Posted on 10/22/2011 9:35:25 AM PDT by Brookhaven
If you go to Rick Santorum's official website, you'll find the following blub on the front page:
HERMAN CAIN - PRO-TARP, PRO-TAX AND NOW, PRO-CHOICE
Cain Tells CNN's Piers Morgan That Abortion is a Decision for the Individual, "Whatever They Decide, They Decide." Verona, PA - Herman Cain has said another outrageous statement out of touch with conservative values, this time...
If you follow the link, this is what you see:
HERMAN CAIN - PRO-TARP, PRO-TAX AND NOW, PRO-CHOICE
Cain Tells CNN's Piers Morgan That Abortion is a Decision for the Individual, "Whatever They Decide, They Decide."
Verona, PA - Herman Cain has said another outrageous statement out of touch with conservative values, this time on the issue of abortion.
Senator Santorum said: "Herman Cain said that he believes life begins at conception, but that it's up to the individual to decide whether or not to terminate that life. And I find it gravely troubling that Herman believes it's a life, but that he doesn't consider it a life worth fighting for. As the author of the partial birth abortion ban and other pro-life pieces of legislation, this is the exact mentality myself and other true pro-life advocates fought against. In fact, Herman's pro-choice position is similar to those held by John Kerry, Barack Obama and many others on the liberal left. No, Herman, it is not 'whatever they decide,'this is an innocent human life. It is unconscionable for Herman to run for the nomination of the Party that stands in defense of Life while showing disregard for the sanctity of Life. You cannot be both personally against abortion while condoning it - you can't have it both ways. We must defend the defenseless, period."
In an interview last night CNN host Piers Morgan asked Mr. Cain about his stance on abortion:
MORGAN: This is what is comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
MORGAN: You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.
CAIN: No they don't. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
MORGAN: That's a very interesting departure --
CAIN: Yes.
MORGAN: -- from the normal politics.
CAIN: Exactly.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/19/pmt.01.html
Santorum starts the transcript of the conversation between Morgan and Cain long after the question was asked. The actual transcript should read:
MORGAN: But you've had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?
CAIN: You're mixing two things here, Piers?
MORGAN: Why?
CAIN: You're mixing --
MORGAN: That's what it comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.
Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.
MORGAN: By expressing the view that you expressed, you are effectively -- you might be president. You can't hide behind now the mask, if you don't mind me saying, of being the pizza guy. You might be the president of United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.
CAIN: No they don't. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
MORGAN: That's a very interesting departure --
CAIN: Yes.
MORGAN: -- from the normal politics.
CAIN: Exactly.
Why does Rick Santorum deliberatly leave out the red part of the conversatiom? Because it places the answer in context.
Rick Santorum lies about the question being asked Herman Cain.
I hate to use the word lie, and I'd rather give Rick Santorum (who has been a strong pro-life advocate) the benefit of the doubt, but in this case it's true. Notice in the quote from Santorum's official website, this is what they say was the question being asked:
In an interview last night CNN host Piers Morgan asked Mr. Cain about his stance on abortion:
They go out of their way to make is seem as if Herman Cain is talking about his general view on abortion. That isn't true. The question Herman Cain was answering was about rape victims, and should they be forced to raise the child. It was clearly not about Herman Cain's general views on abortion.
The pro-life movement is too important to be playing petty politics with. If Rick Santorum wants to criticise Herman Cain on this, then he should at least post the entire conversation, in context, rather than using selective quotes in an attempt to twist what people are saying.
Rick Santorum self destructs again. He lied and mischaracterized. He will pay the price as he should.
Who cares what Rick Santorum thinks? He’s a mere road bump on the election highway.
Santorum isn’t the only one doing this. A few Perry trolls are doing this on FR as well.
Santorum is the next that needs to go. He is adding little to the debate other than vicious attacks. He did finally go after Mitt this last debate, and I thank him for zeroing in on the real target, but it needs to come from the potential front runners. Perry, Cain, and Bachmann should take the themes of Mitt’s weaknesses from here.
