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George Will On Romney: The Republicans Have Found Their Michael Dukakis
Mediaite ^ | October 23, 2011 | James Crugnale

Posted on 10/23/2011 8:29:08 PM PDT by Eagle Forgotten

In a stinging comparison that is sure to leave a mark, on Sunday’s This Week With Christiane Amanpour, George Will said the rise of Herman Cain had a lot to do with Republicans coming to the realization that Mitt Romney is their Michael Dukakis. “A technocratic Massachusetts governor running on competence, not ideology,” Will observed.

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Will makes a very good point. I don't usually find Will to be as brilliant as he evidently thinks he is, but maybe his Romney-Dukakis analogy will get through to some of the establishment types who are half-heartedly backing Romney because they believe (falsely) that he has the best chance to win.
1 posted on 10/23/2011 8:29:16 PM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Perfect analogy!


2 posted on 10/23/2011 8:32:46 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

I could have told you that in 2007.


3 posted on 10/23/2011 8:32:54 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: Eagle Forgotten
Isn't Romney much more like Willie Horton than Dukakis?

Think of it this way. Horton became a political problem when the state of Massachusetts cut him loose for a weekend visit and he decided he needed to do a home invasion in Maryland where he beat the occupants and raped the wife.

Here we have the state of Massachusetts once again cutting loose a guy who'd earlier been housed and fed by the state government at public expense, and he's taken the opportunity to break into the Republican party where he's terrorizing the occupants (with a large wad of campaign cash), and for all we know may be joining Joe Biden in upping the rape rate.

I think we need to send Willard and Willy (if he's lose again) back home where they belong!

Oh, yeah, they offer FREE MEDICAL CARE for illegal aliens and there's going to be a hard winter this year. Mass is the place to be fur shur.

4 posted on 10/23/2011 8:36:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

“Stopped Clock Right Twice a Day” ping. Thanks Eagle Forgotten.


5 posted on 10/23/2011 8:37:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Frankly, I think either George is headed “round the bend” as the Brits say; or he is being facetious. For instance, this portion of his statement: “ “A technocratic Massachusetts governor running on competence, not ideology,”

I can’t remember anyone ever accusing Dukakis of being COMPETENT.....and with Romneycare smearing up his resume’ Mitt’s claim to competence doesn’t look real shiny, either....at least not to me!


6 posted on 10/23/2011 8:38:45 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Romney must not win the nomination!


7 posted on 10/23/2011 8:41:53 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: Eagle Forgotten

I have heard him compared to Michael Dukakis and Thomas Dewey.

If only the Republican party still had a Lee Atwater. This character wouldn’t be polling over 5% if we did.


8 posted on 10/23/2011 8:41:53 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Tucker39

I can see Will’s reasoning somewhat. After all, Dukakis was called, “Zorba the Clerk” after his technocratic, jello-spined, persona.


9 posted on 10/23/2011 8:43:03 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

He won’t.


10 posted on 10/23/2011 8:44:54 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Romney, Chsvez. Totalitarian stupid know it alls.


11 posted on 10/23/2011 8:45:52 PM PDT by MtnClimber (The left wants our power generated by unicorns running on treadmills. What dopes!)
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To: Eagle Forgotten
11 posts and no one posted this yet?


12 posted on 10/23/2011 8:47:21 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Nailed it!

13 posted on 10/23/2011 8:49:59 PM PDT by poindexter
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To: Eagle Forgotten
Romney the same as Dukaka? You've got to be kidding me.

Do these people know anything about politics? Dukaka was the biggest loser the dems have nominated in modern times.

Romney is certainly not the perfect candidate as far as conservatives are concerned but he is orders of magnitude better than Dukakis.

Sorry but this commentary is right up there with Juan Williams notion that if Sarah Palin gets in then Chris Christy would just have to enter the race. That one left me thinking, how in the world does this guy have a job as a political commentator.

14 posted on 10/23/2011 8:50:05 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Eagle Forgotten

lol!


