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Perry's Problem: Voters Think He's a Major A-Hole
red state ^ | 10-28-11 | brookhaven

Posted on 10/26/2011 7:27:45 PM PDT by Brookhaven

The Washington Post ran a story today about a group of Ohio voters here.  While the story centered around Herman Cain, there was a section buried deep in the story that offered an amazing insight into Rick Perry's current problems.

 At one point, Hart asked the participants to think back to fifth grade and the types of students they had encountered. From a list that included descriptions such as “teacher’s pet,” “loner,” “hard worker,” “nerd” and “know it all,” Hart asked them to write down which most applied to Cain, to Romney, to Perry and to Obama.

The majority described Cain as the classmate who was the “hard worker,” with others saying he was the “all-American kid” or “the kid everyone respects.”

In contrast, Perry left this group cold. If he is the person many GOP strategists believed was destined to challenge Romney for the nomination, no one had given that memo to these Ohioans.

In the fifth-grade exercise, eight of the 12 wrote down “bully” as the kind of kid he reminded them of. When the discussion turned to other attributes, he was described as the kind of neighbor others would not want to mess with, or someone who would build a fence around his property, or someone who would be in everybody else’s business.

“He wouldn’t be on the casserole committee,” said Sydney Mathis, a Democrat.

“Annoying,” said Lisa Cedrone, an independent voter who supported Obama in 2008 and is undecided today.

None of the descriptions are positive in any way. If you had to describe them in one word, it would be: a**hole. And not just you regular, every day, run-of-the-mill a**hole, but major a**hole.

I've believed Perry's problems were all about how he tripped up early—a couple of verbal gaffes and some poor debate performances. I also thought he could get back in the race by refining his message and showing up well in the debates. Now, I'm not so sure.

Erick Erickson has said many times on his radio show that the most likeable candidate always wins. I'm not sure if I buy that, but I am sure the reverse is true: the most disliked candidate never wins. Given the above statements by Ohio voters, Rick Perry's problems have nothing to do with his policy positions or debate performances, and everything to do with how voters perceive him personally.

PS

Yes, I know I could have used another word here, but no other seemed to get the job done. Language is a toolbox. Sometimes you need to use a paint brush to apply just the right shade of meaning, and sometimes you need a big hammer to make your point.


TOPICS: Campaign News
KEYWORDS: amnesty; bully; formerdemocrat; heartless; openborders; perry; rino
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To: chesty_puller

I was mocking the name calling with FACTS.


51 posted on 10/26/2011 8:42:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Brookhaven

It takes an asshole to post a vanity calling a conservative candidate an asshole.


52 posted on 10/26/2011 8:42:20 PM PDT by pgkdan (("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Quicksilver
How could it be a taxpayer subsidy? I read that Texas would lose money if the in-state tuition law was repealed.

Here's a shocker for you Hg...

I don't believe everything you read.

53 posted on 10/26/2011 8:42:25 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: chesty_puller

No worries.


54 posted on 10/26/2011 8:42:28 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

There is a lot of oil in Ohio/Pa

Rick Perry has a plan to put people to work getting it.
I used to build oil well caps in Ohio, but that was a long time ago and an EPA away.


55 posted on 10/26/2011 8:47:27 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

There is a lot of Coal in Oh/Pa/Wv

Rick Perry plans to put it to work for the US economy.
He isn’t putting them out of business.


56 posted on 10/26/2011 8:50:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40

I’m not shocked at all. You don’t believe much of what I write either. LOL! It does appear that Texas would lose money if that famous law was repealed.


57 posted on 10/26/2011 8:53:14 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: Brookhaven
“Annoying,” said Lisa Cedrone, an independent voter who supported Obama in 2008 and is undecided today.

So Perry's not just an a-hole, he's an annoying a-hole!

Well, IMHO, voting for Obama in 2008 makes Lisa Cedrone an annoying a-hole too!

58 posted on 10/26/2011 8:54:50 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Quicksilver

The fact is that the Texas legislature passed that bill 10 years ago by and unvetoable margin and the state comptroller says it saves Texans money.

Texas has NOT been in an uproar to repeal this STATE issue over the past decade and people who are trying to make it Perry’s Nadir are disingenuous.

It is controversial, but much of why the law came about is that the Federal gov had our backs to the wall, by not deporting.
As Texans we had to make due with that situation.
Texans do not have the authority to deport illegals.
All we can do is hand them to the FEDS.


59 posted on 10/26/2011 9:01:59 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

I pray that we can walk and chew gum at the same time here in America and that we don’t fall to such juvenile peer pressure as I have seen regarding Perry the “Bully”


60 posted on 10/26/2011 9:08:24 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Longbow1969
There is a simple and reliable explanation for why Perry comes across this way. The deficit that pundits are trying to grasp is a lack of charisma. The guy just doesn't wash.

