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Perry suggests US military role in Mexico drug war (MSM: appears to be a new misstatement]
MSNBC Power Wall ^ | October 2, 2011 | Reuters

Posted on 10/02/2011 1:48:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 10/02/2011 2:18:13 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry said on Saturday he would get the U.S. military involved in Mexico's war with drug cartels, in comments likely to upset the Mexican government.

The remarks appear to be a new misstatement on foreign policy by Perry, the Texas governor who is struggling to hold on to the mantle of frontrunner for the Republican nomination.


(Excerpt) Read more at today.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Texas; Campaign News
KEYWORDS: borderviolence; gopprimary; military; perry2012
Nothing like a little editorializing to spice up MSM reporting.

Perry isn't going to be prey for the MSM. He's addressing the problems and the border and climate change are in the top tier.

1 posted on 10/02/2011 1:48:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Admin Moderator

Please advise me on why you removed my post.


3 posted on 10/02/2011 2:23:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: shield

Ping


4 posted on 10/02/2011 2:30:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

we should have never left in 1842


5 posted on 10/02/2011 2:34:06 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

****** Aug 13, 2009: Texas gov. compares Gaza to Mexico”……"We went to the border with Gaza and received a briefing from the army there, and we went to Sderot and saw the police station with all the Kassam rockets piled up, we saw playgrounds that had to be covered from rocket fire. It's a powerful place." In that vein, the governor said he was also interested in learning more about security aspects while in the country, as Texas has a large, porous border with Mexico, and the recent violence in that country had unnerved many Texans."...

6 posted on 10/02/2011 2:36:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Please advise me on why you removed my post."

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Dude or Dudette as the case may be, or Sweetheart, if you will, just how many times do we have to remind you to check Free Republic's list of copyright restricted sites prior to loading up your tomes with copyright restricted material?

Too many times we have explained to you via Freepmail and posts the whys, the wherefores and the shall nots of posting articles which could land Free Republic in hot water.

Yet you continue. Prior to this, I personally liked Rick Perry as a candidate, that is until I noticed Perry's most prolific Freeper supporter, that is, you, were skipping around Free Republic's copyright restrictions as if they were made for “the little people.” Fortunately there are a few other Perry supporters who do follow the rules. Yet it's gotten to the point where I think it's possible that you might be some kind of anti-Perry poster because you continue to ignore the rules and post whatever you want.

Prove me wrong, puhleeze. Follow the rules imposed upon all of us.

Thanks.

7 posted on 10/02/2011 2:46:14 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

I have never received a Feepmail from a moderator. Not once.

I’ve always been polite to the moderators. And I work to make my threads interesting and informative. I do not hassle other candidate’s threads.

Why are you calling me “dude” “dudette” and “sweetheart?”

That isn’t FReeper manners — at least the ones I try to keep to.


8 posted on 10/02/2011 2:56:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Admin Moderator

Would you please put the link for restricted sites here?

Thank you.

And would you please give me the rules for the amount of text — I have repeatedly asked for this and have been ignored. I am under the impression that it is 300 words. Is this incorrect? Is it different for AP stories?

Thank you.


9 posted on 10/02/2011 3:02:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts


10 posted on 10/02/2011 3:10:29 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts


11 posted on 10/02/2011 3:11:28 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I usually exerpt only one or two relevant paragraphs when I post, to be on the safe side. As a writer myself, I respect copyright immensely and know just how much of a snake pit it can be when determining “Fair use.”

I do hope you keep posting - you always provide good info!


12 posted on 10/02/2011 3:19:24 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: MEG33; Netizen; All

Thank you.

I’ve looked at that.

Isn’t there a sidebar somewhere on the homepage with posting information rules and restrictions? I can’t seem to locate it. Your link is to an April 2004 thread.

And do you know why I keep getting “bumped” off the forum and have to sign in again?

And do you know why “topics” are removed — for example why an AP story as this is, has “extended” or “front page” removed and things like “Mexico” substituted?

