates in question commitment to meaningful regulatory and tax reform. If they are wishy-washy on the subject...they have no real intent to disturb the DC status quo...no matter how big their cowboy hat and six-gun.
“There hasnt been a good President on legal immigration since Coolidge, and on illegal immigration since Eisenhower.”
try Warren Harding...elected 1920...turned back Communism’s first attack on the USA..launched from within by Woodrow Wilson.
Warren Harding figured it out in 1920...
Congress and the Executive Branch have lots to do.
So far theyre not doin it right..
Its been done before..
Harding cut the governments budget nearly in half between 1920 and 1922. The rest of Hardings approach was equally laissez-faire. Tax rates were slashed for all income groups. The national debt was reduced by one-third. The Federal Reserves activity, moreover, was hardly noticeable. As one economic historian puts it, Despite the severity of the contraction, the Fed did not move to use its powers to turn the money supply around and fight the contraction. 2 By the late summer of 1921, signs of recovery were already visible. The following year, unemployment was back down to 6.7 percent and was only 2.4 percent by 1923.
BTW..ole Warren ALSO fixed immigration...
Mr. Harding signed into law the Emergency Quota Act which sought to control immigration following World War I and preserve the distinctive American culture by ensuring the majority of immigrants came from the historically compatible cultures of Northern Europe. This law aimed to bring wages of hard working Americans under control by limiting immigration to 3% of the 1910 census. It was followed on by a similar act in 1924, after Mr. Hardings death.
A Warren Harding prescription...if filled ...would ignite the afterburners on the US job machine and the economy. However DC would have to yield on a tremendous amount of power. Our job as We the People...is to persuade them of the utility ..shall we say..of doing so. In all probability the same minds that made the mess...arent capable of the solution however.
BTW any takers that Bammy couldnt even tell you that Warren Harding was one of his predecessors in office?
Even more telling about what our betters in the RinoCracy think of a Constitutional President..
But will he pander to La Raza for votes should he be the nominee?
Two fences, 12feet tall laced with razor wire up and down. Separated but 30ft and a two lane road between them with vehicle stations every five miles.
Cameras and sonic sensors for underground activity. Armed guard towers with orders to shoot every 500yds or so. At least 1 Vehicle moving in each 5 mile section at all times and a "Special Response" force every 200-300 miles with a platoon of Marines in helicopters.
Kill any and everything that tries to cross it, every time.
Then severely prosecute every business that is found to have hired an illegal. Take everything they have and put them in jail. If anyone gets pulled over, or otherwise raises the suspicion of LEO anywhere, ask to see their identity...and if not legal, turn them over to the Feds. The Feds must then put them to work maintaining the wall for 1 full year before deporting them. In every case.
Federal law banning ALL transfer payments from the Feds to any other govt entity that offers any benefit/payment to anyone who cannot prove their legal residency.
Amend the 14th Amendment.
Then, institute a "Guest Worker" program that allows folks into the US, with proper ID, for a period not to exceed 1 year to work...if they have a contract. Give those folks full driving rights etc. After 1 year they MUST return to their home country for a period not less than 6 months...after which they can reapply in "preferred status".
The US Military should take all volunteers who are proficient in English and can pass all tests/security screens. Full pay and benefits for the duration of their active service...and after 12 years of Honorable Services, eligible to apply for citizenship in "Preferred Status".
Anyone who can deposit $1million in a US bank can stay under "escrow" as long as they are not a criminal. They would be allowed 10%/yr for investment and living expenses after deposit. After 10yrs, they are free to apply in non-preferred status.
Now that's what I call a damn moderate approach.
Not a one issue voter, but I am against all those for open borders. So Perry doesn’t appeal.
JUST SAY NO TO RICK PERRY!
Thats when Rick suddenly had to hightail it to California for the last three days of the Texas Special session, when he put it on the calendar for voting. Same with the TSA bill. He could have hung around to promote support but he had important business to take care of in California.
What was it that could not wait three days?
