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Christie is Ready for the White House (But Palin isn't, according to Clifton)
Frum Forum ^ | October 4th, 2011 | Clifton Yin

Posted on 10/04/2011 12:06:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Speculation is rampant as to whether New Jersey Governor Chris Christie will enter the 2012 Republican presidential primary. Almost all the media focus thus far has been on political calculations, such as Christie’s ability to raise money, put together a national campaign organization, and withstand the rigors of the race.

For the most part, however, pundits are ignoring the most important consideration of all: Is Christie actually ready to be President of the United States?

The Washington Examiner’s Byron York, to his credit, did the math and points out that on October 10, 2011, Christie will have been governor for 629, whereas when Barack Obama announced his presidential candidacy on February 10, 2007, he had served as a U.S. senator for 768 days. On the other hand, it is not the tenure of service in public office that should concern voters, but rather the quality of that service, regardless of its length. Christie’s New Jersey administration has been marked by balanced budgets and other impressive accomplishments in fiscal responsibility, such as comprehensive pension reform, in contrast with the thin record of accomplishment in the Senate on the part of then-candidate Barack Obama.

Notably, the governor also took a principled stand on his appointment of a Muslim-American judge despite criticism from Islamaphobes, earning a standing ovation from the staff of MSNBC show host Lawrence O’Donnell, of all people.

Furthermore, Christie previously served as a U.S. Attorney for seven years and successfully tackled political corruption on the part of both Democrats and Republicans, having amassed, according to the New Jersey Star-Ledger, “an amazing record of 130 convictions against zero acquittals for the public officials he indicted.”

Christie himself has been refreshingly honest about his preparedness for the presidency, stating on multiple occasions that he feels like he may not be ready. This self-awareness indicates both a willingness and determination on Christie’s part to address his shortcomings. If the governor’s recent, excellent speech on the concept of American exceptionalism at the Reagan Library is any indication, he has already begun to vigorously study up on foreign policy.

Christie’s sentiment is also a marked contrast with other politicians – say, Sarah Palin – and another presidential contender, Herman Cain, who disingenuously claimed that running a pizza chain gave him insight into foreign policy and flat-out refused to discuss national security issues until after the election. In fact, Christie’s famous candor should itself be considered an important qualification for the presidency, all the more so in a time of national fiscal and economic crisis, when leaders and citizens alike have been reluctant to confront hard, unpopular truths. “Real leaders don’t read polls, they change polls,” as the governor declared during the question and answer session of his Reagan Library speech.

Chris Christie has been right on a great many things, but wrong on one. His record of accomplishment and rare character make him both ready and well-suited to be president.


TOPICS: New Jersey; Campaign News; Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: 2012; christie; obama; palin
Yeah, when a self-avowed communist gives you a standing ovation, you must be exactly what we need as the Republican nominee. Could these guys be any more RINOish?
1 posted on 10/04/2011 12:06:52 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only difference is that Christie is a MAN and so he will always be considered more ready for the presidency than Palin. I’ve certainly learned on FR that most conservatives do not want a woman near the oval office.


2 posted on 10/04/2011 1:53:34 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well I say let Christie get in the race. At least that way he and Romney can share the same votes and cancel each other out.


3 posted on 10/04/2011 2:00:52 AM PDT by casinva (The stock in McDonalds has just gone down because Obama has been serving so many whoppers.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Real men support Sarah Palin for President.


4 posted on 10/04/2011 2:06:43 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn
You mean "fight like a girl" "girl power" "mama grizzly" "woman up"? That Palin? Well I don't know if real men support her but I can't stand identity politics.

I see her as a decent candidate and could support her, but these real men you speak of seem to befalling all over themselves for other reasons or perhaps they missed Sarah Palin's Alaska. The main reason I would vote for Palin is if I knew she listened to Todd.

All that said, Chris Christie is waaaaay too obese for the Presidency. Palin runs half marathons and the rest of the candidates are at least in decent shape.

5 posted on 10/04/2011 2:32:41 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Wow, so...

If you don’t support Obama, you’re a racist.

If you don’t pick Palin as your primary candidate, you’re a sexist?

I see where this is going. And it makes perfect sense. Just watching the Obamabot-esque instance that Palin is “The One” on these forums has made it clear.


6 posted on 10/04/2011 2:39:12 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t take Christie seriously after his “suicide” comment. If he jumps in, I’ll actually have LOST a measure of respect for him. You can’t deny something THAT emphatically only to say, “Haha - psych! I was just kidding.”


7 posted on 10/04/2011 2:40:46 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: normy
I can't stand identity politics either, but Americans are even more tired of corrupt cronyism politics.

That excludes all the RINO male candidates being pushed forth this election season, and every RINO male candidate since 1988, including the falsely esteemed, anti-American GWB.

As far as Christie getting the "anti-corruption" vote for jailing a few cohorts who fell out of favor with his local mafia, that ain't going to happen.

As far as Rick Perry getting the majority vote of American citizens after many years of him pandering to illegals, the Mexican government, La Racists, muslims, Merck, and myriad other facets of his cronyist corruption, that ain't going to happen.