Thank you for any light you can shed.


13 posted on 10/02/2011 3:24:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: EnglishCon

Thank you.


14 posted on 10/02/2011 3:27:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Netizen; MEG33

***And do you know why “topics” are removed — for example why an AP story as this is, has “extended” or “front page” removed and things like “Mexico” substituted?***

Correction — Reuters (but AP or Reuters info would be helpful)

Thank you.


15 posted on 10/02/2011 3:28:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Topics are a little like keywords for searching, or twitter hashtags. I usually mess up or miss out on a couple of obvious topics for my posts - still learning all the regular topics - and they get added.
Mexico makes sense, as this post is now indexed under Mexico as well, so it is easy to search for.


16 posted on 10/02/2011 3:29:07 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: Admin Moderator

Why have all the topics been removed?

Thank you for your help.


17 posted on 10/02/2011 3:29:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: EnglishCon

Depending on the source I just use a paragraph or so. If its a short article then a sentence may be more appropriate. I find the whole thing silly. I can buy a whole newspaper, with full articles and leave it at a restaurant for some other customer without cutting away 3/4 of each article. How is that any different than posting an article, that includes a link, to the originating site and author? And why don’t they go after people that send articles in email?? You’d think they would be glad that someone is reading their material and encouraging others to do so. Why it may even help drum up business for hard copies.


18 posted on 10/02/2011 3:30:27 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My pleasure!

Love your posts and your enthusiasm - any chance of you coming here next election!


19 posted on 10/02/2011 3:30:33 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon

I understand.

Thank you.


20 posted on 10/02/2011 3:30:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: EnglishCon
.....any chance of you coming here next election!

???

21 posted on 10/02/2011 3:32:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Netizen

Agreed - it’s a bit like buying a book and not letting anyone else read it!

My understanding of US copyright law, which I have to work with most days, is that excerpts of no more than 5% of the total article are considered fair use for commentary, with proper credit and without selectively and creatively excerpting so as to put the copyright holder in bad repute.

I prefer to err on the side of caution, as fair use is always a judgement call and, since it is a good chunk of my livelihood now, I’d rather not spend everything on attorneys!


22 posted on 10/02/2011 3:35:24 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mild joke.
I live in a ward that has voted Labour as long as the party has existed. As a member of the Conservative action commitee for our ward, it gets dispiriting!


23 posted on 10/02/2011 3:37:22 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Above my paygrade! Sorry..I just knew where to find the list.


24 posted on 10/02/2011 3:39:04 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: EnglishCon

Hold on. Maybe we can turn the tide here and start the march of capitalism and freedom back onto the world scene.


25 posted on 10/02/2011 3:40:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

One thing people are ignoring is that the US military gave enormous help to Colombia in dealing with the problem of its drug gangs, both the leftist “revolutionary guerrillas” like FARC and the paramilitaries formed to fight them. US Special Forces are due a lot of the credit for finally controlling the situation there. They were nearly pulled out under Clinton, who let the situation get so bad he wanted Colombia to essentially cede about half of its territory to these gangs. Bush changed all that as soon as he got into office, one of the best things that he did during his term, IMHO. He had the cooperation of Colombia’s president.

IIRC, Mexico requested military help sometime ago and was turned down. I don’t think Obama really wants to control the drug gangs there, because they have close ties to Cuba and VZ (transshipment points for drugs from South America) as well as to left-wing forces in Mexico. Don’t forget the leftist municipal union riots that broke out when Calderon (conservative party) was elected; they actually tried to prevent him from taking office, and they are very powerful.

The problem now is that Mexico no longer trusts the US in any way. Obama is much more left-wing than the Mexican government, and in addition I think that after Fast and Furious any possibility of trust is pretty much gone.


26 posted on 10/02/2011 3:42:55 AM PDT by livius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hope so. Just posted something that looks promising from the UK perspective here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2786648/posts

We got rid of our hopey changey New Labour lot last election - but not completely, which is why we have coalition rule at the moment.