Rick, Rick, Rick...this is what it comes down to? I still think he’s the best on family values, which is a huge factor for me, but if this is all he has left, he really needs to throw in the towel.
He and Bachmann both need to bow out while they still have something of their reputations intact.
He is such a silly doofus. He was dead to me when he backed Arlen Specter against Pat Toomey. Why anyone gives him the time of day since then is beyond me.
There’s a few here at FR distorting Cain’s words, too. G-d knows who is playing fast and loose with Cain’s words. jmo
Santorum is too much weasel with a measure of putz thrown in. He is so NOT presidential. Save the money, narrow the field and drop out. He does not have ‘it’.
Meh. Weasel d*#% has been.
I’m going to go ahead and post this on this thread too (for the record):
Cain clarified on FOX again yesterday:
“Let me just state again, I am pro-life from conception, no exceptions,” Cain responded. “I will not fund any abortions by the government, I will sign any legislation to de-fund and all of the other variations of this whole pro-life issue.”
MacCallum then asked, “The question is, do you want abortion to be legal in this country for families who want to make that decision?”
Cain replied, “No. No, I do not believe abortion should be legal in this country if that’s the question. I’m consistent with that.”
“Look, abortion should not be legal,” Cain said a moment later. “That is clear,” he said, adding that anyone who wanted to get an abortion would be breaking the law by doing so: “But if that family made a decision to break the law, that’s that family’s decision.”
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Cain’s history on pro-life issues:
National Right to Life Conference Speech
http://hermancainissues.com/speeches/right-to-life-conference-speech-62411/
Herman Cain on Abortion
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Herman_Cain_Abortion.htm
African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life (2006)
http://www.lifenews.com/2006/09/13/nat-2583/
Herman Cain Reaffirms Commitment to Pro-Life Principles
http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?LVMF—8Oz3-WCSgU7
Cain Picks Clarence Thomas as Model for Supreme Court Pick
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/232604/20111017/herman-cain-clarence-thomas-supreme-court.htm
2004 - Herman Cain blasts Roe v. Wade (Free Republic - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1063707/posts
And Alveda King affirmed on Facebook that she knew and worked with Cain on Pro-life issues over the years and testifies that he is Prolife
Herman Cain: Defund Racist Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/18/herman-cain-defund-racist-planned-parenthood-abortion-biz/
Herman Cain: Planned Parenthood Should Be Called ‘Planned Genocide’
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/herman-cain-planned-parenthood-should-be-called-planned-genocide.php
Herman Cain was endorsed by the Georgia Right-To-Life PAC in the 2004 US Senate GOP primary. Cain’s primary challenger from 2004, Johnny Isakson, had a pro-choice streak in his voting record and it was the reason why GRTL endorsed him.
Life, liberty & pursuit of happiness starts with unborn life
The Founding Fathers got it right. The Founding Fathers got it right because of those fundamental principles: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They also got it in the right order. That wasn’t an accident. Their vision meant that you could pursue happiness in America as long as you don’t infringe upon the liberties of somebody else. And you can pursue all the liberties that you want as long as you don’t infringe upon the life of anybody else. And that starts with the life of the unborn.
Source: , May 1, 2011
Defund Planned Parenthood; intent was to kill black babies
I absolutely would defund Planned Parenthood—not because I don’t believe in planning parenthood, [but because] Planned Parenthood as an organization is an absolute farce on the American people.
People who know the history of Margaret Sanger, who started Planned Parenthood, they know that the intention was not to help young women who get pregnant to plan their parenthood. No—it was a sham to be able to kill black babies.
Source: Interview on the Bryan Fischer radio show , Jan 18, 2011
Life begins at conception, period
I believe that life begins at conception, period. And that means that I will have to see enough evidence that someone I would appoint shares that same view. I believe that the current Supreme Court is leaning too much to the liberal side.
