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Tuesday’s Republican debate will save Perry’s campaign, or end it
Yahoo! News' The Ticket ^ | October 10, 2011 | Holly Bailey

Posted on 10/10/2011 4:20:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Republican presidential candidates will gather for their second televised debate in New Hampshire on Tuesday night, when Bloomberg and the Washington Post host a forum centered entirely on the economy.

The back and forth on policy at the debate could be overshadowed by a bigger storyline: Can Rick Perry use the event to turn his turn his campaign around?

Perry, the governor of Texas, has lost his position as the front-runner in 2012 polls in recent weeks, amid criticism over his uneven debate performances. His position on Social Security, which he's described as a "Ponzi scheme" and a "monstrous lie" that ought to be administered by the 50 states instead of the federal government, will almost certainly come under scrutiny at the debate. His support for allowing illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at Texas public universities is also likely to come up, as his rivals have cast the policy as fiscally unwise.

At the last three debates, Perry has struggled to defend his policies, and he has also had trouble delivering scripted attacks against Mitt Romney, his leading opponent for the Republican presidential nomination. Will Perry be better prepared Tuesday night?

The answer could determine the fate of his campaign for the White House. While Perry raised $17 million in his first weeks as a presidential candidate, money alone won't allow the Texas governor to overcome skepticism among Republican voters and party insiders about his ability to defeat President Barack Obama. Only a strong debate showing and a steady grasp of issues can do that.

If Perry can't regain momentum now, he will not be able to recover.....

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: New Hampshire; Campaign News; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: heartless; immigration; instatetuition; perry; romney
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1 posted on 10/10/2011 4:20:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

His debate performances don’t seem uneven to me, they seem universally bad.


2 posted on 10/10/2011 4:24:19 PM PDT by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Tuesday’s Republican debate will save Perry’s campaign, or end it”

I’m sure hoping for for the latter.


3 posted on 10/10/2011 4:26:29 PM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The latter, in my opinion. But, it will come down to whether or not he can hold onto his funders, regardless of how bad or good he does in the debate.


4 posted on 10/10/2011 4:27:26 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Grunthor

Perry or no Perry, I’m not voting for Mr. National Sales Tax. You can vote for new taxes if you want. I ain’t gonna do it. NO WAY.


5 posted on 10/10/2011 4:27:39 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: Huck

The voice of reason? In all this CainTrain? I am shocked. Reminds me a lot of the Paulbots in ‘08.


6 posted on 10/10/2011 4:33:15 PM PDT by Tornillo ("arm yourselves" - Sheriff West,Hudspeth County Texas)
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To: Ingtar

Can he memorize more than one line..

He should keep it simple, like “Oxygen good”, “obama bad”

I expect it to be painful “well pakistan.. we should, er, even Reagan said that, hmm, my opponent here claimed that india, er (long pause) we could..should consult with allies’

Anyway, at least we know why he avoided debates in Texas


7 posted on 10/10/2011 4:33:56 PM PDT by heiss (heartless)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ca gov brown just signed into law a similar bill to gov perry’s:

allows children of illegals in-state tuition.

this issue resonates with the following:

1. lower and middle class americans that pay taxes for the illegals’ health care, public schooling, and in-state tuition, but are denied the same for themselves.

2. military veterans, same as above.

3. legal immigrants who endured the years and costs of becoming americans, same as above.


8 posted on 10/10/2011 4:34:07 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2D, I hope Perry makes a much better showing and delivers good and sufficient answers to the Romney-promoting panel hosts who want to finish Rick Perry off. However, the brief time allowed to counter what is a full blown assault against Perry may require more than one debate. This debate theme centers on the economy, so Rick dragging around Exhibit A, the TEXAS economy, should by itself bury all the light weights who have delivered nothing but rhetoric. I like the guy with the goods rather than the chops. You know what I mean.


9 posted on 10/10/2011 4:36:57 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: Tornillo

The Media manipulates people toward who will increase their revenues. They are not interested it what is happening to the country. They cover-up and hide the truth about Obama.
They decide who you will love or hate in the GOP race.


10 posted on 10/10/2011 4:37:12 PM PDT by FreedBird
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he drops out, will Perry’s supporters back Cain or Romney?