27 posted on 10/02/2011 3:44:51 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon

5% does sound familiar.

There is a link on the main forum for the 2004 copyright list thread. I don’t know if there are other sources within the thread or not. I think a page with just the info and no chat would be better. Something regulars cannot post to. Just the info we need.


28 posted on 10/02/2011 3:45:52 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: EnglishCon

Good to have Conservative here from across the pond.


29 posted on 10/02/2011 3:47:03 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: livius

Great points.

All Obama has done is make Mexico angry by saying they aren’t helping and then we find out that Obama-Holder have given guns to the Mexican cartels. How can there be any trust between our countries?

Perry has a working relationship with Mexico and his outreach would probably be very effective toward getting this border criminal activity cleaned up and the border sealed.


30 posted on 10/02/2011 3:47:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: livius

I do think that Fox would trust Perry. They have worked together for a while know, and know each other.
If Mexico requested help in dealing with the cartels, I think it would be provided.
Lets face it - half of the troubles on the border and with illegal immigration are either the cartels or people actively trying to escape them.


31 posted on 10/02/2011 3:48:28 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: MEG33

Thank you!
I have been reading here for years, but never got around to making an account until very recently.
It’s good to have a place to get information and to have discussions!


32 posted on 10/02/2011 3:50:55 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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I see that “campaign news” and “texas” have now been added as “topics” but “extended news” or “front page” news still is refused. Who plays around with those “topic” designations? It sure can bury a thread when you remove them.


33 posted on 10/02/2011 3:51:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You’ll find the same one one listed here noting updated 2011
http://www.freerepublic.com/~adminmoderator/

I get bumped off at times..usually when I have to shut down when I can’t do it properly..I stay logged in as FR is my homepage. Be sure to check “convenient” on your log in so you don’t have to type your password..a click on the line enters it automatically.


34 posted on 10/02/2011 4:05:17 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: EnglishCon; Cincinatus' Wife; livius

Fox...you refer to Vicente Fox, former Mexican President?

What am I missing here...I believe the current President is Calderon.

?


35 posted on 10/02/2011 4:28:48 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette; EnglishCon

The current president is Calderon. Fox was also from the PAN (conservative party), although he turned out to be somewhat of a flake on a personal level and I don’t think he and Bush really got along that well, especially after Fox took up a bit of populist anti-Americanism. Also, Fox didn’t handle the drug cartel problem very effectively; he made a few stabs at it but wasn’t willing to make the commitment that Calderon has made.

There is a strong connection between the cartels and government corruption in Mexico, and a strong connection between government corruption and the leftwing government employee unions (including the teachers) and parties.


36 posted on 10/02/2011 4:34:10 AM PDT by livius
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To: MEG33

Thank you for the link. It won’t load for me. Where is that found?

Being “knocked” off the forum happens to me when I’m posting, when on I come back to FR or in between postings. These events usually happen in the early morning.

The screen is always there for me to just “click” back in but it does seem to be done for a reason.


37 posted on 10/02/2011 4:34:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: txrangerette; All

......”Perry went over an immigration record that extends far beyond the tuition issue.

He said he vetoed a Texas bill that would have given illegal immigrants driver’s licenses, helped pass a bill requiring voter identification at the polls, spent $400 million on security measures to help seal the state’s border with Mexico, and strongly opposed granting amnesty to people who illegally entered the United States.

No one in the GOP field, he said, “has been any stronger on securing our border.”

He also said he may favor sending U.S. troops into Mexico to combat the drug trade.

“It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off of our borders,” he said.”....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/01/MN9B1LCAUD.DTL


38 posted on 10/02/2011 4:37:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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MANCHESTER, New Hampshire — Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry said on Saturday he would get the U.S. military involved in Mexico’s war with drug cartels, in comments likely to upset the Mexican government.
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I believe MSNBC is deliberately misintepreting Rick Perry in this article.

Well: Of course they are.