As far as Romney getting the majority vote of American citizens after years of pretending to be one thing after/before another. Romney is worse than an empty suit. He lacks any basic consistent principles, other than whatever will work to get him elected. Obama-Lite will be his political epitaph.

Cain has a fairly good message, probably is a good person, but he won't win a nationwide election. He can't raise the money, and he won't get the votes.

People support Sarah Palin not because she is a she. They support her because she is consistently pro-American, consistently anti-corruption, consistently pro-Constitution, consistently conservative, and consistently herself.

The people against her are consistently corrupt, in a variety of ways.

By the way, have you heard Todd Palin's interview?

8 posted on 10/04/2011 2:58:50 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn
No, but don't really need to but link it. I know Todd is an anti government, states rights kind of guy who wants the government to leave everyone alone. I also saw him as a pretty solid counter to Palin's neediness in Sarah Palin's Alaska. He seemed to be a calming factor.

I liked Palin alot until I saw SPA. She came across as in need of attention and frankly kinda trying too hard. I could see she has been a helpful wife to Todd but Todd and his oldest son seemed very solid guys, the girls seemed like spoiled brats. That was my take and it opened my eyes.

For the record this is a Christie thread and I try to stay off pro Palin threads so I don't ruin their enjoyment of talking about their candidate.

I support Perry. Don't bother trashing Perry either, I already hear every vile thing that could be said since Perry threads are full of bomb throwers. He has been my governor for 10 years. Iwent to his original inaugural ball and he is a decent man with a solid family. He will make a very good President.

9 posted on 10/04/2011 3:08:19 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Could anyone be more tone-deaf than Christie? He’s big enough that it will take awhile, but he will be chopped up and cast aside. A solid phoney.


10 posted on 10/04/2011 3:13:53 AM PDT by Phillipian (Post Tenebras Lux)
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To: normy
Todd Palin’s Interview with Stephen Bannon on the Victory Sessions
11 posted on 10/04/2011 3:31:56 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn

Thanks


12 posted on 10/04/2011 3:36:03 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

//////Christie!

He’s anti-gun!!
He’s Pro-Sharia Law and loves Muzzies, too.
He has NO PROBLEM with illegal aliens—BRING ‘EM ON!
He FEARS global warming....we need more laws and regulations to fight it!
He loves Cap ‘n Trade—bring it on!

We RINOS jus wuvve him to death—every fat Crispy Creme ounce of him!

What could possibly be wrong with this?


13 posted on 10/04/2011 4:04:15 AM PDT by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voters--let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a joke. Yeah, I like that he smacked down Dem Legislature and Teachers Union but, just started watching The Undefeated last night.

Sarah’s strength of character and guts FAR FAR outshines anything Christie’s done, to date. (I’d say her guts bigger than his but, ...)

Took on GOP Establishment, corrupt politicians, Big Oil (Exxon, etc) and finally NAYSAYERS’ MINDS (to this day and even right here) when she stepped down as Governer of Alaska OUT OF PRINCIPLE AND GOOD OF THE PEOPLE, knowing she’d personally take a hit.


14 posted on 10/04/2011 4:55:59 AM PDT by time4good
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To: miss marmelstein
The only difference is that Christie is a MAN and so he will always be considered more ready for the presidency than Palin. I’ve certainly learned on FR that most conservatives do not want a woman near the oval office.

miss m -- you noticed that too, eh? Betcha if we outright ask them, they will deny it. Still doesn't make it any less true.

15 posted on 10/04/2011 5:03:26 AM PDT by misharu (US Congress: Children without adult supervision.)
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To: normy; miss marmelstein
The main reason I would vote for Palin is if I knew she listened to Todd.

(miss m - inre to your earlier post . . .this is a case in point.)

So normy, what you are saying is if Sarah gets told how to run the country from Todd, then you are ok with that? That there is no way a woman could run the country without a man telling them what to do. Niiiiiice.

Golda Meier. Margaret Thatcher.

16 posted on 10/04/2011 5:07:09 AM PDT by misharu (US Congress: Children without adult supervision.)
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To: misharu

After watching SPA, yes.


17 posted on 10/04/2011 5:36:47 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

I suspect that Normy didn’t watch more than one episode of SPA, if that much.


18 posted on 10/04/2011 5:48:07 AM PDT by RefudiateObama2012
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To: casinva

Bobby Bacala vs. Joe Isuzu....

Good theater maybe, but we loose with this Fakakta carnival side show as a nation

19 posted on 10/04/2011 5:49:22 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: RefudiateObama2012
Actually I DVR'ed it and watched it with my wife and 3 kids. I used to fish for crab in Alaska and has 2 friends who captain boats today.

I thought Palin was awesome in 2008 and thought she beat Joe Bidens ass in the debate.

I saw Palin's Alaska and she no longer seemed Presidential to me. I saw her as a normal house wife who tried real hard to be liked.

That's not a dig on her, it's just how I saw her.

Later her daughter did DWTS and then her speeches became more "woman centric" and now she seems to have lost her joy.

I think she has a role just not President and neither does Christie, he's too fat. Chubby is ok but he probably weighs 400 lbs.