11 posted on 10/10/2011 4:39:37 PM PDT by TChad
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To: bigbob

I’ve clearly walked into the wrong post. Obviously no one here thinks Perry can pull it off. I just read that his center stage placement at the debate has been awarded to Mr Cain....who supports the Federal Reserve and has never governed and has admitted he will not support a Republican candidate if it’s Perry. I’m not buying any of it. Something is very wrong and it’s not Rick Perry. This is a set-up. We’re getting tricked again....without light filters and a teleprompter. Most people in the know understand his immigration policy in Texas. Most people in the know understand no vaccine was EVER forced on any little girl. Most people in the know can point to the fact that Perry has appointed more Blacks to important positions than any governor in America. Something stinks to high heaven.


12 posted on 10/10/2011 4:41:48 PM PDT by FryingPan101 (Perry/Palin)
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To: FryingPan101
Something stinks to high heaven.

Yeah, it can't possibly be that Rick "you-have-no-heart" Perry disqualified HIMSELF. No, it's a conspeeeeeeeracy.

13 posted on 10/10/2011 4:49:28 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Not sure I understand the strange vitriol for Perry. Is it just the in-state tuition thing? That's a state issue and was voted for by the majority of the legislature. I'm from Texas - that doesn't bother me.

I hope he does well. But I don't think it will be *the end* (as some are hoping) if he does only average. His strong point has never been formal debate - that was stated from day one. But he's great with speeches and campaigning. I thought we want someone who can win the general election, someone that will also attract independents. I think he can do that.

14 posted on 10/10/2011 4:53:02 PM PDT by independent in tx
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To: Ingtar

What can Perry say tomorrow night thats new? “I am now agains’t the Texas Dream Act”? Not gonna happen. Its Romney or Cain. I’m with Cain and I hope he teams up with Newt which would be a winning combo IMHO.


15 posted on 10/10/2011 4:55:55 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: FryingPan101

I agree, smell it clear out here on left coast.


16 posted on 10/10/2011 4:57:53 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: M. Thatcher

“Rick “you-have-no-heart” Perry”

That’s it? Boy! One would trip over your bar.


17 posted on 10/10/2011 5:02:04 PM PDT by FryingPan101 (Perry/Palin)
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To: independent in tx
Not sure I understand the strange vitriol for Perry.

He taps into the resentment of G.W. Bush.

18 posted on 10/10/2011 5:11:41 PM PDT by TChad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nice smut remark.

Perry doesn't necessarily have to win the debate, but he can't stumble like he did in the Fox/Google debate. If Perry turns in another poor performance it won't help his campaign, but it won't kill it off either.

Perry is a true fiscal and social conservative and a strong proponent of states rights and limited govt. If conservatives eventually reject Perry, say hello to Mitt Romney, gop nominee 2012!

19 posted on 10/10/2011 5:16:41 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s a “Debate” Tuesday? Who knew? Will it be on teevee?


20 posted on 10/10/2011 5:16:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: FryingPan101
That’s it? Boy! One would trip over your bar.

Okay, since you didn't understand my response to your charge "this is a setup," let me put it in smaller words: Perry did it to himself.

21 posted on 10/10/2011 5:18:38 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Cyber Liberty

It will be on Bloomberg TV, if you get that.

It will probably also be streamed at Bloomberg TV website.


22 posted on 10/10/2011 5:22:45 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: FryingPan101

Your correct, something does stink. It is senor ricarrdo hussein perrynista and his islam/muslim and illegal loving positions. No true conservative wants to see our country continue to be overun by these 2 insidious groups. LaRaza ricky sure seems to. He and those other to idiot fools, mitty and paul, can ALL go take a leap. NO MORE RINOS!


23 posted on 10/10/2011 5:24:10 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: FryingPan101
“Rick “you-have-no-heart” Perry” That’s it? Boy! One would trip over your bar.

We don't need a tongue-tied Texan who sinks his boot into the cow pie then crams it down the throats of the conservative base he is trying to win over. Call me heartless. We are not impressed.

24 posted on 10/10/2011 5:28:06 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Rick Perry's 2012 campaign is Fred Thompson v2.0)
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To: Reagan Man

The debates have had a viewership of about 4,000 to 6,000.

Most potential voters are getting only what the news says after the debates.