15 posted on 10/23/2011 8:51:25 PM PDT by ken21
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To: Eagle Forgotten

I think it’s an apt analogy.

Are we sure that establishment Republicans want the GOP to win?

I’m not.


16 posted on 10/23/2011 8:52:53 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Madoff screwed the rich. Bernanke screwed us all.)
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To: Eagle Forgotten
The real mystery is why anyone thinks Romney has a chance to win. He has been running for President for about half his life, at least that is the way it seems. So far he has managed to garner between ten and twelve percent nationwide popularity. Outside of New England it's probably much lower than that.

About all he can do with the nomination is supress turnout for Republicans running for other offices.

17 posted on 10/23/2011 8:53:11 PM PDT by stevem
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To: precisionshootist

He’s black.


18 posted on 10/23/2011 8:55:08 PM PDT by rep-always
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Like we needed Will to point out Romney sucks. The only two things Will has ever done for me is cure my insomnia and make me (a former Baltimore resident) dislike the Orioles.


19 posted on 10/23/2011 8:56:48 PM PDT by edpc (Former Normalcy Bias Victim)
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To: stevem

“The real mystery is why anyone thinks Romney has a chance to win. He has been running for President for about half his life, at least that is the way it seems. So far he has managed to garner between ten and twelve percent nationwide popularity. Outside of New England it’s probably much lower than that.”

Exactly right. And don’t forget that if he somehow slithers in and becomes the nominee, the Obama billion dollar machine will have a field day making multiple ads with Romney in his own words debating himself. I don’t know if there’s ever been a candidate with so much transparent dishonesty in his positions.

I would argue that Romney is actually the only candidate that is a guaranteed loser against Obama (okay, we can ad Ron Paul in there too). The rest are more conservative and don’t have mile-long records of flip-flops. I just don’t know how the GOP elite can be so blind to all these facts staring them right in the face.


20 posted on 10/23/2011 9:06:32 PM PDT by lquist1
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To: Eagle Forgotten

I see lots of parallels here, if Mitt-Witt DOES become the GOP nominee, look for a weird and inverse re-creation of the 1960 ‘Rat ticket, aka the ‘Boston-Austin’ axis, with Mittens picking Rick Perry as his VP candidate.

The only difference?

That ticket will LOSE.


21 posted on 10/23/2011 9:10:22 PM PDT by mkjessup (Is Herman Cain the best conservative candidate? If you say "no", then tell me who IS!!)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Kudos to the inconsistent George Will. Got it right this time.


22 posted on 10/23/2011 9:19:52 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He Hate Me Uns)
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To: mkjessup

And don’t forget Dukakis picked Bentsen from out of Texas as well.


23 posted on 10/23/2011 9:23:34 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Kennedy, Kerry, Dukakis, Romney, - the last Presidential material from Massachusetts was John Adams.


24 posted on 10/23/2011 9:40:30 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Saw Dukakis a few months ago on TV. I guess he is some kind of professor now. Figures. But what struck me as funny is how bitter the little bastard is, even all these years after having been drubbed. Like Kerry. But Kerry has his wife’s millions that she lifted from the Ketchup King and Republican, John Heinz.


25 posted on 10/23/2011 9:56:34 PM PDT by CT
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To: PGR88

One of the biggest talking points to take down Obama is “OBAMACARE”

How can we use Obamacare as a weapon in debates with Obama if Romney is the nominee? We lose the entire argument since Obama will just comeback and talk about how Romney was in favor of Government healthcare as well...


26 posted on 10/23/2011 9:58:09 PM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: Lazlo in PA
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27 posted on 10/23/2011 10:02:43 PM PDT by Snowlinen
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To: Eagle Forgotten

A bad lip reading soundbite of Romney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9L9A1IMTQo


28 posted on 10/23/2011 10:06:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: mkjessup

The 1960 Rat ticket lost too. It’s just that Richard J. Daley “fixed” things.


29 posted on 10/23/2011 10:11:23 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: muawiyah
Instead of the White House send Mitt to Kolob.