20 posted on 10/04/2011 6:09:54 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: misharu

Thank you for posting that remark to me.

See, this is what I was getting at. For those of us who followed the trashing of Michele Bachmann (and Sarah, obviously) here at FR, we know that many conservatives have a problem with women candidates. If you did not follow these threads, you might very well think all is well in conservative-land. But it is not.

And when I say “trashing” I do not mean serious disagreements with her statements and policies. I mean the trashing of her appearance, her voice, her marriage, her lifestyle, etc. Some of it was so ugly, it drove some of the more kindhearted off the boards. I stayed.


21 posted on 10/04/2011 6:18:42 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: normy

Normy, I don’t anything about you or whether you are overweight or thin or what. But many, many Americans are fat to obese.

I live in New Jersey and clearly remember the election between Jon Corzine and Chris Christie. Corzine’s entire campaign was based on the fact that Chris Christie was fat. Endless bad taste commercials emphasizing his girth. It got so bad that reporters began asking Corzine about HIS baldness problem.

I had multiple conversations with people who were angry at the attacks on Christie’s physique. In the end, it backfired, Corzine lost the election and the fat man won.

So if you do not want Christie near the Oval Office, lay off the fat remarks. It may very well backfire on YOU.


22 posted on 10/04/2011 6:27:45 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
I'm serious! He's gotten fatter. It's one thing to be heavy and another to be 400lb's. I have a very close friend who died at 35 and he was around that weight.

It's not the fact of being fat, it's the fact of being obese and running a country. Will he lose weight as President? He looks like he's gotten fatter. That is a serious health issue.

23 posted on 10/04/2011 6:32:42 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: casinva

This is pure insanity. If Christie is dumb enough to think he has a prayer at this stage and with his views, then he has more than appearance problems....Yes, any votes he took would come from Romney, but he won’t register after Iowa.


24 posted on 10/04/2011 6:36:45 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: normy

Since he’s MY governor and I’ve seen him at events, I can assure you that he is about the same weight as when he was elected. Seriously.

I, personally, do not want Christie to run for President. He lost me the day he refused to condemn the Ground Zero mosque. This is a state that lost 700 people on 9/11.

But keep up the fat remarks. It helped him to the Governorship and maybe it will help him become President.

Unless, of course, you support him for the presidency. In that case, full fat ahead!


25 posted on 10/04/2011 6:42:00 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There has not been a single fat president in USA after the invention of television.

Christie has no chance.
26 posted on 10/04/2011 6:44:11 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: miss marmelstein

I could agree with your post if you said “some conservatives” instead of “most conservatives”. There are question marks about Palin - just as there are questions about most candidates.

However, I must say that Palin has certainly been vetted - unlike Obama, and even Romney, to some extent.


27 posted on 10/04/2011 6:44:55 AM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: bolobaby

How goofy! Where did I ever say that not supporting Obama is racist!

I didn’t vote for the man so I guess I’m the racist.


28 posted on 10/04/2011 6:47:42 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
And when I say “trashing” I do not mean serious disagreements with her statements and policies. I mean the trashing of her appearance, her voice, her marriage, her lifestyle, etc. Some of it was so ugly, it drove some of the more kindhearted off the boards. I stayed.

Yep, you got that right. I literally CRINGE at some of the comments made on Palin (and other candidate)threads. I find the comments crass and classless. But I have been a member of the forum for too long to leave. And I am GLAD you stayed!

After all, we just let the men THINK they run things!

29 posted on 10/04/2011 6:50:29 AM PDT by misharu (US Congress: Children without adult supervision.)
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To: miss marmelstein

No, the point is that “you’re a racist” is what the drooling Obamabots say if you don’t support him 100%.

Now I’m hearing “you’re a sexist” from Palin people because some of us have a different choice in the primary.

The parallels between Team Obama and Team Palin are starting to get scary. Both Teams think their candidate is “The One” with no possible fault. Both Teams ascribe qualities to their candidate that warp reality.

To be honest, for someone like myself who has always been fairly supportive of Palin, it is a BIG turnoff.


30 posted on 10/04/2011 7:54:48 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/chris-christie-not-running-for-president/


31 posted on 10/04/2011 7:57:14 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: bolobaby

First goofy, now silly. No comparison between the two camps. You must be a Perry supporter.


32 posted on 10/04/2011 8:10:44 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: misharu

I’m glad you stayed, too.

If Palin throws her hat into the ring, I’ll be cringing, too. It’s Saul Alinsky tactics - those of the schoolyard and the atmosphere of the Lord of the Flies.


33 posted on 10/04/2011 8:14:12 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

You forgot “sexist.” I must be a sexist for not supporting Palin.

You know - your original premise?


34 posted on 10/04/2011 8:46:13 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: bolobaby

Noooo....

It would only be sexist if your objections to her were based on her solely being a woman.


35 posted on 10/04/2011 9:23:00 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Krosan

I am 6 feet, 345lbs and Gov. Chris Christie is a LOT bigger than I am, from all the photos I've seen. He must weigh at least 400lbs.

36 posted on 10/04/2011 11:17:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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