The various straw polls are rather meaningless, if one looks at the similar polls from 2008 — which had Guliani taking the nomination.

All the ‘flavor of the month’ frenzy over Cain reminds me of the fury over Thompson in 2008.

Every wannabe is one sound byte away from a ‘macaca moment’ or a ‘Muskie meltdown’ or a ‘Deaniac scream’. The preference polls can chance on a word or phrase or look.

For all the current hoopla, first actual vote may not be until December or January. Then, the polls might have more accuracy and meaning.


25 posted on 10/10/2011 5:31:40 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: M. Thatcher

“Perry did it to himself.”

I concentrated weally , weally hard and got your little words.
Question remains. That’s it? You took “heartless” personally? He scored that easily? No use in going any further with this. If Perry “did it to himself” I would ask how, but that question in itself would disregard all his achievements and potential. Thanks. Could you kick that bar out of the way?


26 posted on 10/10/2011 5:33:28 PM PDT by FryingPan101 (Perry/Palin)
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To: bobby.223

“Your correct, something does stink. It is senor ricarrdo hussein perrynista and his islam/muslim and illegal loving positions. No true conservative wants to see our country continue to be overun by these 2 insidious groups. LaRaza ricky sure seems to. He and those other to idiot fools, mitty and paul, can ALL go take a leap. NO MORE RINOS!”

LOL! LOL! So you’re a Paulie?


27 posted on 10/10/2011 5:37:03 PM PDT by FryingPan101 (Perry/Palin)
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To: NautiNurse

We don’t need a tongue-tied Texan who sinks his boot into the cow pie then crams it down the throats of the conservative base he is trying to win over. Call me heartless. We are not impressed.”

LOL! LOL! I can’t stop laughing. It’s like the word “heartless” is now the word “boo.”
Who is “we?” Cow pie? Tongue-tied? We are just dumb in wonderful Texas, aren’t we?


28 posted on 10/10/2011 5:42:58 PM PDT by FryingPan101 (Perry/Palin)
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To: independent in tx
His strong point has never been formal debate - that was stated from day one. But he's great with speeches and campaigning.

We already have a President like that: Baraq Hussein 0bama.

we want someone who can win the general election, someone that will also attract independents.

There are 2 big issues on which the majority of Americans, including independents, agree: Opposition to 0bamacare, and opposition to illegal immigration. Romney throws away the first issue, and Perry the second.

29 posted on 10/10/2011 5:48:28 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: TomGuy
The size of the TV debate audiences have grown steadily this gop primary campaign. The Fox/Google debate drew 6 million!

While debates are just one component of a campaign effort. Clearly, debates have grown in importance over the years and this time around its hitting a new high due to the influence of the 24-7 cable news cycle with Fox, CNN, msnbc, CNBC, FBN and Bloomberg. A candidate doesn't have to necessarily win any debates, but he or she must not be so bad as to stick out like a sore thumb. That was Perry's problem in the Fox/Google debate.

This is October, December and January are just around the corner.

30 posted on 10/10/2011 5:48:52 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: heiss
He should keep it simple, like “Oxygen good”, “obama bad”

Perry's practicing and practicing that line on the campaign bus (below). He's almost got it down pat.


31 posted on 10/10/2011 5:53:34 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (PERRY - Special Needs for a Special Time)
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To: FryingPan101

I explained at the time.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2782845/posts


32 posted on 10/10/2011 5:53:47 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: FryingPan101
ROFLMAO! I can't stop laughing that Texans like you actually believe the rest of us would support your tongue-tied pandering Perry. As for dumb--if the shoe fits...

Sincerely,

Heartless in Florida


The Muse

33 posted on 10/10/2011 6:07:39 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Rick Perry's 2012 campaign is Fred Thompson v2.0)
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To: ken21
ca gov brown just signed into law a similar bill to gov perry’s:

That's a lie; CA already had TX-style in-state tuition for illegals before the new bills. CA stands alone as a sanctuary state.

34 posted on 10/10/2011 6:15:31 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins in 2012.)
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To: TChad
If he drops out, will Perry’s supporters back Cain or Romney?

Neither. They're one-and-the-same.

35 posted on 10/10/2011 6:17:59 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins in 2012.)
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To: independent in tx

Welcome to FReerepublic.. and not all of us Texans are on his bandwagon.