30 posted on 10/23/2011 10:15:14 PM PDT by garjog
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To: CT

Dukakis was soundly kicked to the curb after he lost, discarded like a dirty rag. I think he is regarded as a mistake (to have selected as a candidate) and is resentful of never having been elevated to some kind of tribal elder. He’s nothing like Jimmy Carter, who despite his exalted position of being one of the worst presidents ever and a towering goofball, is somehow regarded as a great man by many. Kerry still commands some respect. Don’t ask me why. But Dukakis ended up being like a piece of spoiled meat, you just want to wrap it up, dispose of it, and not see it nor smell it any more nor think about ever having owned it.


31 posted on 10/23/2011 10:17:41 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Madoff screwed the rich. Bernanke screwed us all.)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Georgie Will actually gets it right for a change. Like they say about stopped clocks.

Pray for America


32 posted on 10/23/2011 10:20:36 PM PDT by bray (Join the Cain Mutiny, tell the IRS 9-9-9!)
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To: Eagle Forgotten

YES! And we know what happened to Dukakis. I am not backing Romney because of (a) Romneycare, and (b) it seems obvious to me that he is not a “winner.” The American people don’t see Mittens as such and thus will not vote for him. Plus he will be sure to pull that same “gentlemanly” cr*p that did in McCain, and he’ll probably concede on election night as soon as humanly possible, just like McCain.

Gimme a fighter this time! And that ain’t Romney.


33 posted on 10/23/2011 10:23:00 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Fuel up the Cain Train! Donate today! - - - https://www.hermancain.com/donate)
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To: Snowlinen

Too Funny. That could stick!


34 posted on 10/23/2011 10:26:40 PM PDT by bray (Join the Cain Mutiny, tell the IRS 9-9-9!)
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To: Snowlinen
You need to put Mitt Romney on the helmet to match Mike Dukakis.
35 posted on 10/23/2011 10:28:41 PM PDT by bray (Join the Cain Mutiny, tell the IRS 9-9-9!)
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To: Tucker39
I can’t remember anyone ever accusing Dukakis of being COMPETENT

Will's point is that both Dukakis and Romney have presented themselves in this way: Vote for me because I'm the most competent for the job.

36 posted on 10/23/2011 10:45:28 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Of the declared candidates: (1) Perry, (2) Cain. I'll happily vote for either if he's the nominee.)
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To: Snowlinen

Perfect. Lets spread that around and get this meme going.


37 posted on 10/23/2011 10:46:26 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Eagle Forgotten
Wow! George Will gets one right. Hit it out of the park even. lol

Someone get Mutt a tank.

38 posted on 10/23/2011 10:58:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: bray
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39 posted on 10/23/2011 11:06:57 PM PDT by Snowlinen
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Republicans got sold a bill of goods by the establishment when they were strapped with McCain, and then the people who did the selling jumped ship to go with Obama. The same people are selling Romney, and this time Republicans aren’t so eager to buy. Why go with an establishment politiomorph, when there is an honest, intelligent candidate like Cain?


40 posted on 10/24/2011 12:26:08 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Eagle Forgotten

First intelligent thing will has said in quite a while...


41 posted on 10/24/2011 12:39:58 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: precisionshootist
You wrote: Romney is certainly not the perfect candidate as far as conservatives are concerned but he is orders of magnitude better than Dukakis.

Will isn't saying that Romney and Dukakis are of equal merit in the eyes of conservatives. He's saying that Romney is to the Republican Party as Dukakis was to the Democratic Party: The governor who doesn't excite his party's base, but who hopes that his aura of managerial competence will win over independents.
42 posted on 10/24/2011 12:59:14 AM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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To: Eagle Forgotten

EXCELLENT!


43 posted on 10/24/2011 2:29:51 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

You thought Atwater was a conservative? I thought it was clear that Atwater’s only reason for being in politics was to get his picture in the paper. One thing that clinched it for me was his getting Buddy Roemer to switch parties.