I’m a Christian, I’ve been a Christian all my life. I’ve been a believer in the Bible since I was 10 years old. I’m very active in my church, and there is no way I would compromise my religious beliefs about the sanctity of life. And so it starts with, will they have demonstrated, in some of their other rulings, if they come from the federal judge bench, whether or not they also share that.
Because I believe that the principles that our Founding Fathers cherished, when they founded this country, and wrote the Declaration of Independence which inspired the Constitution, they were based upon biblical principles. I want to get back to those principles as president, if I run and get elected—not rewrite those documents.
ontheissues.org
Family values should also include not bearing false witness.
Santorum is becoming a bore - and his Mike Huckabee style of shameless niche politics is really a huge turn off.
I agree with almost every stand Santorum has. I respect anyone who can raise a family like he does. And yet, because of stuff like this, I can no longer stand the sight of him.
santorum acts like he has a chip on his shoulder.
he’s out of his league.
—ouch, that’s gonna leave a mark —
I’m very disappointed in Santorum. This is exactly the kind of thing he should have avoided.
I almost hope Cain points it out at the next debate.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor, Mr. Santorum.
-God
Santorum should just get out. There’s no way in hell he wins in a general election. I doubt he’d help much on the ticket either, except for dishing out ‘red meat’, and perhaps to help keep the religious folks engaged.
Bearing False Witness, the new ‘little black dress’ of politics.
Santorum should just fade away.
>> I doubt he’d help much on the ticket either, except for dishing out ‘red meat’, and perhaps to help keep the religious folks engaged. >>
As one of the “religious folks” - I cannot stand Santorum as a candidate. I think though I get your point — perhaps a way to keep the single issue or social issue only folk engaged.....
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at.
You got THAT right! bttt
Once again you show your true colors.
>>> Once again you show your true colors. >>>
Oh really smart-ss? What are they? I submit you have shown your true ignorance.
Those who attack conservatives as “single-issue” or “social issue-only” are what they are. It’s obvious.
Rick Santorum lied! His campaign died!
>> Those who attack conservatives as “single-issue” or “social issue-only” are what they are. It’s obvious. >>
I think being single issue or social only is to be a faux conservative. I think not knowing the times you are in belies Biblical warning. Why don’t you shut up for a second and read the some 150 thousand words I’ve written on every conceivable political, economic and social issue here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/c_edmund_wright/
Read that, then you’ll know my “true colors” to a point. Until then, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Desperate candidates do desperate things.
No thanks. I’ve had all of your writing I can stomach.
If you were any fuller of yourself you’d explode.
Although I used to have the utmost respect for Santorum, his performance during this presidential run has led me to lose more and more respect as time passed. And this ends it completely. This dishonesty on his part has destroyed any residual good will I had left for him.
Goodbye, Rick. I thought I knew you. I was wrong.
1. Cain
2. Bachmann
3. Gingrich
4. Santorum
5. Perry
Neither Paul nor Romney is acceptable.
You are hateful and ignorant. If you knew what my wife and I do for Christian causes on multiple continents you would be ashamed of what you have insinuated.
You and I want the same thing: the difference is, I give you credit for that while disagreeing with how to get there. You? You assume you know my agenda.
All I want from a government is the freedom to walk my Christian walk and run my business and raise my kids and spend my money the way I see fit. All too often, the “most Christian” candidate is NOT the way to get the best government result for Christians.
I can see that. You cannot. Shame on you .
Yeah, I know, I know. You’re really a big deal. Like you’ve told me ad nauseum every time I’ve ever talked with you.
I am leaning much narrower. Cain, Gingrich. Bachmann lies. Has from the second she began this run...from her family finances to the knifing of Sarah Palin with Ralph Reed, to rollins, to rhe family reunion she never attended, and then 666. Can’t trust her.