36 posted on 10/10/2011 6:19:29 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: FreedBird

How sad,we went from a Republic to a feudal system in a century. But look on the bright side. You’ve got “Dancing with the Stars”


37 posted on 10/10/2011 6:26:21 PM PDT by Tornillo ("arm yourselves" - Sheriff West,Hudspeth County Texas)
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To: newzjunkey

you’re wrong.


38 posted on 10/10/2011 6:29:46 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: newzjunkey

Brown OKs bill for illegal immigrant student aid

By SHEILA V KUMAR, Associated Press
1:09 p.m., Oct. 8, 2011

Bill lets illegal students apply for public aid
Bill would let illegal immigrant students get aid
Calif bill allows college aid for illegal students
Law opens private aid to Illegal college students
Student-aid bill for illegal immigrants signed

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Illegal immigrants can now apply for state-funded scholarships and aid at state universities after Gov. Jerry Brown announced Saturday that he has signed the second half of a legislative package focused on such students.


39 posted on 10/10/2011 6:36:34 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I disagree. I think this one is all about Cain. If Cain blows it, they all will get another look-see. If Cain does well, he will be tomorrow’s winner. If the other guys hold their own, nothing changes.

However, if perry appears normal at the start and an hour later sounds again like michael Jackson on Propofol, he’s toast.


40 posted on 10/10/2011 6:41:11 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: FryingPan101

The venom over the heartless remark is incomprehensible.
All these conservatives getting twitterpated over Cain
is also incomprehensible. Consider:

He is a successful CEO. Well, there are tens of thousands of successful CEOs in the country.

He is a conservative talk show host. There are scores of them in the counry.

All we have from Cain is talk. That’s all the liberals who
went nuts for Obama had. Does anyone think Cain will govern
to the right of Perry?

Last election, I thought Huckabee was a bit impure when it
came to immigration. Looking back, I regret that. He would
have been so much a better president.


41 posted on 10/10/2011 6:48:09 PM PDT by odawg
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To: independent in tx

“Not sure I understand the strange vitriol for Perry.”

Look at some of the anti-Perry posts. Notice that their main dislike is “Perry’s immigration position.” But it’s not the “position” they despise.


42 posted on 10/10/2011 6:48:16 PM PDT by magritte
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To: NautiNurse

We are all HEARTLESS now!


43 posted on 10/10/2011 6:49:52 PM PDT by alley cat
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To: odog

Thumbs up for sanity.


44 posted on 10/10/2011 6:53:06 PM PDT by FryingPan101 (Perry/Palin)
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To: NautiNurse

“ROFLMAO! I can’t stop laughing that Texans like you actually believe the rest of us would support your tongue-tied pandering Perry. As for dumb—if the shoe fits...
Sincerely,

Heartless in Florida”

I’m sorry you’re heartless in Florida. Sincerely even. You’re missing out.
Who will you support if the candidate is Perry?

Anyway, Florida is such a great vacation for us several times a year, I’ll let you slide this time.


45 posted on 10/10/2011 7:02:06 PM PDT by FryingPan101 (Perry/Palin)
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To: ken21

No, the CA bill is considerably different from the TX one. TX bill merely allowed them to pay their own instate tuition. CA gives loans, grants etc. Big difference.


46 posted on 10/10/2011 7:15:58 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: TChad

Probably not. Since Perry is a staunch conservative, the Evangelicals would probably stay home if Romney is the candidate. Cain, well I don’t know. I would only vote for Cain if he was the nominee. I won’t vote for him in the Primary. Don’t count Perry out yet. He has never lost an election in TX.


47 posted on 10/10/2011 7:20:51 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: bobby.223

You comments go beyond just opinion and border on hate speech. I will simply consider you a smear merchant.


48 posted on 10/10/2011 7:23:08 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: FryingPan101

You are correct. Something does smell. I believe that Cain is carrying the water for Romney for a VP spot. The major Republican bundlers have stated they are collecting for Romney. I sure don’t want another liberal foisted on conservatives.


49 posted on 10/10/2011 7:26:33 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: FryingPan101

You are rude, crude and insulting to those of us who live in TX. You must be one of those liberals, or an Obama Dem who is engaging in disinformation.


50 posted on 10/10/2011 7:29:03 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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