Governor Rick Perry will swing through California this week for private meetings with Republican leaders, potential fundraisers and legislators that will stoke speculation that he plans to enter the 2012 Republican presidential contest.
Perry is scheduled to hold a closed-door event Thursday morning with business leaders in Beverly Hills, a city known as a rich source of campaign dollars. He then heads to Newport Beach in Orange County, where he will meet privately with Republican Party officials, before flying to Sacramento to meet with several dozen GOP legislators.
It will be the Republican governors second trip to the nations most populous state in less than three weeks.
Well, never mind that darn sanctuary cities legislation Texas needed, just use the Boy Scouts as an excuse to get to the establishment GOP for closed door meetings.
This is classic Rick Perry. Establishment GOP, all the way.
You have some very valid points. But, a couple things seem to be missing from your ‘plan’, IMHO.
Number one - as long as we keep giving freebies to illegals, they will find a way in. It is their dream to get out of the poverty they are living in. Come to the USA, and get free food, free education, free medical care for the whole family, subsidized housing and get a job that ‘the Americans refuse’.
A fence like you described will only accelerate tunnel construction and higher ladders and wire cutters selling out in Mexico.
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Rick Perry is not really for drones on the border. Big media hype, brothers. Our families back home have nothing to be concerned over.
Immigration issues can’t be dismissed by simply saying that states should handle it. If that were true, California could have its own policy on requirements for naturalization, and either all other states would have to accept those naturalized in Cal. as citizens with full rights, or we would have to divide into 50 nations. Gingrich actually suggested a similar mindless proposal earlier this year “similar to draft boards.”
I do approve of states helping to enforce immigration laws, and states and cities who do not fulfill their legal obligations to notify ICE should lose funding.
In 2009 Romney believes that one way to attract more minorities to the GOP is to pass immigration reform before the next election, saying the issue becomes demagogued by both parties on the campaign trail.
What has Perry said that is worse than that? I don't know what either one of them would do.
For most Democrats wide open immigration is a cynical path toward party dominance. That as a motive is bad enough, but a minority in that party sees untrammeled immigration as a way to carry out the mandate of The Frankfurt school, Cloward and Piven, and Saul Alinsky and that is to destroy America as a constitutional republic and open the way for socialism.
These radicals, of whom Obama himself is a leading exponent, regard America as the primary obstacle preventing the glorious onrush of world socialism. If they can destroy the sovereignty of this country, if they can render our military impotent, if they can overload the welfare system, if they populate the Republic with an indigestible mass of foreigners alien to the American culture, the English language, the Anglo-Saxon commitment to the rule of law rather than of men, capitalism, and to the concept of a constitution which limits the government to designated powers, they can finally get the chance they have sought since The Frankfurt School was created to open the way for socialism-the goals of The Frankfurt School have somewhat mellowed over the years and they no longer seek to impose Bolshevism, merely enlightened socialism.
As uncontrolled immigration undermines sovereignty it advances the cause of one world government especially if it undermines the one citadel of capitalism and democracy standing athwart socialism shouting "stop."(-With apologies to Bill Buckley.)
I am fully familiar with the reaction to the mass immigration into this country in the 1890s and around the turn of the last century and the resurrection of the KKK it ignited. So I am aware that this country in the past has in fact assimilated large doses of immigrants. This time I think it is different because we live in a global world and because we did not have a ruling elite in this country a century ago who wanted to do away with the Constitution and radically transform our society. I understand mine is an extreme point of view which would not get the time of day except on these boards but the more I watch this administration and the radicals in Congress who blindly support it, the more it becomes clear that there is more likely than not a very dark agenda prompting otherwise inexplicable policies.