Obama has alraedy involved the US in Mexico’s War with drug Cartels, by supplying Criminal drug cartels with weapons.

I would think Mexico would appreciate our military helping them clean up Obama’s mess a lot more than they appreciate the mess Obama and Holder have made.

I don’t know if we need Rick Perry, I do know we don’t need Barrack HUSSEIN Obama.

Ask yourself this:

If Eric Holder and Obama were not involved in this developing scandal, would they promote one of the men that was? Reassign others.
Or would they come down to the ATF and the FBI and start lobbing off heads and dumping people in jail?


39 posted on 10/02/2011 4:39:14 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2735608/posts

I am glad I made lots of popcorn! I am going to be rich!

At least in 0 eyes...


40 posted on 10/02/2011 4:40:22 AM PDT by hadaclueonce ("Endeavor to persevere.")
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To: livius

My apologies - I missed the change in president in Mexico! Still thought it was Fox.

What is your assessment about the probability of co-operation between Calderon and a conservative President?


41 posted on 10/02/2011 4:42:38 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: hadaclueonce; Cincinatus' Wife

Why is a thread link posted that is from an old thread, and why are you breaking out the popcorn for an old thread?

Nor do I think Palin and Perry fighting each other would be a good thing, I’d rather see them team up than fight.

Strange, confusing post...got anything better to do with your time? Please do it.


42 posted on 10/02/2011 4:56:35 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts
This is linked on the Admin Moderator’s homepage.
It has some other good links, too.


43 posted on 10/02/2011 5:10:40 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: EnglishCon

Calling Perry a “conservative”...now, around here you could easily be attacked as ignorant and foolish for referring to Perry that way. Not by Freepers such as myself and Cincinatus’Wife but by others...just a fair warning, friend.

The Obama Administration has sold powerful guns to the drug cartel in an undercover operation called “fast and furious”. I know it sounds unbelievable but it is true. Instead of it being a “sting” operation to hurt the cartel, turns out it is a scheme to allow American politicians for gun control to blame US private gun dealers for guns going to the cartels, thereby allowing a legislative and or administrative banning of guns in private hands.

This is something the all powerful Feds, the liberal ones anyways, have wanted for a long time. Instead, the administration is caught with its hand in the cookie jar and we now know who was behind guns going to the cartels.

Private gun dealers were asked by the Bureau of Alchohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents to sell these guns on the quiet to individuals who then got them into the cartels hands. They were told it was a government law enforcement operation. Eventually, some of the gun shop owners talked and spilled the story. Now Republicans in Congress are investigating.

But the Liberal News Media is covering this up, as they know what a scandal it is and how it would hurt their guy, Obama.

The Mexican Government is extremely angry about this, as is reasonable. I believe they would welcome a President they could work with to fight the cartels.


44 posted on 10/02/2011 5:11:28 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

You are correct.


46 posted on 10/02/2011 5:58:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MEG33

Two of those links don’t help.

One is inactive and one goes to a donation link.


47 posted on 10/02/2011 7:10:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Admin Moderator; Cincinatus' Wife; shield

“Dude or Dudette as the case may be, or Sweetheart, if you will, . . . “


“Prior to this, I personally liked Rick Perry as a candidate . . . “

“Prove me wrong, puhleeze.”

Please tell me the Admin Moderator program has been hacked, and that personal, editorial comments are not the norm for Admin Moderators.

Just as I count on the posting program to help me keep up with the latest unwise decision of some publisher to limit his hits from FR, we depend on our Admin Moderators to be neutral and help us, not personal and partisan.

We go through these spells with more news on certain topics, and one reason people read and post is because of the interest in the topics. I love watching the race to be the first to post and depend on the real-time, real-life comments from FRiends.

And, every so often, some one hacks into the Admin Moderator program and gets too personal. I hope this is one of those times.


48 posted on 10/02/2011 8:57:36 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org Have mustard seed: will use it. To control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: hocndoc

You have got to be kidding!!!!


49 posted on 10/02/2011 9:10:35 AM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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