You’ve never done anything but hurl insults at me based on what you think I am. You always go personal. I simply respond. I simply point out how off base you are. I simply point out how you and reality do not intersect.
Calling conservatives “single issue” and “social issue-only” is like waving around a large red flag that says “I’m an unprincipled Republican hack.”
See ya.
>> Calling conservatives “single issue” and “social issue-only” is like waving around a large red flag that says “I’m an unprincipled Republican hack.” >>
I am sure you believe that, but this is where we have differing depths of analytical ability. While it is true that some “unprincipled Republican hacks” may say that, it is not true that everyone who would say that is one.
The reverse is that some who are single issue folks are economic and foreign policy illiterates or perhaps even economic liberals in some cases. But I would never say they all are.
Conservative to you means social issues period. I intellectually think that is flawed. To me it means Constitutionally limited government and pro liberty - which includes the right to life and a recognition of the religious underpinnings of our Founders.
Again, you have a very shallow way of defining everything and apparently, everybody.
The majority of my published work (and covert ghost work) is hard core anti establishment and anti elitist. Thus, the idea that I am some “Republican hack” is ridiculous on its face. To put that in evidence to simply show you are full of it is a reasonable reply on my part.
I wasn’t excited about Santorum before but I didn’t dislike him. Now I do.
Rick Santorum is knowingly being dishonest. He knows Cain is Pro-Life. He is trashing another Pro-Life individual for the purposes of advancing his campaign. That is immoral.
Hard to run as a candidate of upright morality while bearing a false witness. Hopefully the half truths were the product of an overzealous and misguided staffer. Rick ought to issue an apology and ask Cain to forgive him for unrighteous an slander.
Hard to run as a candidate of upright morality while bearing a false witness. Hopefully the half truths were the product of an overzealous and misguided staffer. Rick ought to issue an apology and ask Cain to forgive him for unrighteous an slander.
MAYBE he’s trying to creat a big firestorm, much adeiu about nothing in reality, to give Cain free advertizing as he falls on his own sword for candidacy as he knows the reality.
He’s not so stupid to miss Cain’s point, he’s following “no press is bad press”.
Do you thing these media outlets would bring Cain on if he was ho-hum pro-life - no, they bring him on because they think blood is in the water!
Thank’s Rick!
Bachmann - 666 - sheeze, she’s doing the same thing! What voter do you think she was trying to impress? None. She was giving Cain a headline/interview.
Now even more know “999” and exactly how pro-life Cain is - no doubts.
Before these two, 90% fewer had any clue or cared.
"I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion under no circumstances," Cain said. Morgan asked Cain if that meant he felt the procedure was impermissible in cases of rape and incest, which many anti-abortion activists and conservatives carve out exceptions for.
Cain reiterated that there were "no circumstances" under which he supported abortion. "If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?"
Morgan asked. Cain said that Morgan was "mixing" questions, but then replied: "No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
I don't know how he could make it any clearer then this.
People around here who are emotionally tied to other candidates in the campaign need to keep in mind the 9th Commandment is not a suggestion.
Bearing false witness is still a sin
Add Fox News Channel to that list. I’ve now watched three separate FOX shows in the last 24 hours make the same misrepresentation.
When Rick was a rookie house member, he and I rode the Monday morning 6:00 AM USAIR flight from Pittsburgh to DC and I got to know him and we would chat.
I supported Rick for Senator and was very happy with his performance until he {and GWB} talked a good game about conservatives and then back stabbed Pat Toomey in the primary and sphincter beat him by a mere 2 votes per precinct.
I talked to Rick about that and when he was up for election in 06, I voted for him but I wouldn't donate nor work for his campaign.
I met him at a NRA event, and he couldn't believe how few people showed and I told him it was because the folks were pissed at him for throwing all of us conservatives under the bus.
Sportsmen for Santorum were always a good segment of his base support, and at my shooting club, many of the guys were very disappointed with him.
You from da Burgh?
More hogwash.
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