44 posted on 10/24/2011 4:55:29 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

You thought Atwater was a conservative? I thought it was clear that Atwater’s only reason for being in politics was to get his picture in the paper. One thing that clinched it for me was his getting Buddy Roemer to switch parties.


45 posted on 10/24/2011 4:55:29 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Will makes a good point, but notice how Matthew Dowd, consummate GOP insider, paints Cain as an “outsider”.

Cain, for the record, has long been an insider, having been a lobbyist, co-chaired Steve Forbes’s campaign in 2000, making appearances for years for the Koch brothers’ Americans For Prosperity, etc.. But the Establishment wants to present him as an “outsider” to draw in all the tea party rubes.

Dowd, BTW, was a Democrat in TX up until 2000, and he was an Bushie insider, playing a key role in W’s reelection campaign in particular.


46 posted on 10/24/2011 5:10:04 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: rep-always
He’s black.

Romney will be black for you if it polls better...

I'm not sure I'm kidding.

47 posted on 10/24/2011 5:12:27 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Houghton M.
The 1960 Rat ticket lost too. It’s just that Richard J. Daley “fixed” things.

ABSOLUTELY right! And you have hit on a favorite topic of mine, which is how American history might have taken a drastically different turn had the LEGITIMATE winning political ticket of Richard Nixon and Henry Cabot Lodge contested the results, demanded a recount, and taken office.

First of all, there would have been consistency and continuity from the Eisenhower to the Nixon Administration, and we would very well have NOT had the Soviets via their proxy Castro playing missile games in Cuba. Why?

Khrushchev had already taken the measure of Nixon during their famous 'kitchen debate', and he had witnessed Nixon facing a possible sudden death by protesting mobs in South America, and he knew that Nixon was not somebody to screw around with. But Kennedy? He was an unproven and uncertain new Chief Executive and Khrushchev believed he could get away with pushing JFK around and except for an enormous series of lucky breaks on the part of JFK, we might very well have ended up in a nuclear war with the Soviets due to Moscow's political miscalculations, combined with JFK's inexperience.
48 posted on 10/24/2011 5:38:53 AM PDT by mkjessup (Is Herman Cain the best conservative candidate? If you say "no", then tell me who IS!!)
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To: 9YearLurker

“paints Cain as an “outsider”.”

Cain is a latter day Wendell Willkie. If Cain gets the nomination it will be the first time in 72 years that a republican with no political experience/baggage is the party nominee for president.

You might could say Willkie was the first ‘Tea Party’ candidate. His populist support won him the nomination over the likes of Robert Taft, Herbert Hoover and Thomas Dewey - the republican standard bearers of the day.

I’m making the analogy simply on the basis that neither Cain or Willkie have held political office before running for the presidency and both have strong business backgrounds.

I don’t know enough about Cain’s foreign policy views to make a comparison, although Willkie wrote a book called “One World” stating that economic interests will bind the nations into one world. That is certainly happening.

Willkie considered himself a classic liberal, but that term in the 1930-1940’s had a totally different connotation. It was the opposite of progressive ideology. Today, he would probably call himself a libertarian.

Willkie was once a democrat and held Wilson in high regard. Willkie was a lawyer who defended communists and Nazis. He called each case as he saw it in terms of individual liberty.

Willkie only garnered 80 some electoral votes in the election against FDR. The start of the war in Europe assured Roosevelt’s election to a third term.


49 posted on 10/24/2011 5:41:16 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: lquist1
I just don’t know how the GOP elite can be so blind to all these facts staring them right in the face.
That's easy.

The GOP elite would rather lose the WH and keep control of the party, than have a Tea Party candidate win the WH and with it control of the Republican Party.

The GOP elite care only about their own phony-baloney jobs in the party. They do not care about America or the rights and freedoms of its citizens.

50 posted on 10/24/2011 5:52:44 AM PDT by samtheman (Newt? Can you do it? Can you repudiate your time on the Pelosi couch?)
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