The question for me is, what does a politician like Perry really believe? That becomes important because the next president, if a Republican, must be resolved to not just stop the inflow but bail out the overflow. There is an article posted today from The Hill which says that Perry has backed off from statements in his book. But the leftists at The Hill mean that he has moved to the left because the pronouncements in his book are too conservative to be appealing to the mushy middle. I can tolerate a degree of flip-flopping for this purpose but I am very suspicious of flip-flopping, such as Romney has exhibited, going the other way. This is because we are banking on what is in the man's heart to be the wellspring of his policies and we think that is a much more reliable predictor than campaign promises. No better example of this can be cited than Barak Obama himself.
It is much like the leftists who are not at all worried when Bill Clinton professed his commitment to Christianity and ostentatiously carried a big Bible,(the Protestant version of making broad one's phylacteries) they think of it as red meat for Bubba and excuse it as a cynical campaign contrivance necessary to fool the Bitter Clingers. Lying in the cause of socialism has never been a sin.
But immigration, because it is an existential threat, is one that we conservatives had really better get right. And we had better make damn sure our candidate will be staunch. I have just come off a heated thread in which I pointed out some of the deficiencies in Palin's potential candidacy but for the record, we have very little doubt about where her heart is and that is not an inconsequential consideration.
Of all the criticisms of Perry, this is the criticism that troubles me the most. I can get over his awe shucks, shit kicking manner of delivery. I am not concerned that he is just another Texas Governor after Governor Bush. I think there is enough leeway in the school inoculation issue to cut him some slack and I do not think it is terribly revealing anyway, but immigration is life and death to conservatism and, I believe, ultimately to our democracy.
We have to get a president who will not let us down on this issue.
What else can be expected of Big Government politicians these days! Makes this old traditional conservative veteran American want to just puke. Perry is no different, another big business professional politican hell-bent on selling out. He doesn't give a crap about you and me, legitimate citizens and tax payers, only to his crony business campaign contributors and the blue blood country club Republican 'RINO' Party. He is no conservative, the same thing I said about Dubya when he was masquerading as a compassionate conservative. Is that enough comment!? Damn, now I gotta go and take some blood pressure meds.
These Perry supporters are falling right in line with the same mindset as Obama supporters....refuse to see anything about Perry which would affect their “love” for him. Amazing similarities to them as when one would attempt to reveal the facts about Obama to his “followers” when he was running.
You bet it is. I will NOT sit still while we get warmed over Juan 'Rick' McCain shoved down our throats like it was done in 2007-08 with a daddy of the major RINO's camp.
Just look at the flack Michelle Malkin got last week for her article.
And it was shameful but expected. The Perristas running Perry's "Me and my big business chums just love those illegal aliens" campaign here on FreeRepublic are trying their best to saddle America with this latest big business shill, 'Dubya 2'. Two Bush's were more than enough, we don't need another Bush protégé. Enough already!
A moderate equates in a politician that cannot really be counted on for doing the right thing at the right time. They subject themselves to sell out for a price when it comes down to it, IMHO. Not worth wooden nickel.
True. Absolutely true!
And that is exactly what they are doing....runnning a campaign here on FR for this Rhino!
Allow criminal aliens the honor of serving in our military?
I have been gone from TX for almost 8 years, so I have not been paying as much attention to TX politics. When Perry jumped into the race I started talking to my TX conservative friends. Most dislike and don’t trust Perry. I think that’s instructive. But when I say anything against him I get roundly booed and called all sorts of things around here. It’s unfortunate that people don’t want to vet the candidates now while we can. They just like his pretty face and tough words. Yeah, he’s a good looking guy and *I* like what he’s saying. But he has a record, it’s easy enough to look at.
All I hear is, “look at the polls!” “He can beat Obama!”
Yes, I agree, they fail because they want to fail. It's not possible for them to fail because they can't do it.
And the Perrista's just hate that, his actual record. Gives them much much heartburn. The evidence of that is in plain view all around here. They are jumping through all kinds of hoops around here trying to divert peoples attention away from that fact. You ask a Perrista a reasonable question about Perrys record or past actions and all they want to do is give you his campaign reworked all NEW resume or campaign talking points. Just keep digging, his record is there for all to see, people are starting to see for themselves.