Now, why. Well, the essence of charisma is a sense of totally authentic conviction, without any internal ambivalence or conflict. I give you Ronald Reagan as an example of a man with deep convictions and without self-doubt, and you see the result. Herman Cain has some of it, which is why he thrives, despite rookie stumbles and fumbles--he comes across as real.

Perry comes across as studied--forming his own positions as he goes along. And the people sense it. Example: if he is so shot with the flat tax, why didn't he introduce it months ago? Answer: because he really doesn't give a shit, but realized that if he didn't come up with something, Cain and even Romney would steal the issue. So he heaved one up. Sorry, no sale.

61 posted on 10/26/2011 9:58:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Perry has LOTS of charisma. He just needs to show it with one-on-one interviews. All we’ve seen is the debate format, which is not his strong point.


62 posted on 10/26/2011 10:14:59 PM PDT by independent in tx
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To: independent in tx

If the folks think Obama will eat him alive in debate he will not be supported by the majority of conservatives. That is the truth.


63 posted on 10/26/2011 10:18:22 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: independent in tx

So if Perry got the nomination what does he do when it’s time to debate Obama?


64 posted on 10/26/2011 10:21:32 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

He’d send a teleprompter to the debate. ;) Seriously, Rick Perry would do fine up against Zero in a so-called debate.


65 posted on 10/26/2011 10:41:12 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: mylife

You’re preaching to the choir, FRiend. :) I have no problem with Texans exercising states’ rights under the 10th.


66 posted on 10/26/2011 10:52:36 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: plain talk

That throat is just asking for it.


67 posted on 10/26/2011 10:54:35 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Quicksilver
He'd hire an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT to debate for him.
68 posted on 10/26/2011 10:57:11 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Hmmmm. The thing that most comes to mind when I think of Perry is "obnoxious smug simpleton". If I had to pick which GOP candidate fit the description "@$$hole" the best, I'd probably pick Newt Gingrich (but I'm biased on that one because he's the only one of the current candidates I met face to face -- I could have met Ron Paul but wisely avoided him -- so I got to see Newt's douchebaggery in person.

On the other hand, if were choosing which candidate's SUPPORTERS are best described as "@ssholes"... Perrybots win by a wide margin. Even the delusional "Ron Paul rLOVEution!!!" internet spammers are mild in comparison. Plus you know what you'll get from them... "say no to endless war, vote for liberty, only Ron Paul understands the constitution, everyone else in a neo-con..." blah blah blah. But the Perrybots come up with new BS every week.

69 posted on 10/26/2011 11:24:21 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Rick Perry, the governor with a heart... for illegal aliens.)
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To: BillyBoy

Well Billboy, I’ll never change your mind on Perry. You’ve already staked your claim somewhere else. I read your signature tag line there. I get it. Does that make me an asshole?


70 posted on 10/26/2011 11:47:16 PM PDT by bullypulpit (Developer of http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: Brookhaven

‘So...You hired a dick to find an asshole.’
—Barfly


71 posted on 10/27/2011 12:09:17 AM PDT by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: bullypulpit
My mind was made up before Perry announced... seen his record as Governor of TX over the past decade. I'd vote for him over Obama if that was the choice, but suffice it to say he'll never be my first choice in a GOP primary. I find it unfortunate his fans talked him into running for President and now he's helping split the conservative vote.

Generally, this has been my experience with Perry supporters:

1) Perry supporters come up with some new spin-of-the-week why Perry is such a great tea party conservative (stuff like "Al Gore was more conservative than most Republicans when Perry endorsed him")

2) I respond that latest virtue being touted about Perry is untrue.

3) Perry supporters call me a liar.

4) I post irrefutable evidence that their claim is untrue (in the aforementioned example, proof of Al Gore's far left voting record in 1988)

5) Perry supporters respond by calling me a "HATER"/"BIGOT"/"PURIST" ... (e.g. "You just HATE bible beliving Christians, don't you?! Well, nobody's PERFECT! You anti-immigrant BIGOTS never give up!)

6) Return to step #1 the next week.

72 posted on 10/27/2011 12:11:56 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Rick Perry, the governor with a heart... for illegal aliens.)
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To: BillyBoy
I met Perry in 2001. In Del Rio, working border security issues. I've watched him grow into the role, and for the most part, his 10 year record, I think, is very good.

His "tea party" persona didn't emerge until the tea party emerged. Perry identified with it, and joined the fray. I don't think it was insincere. It was a good fit. Perry's attraction to the tea party was what most of us saw: The violation of the will of the people with that Obamacare push-through. Perry had to deal with the extra costs, and etc. of this overreach. And the tea parties gave Perry a great forum for his excellent speeches.

I don't think Al Gore was more conservative, and I imagine Perry was holding his nose in 1988 when he endorsed him. I don't think that the Republican party was a great vehicle for an upstart west Texan politician to begin a political career in 1984. I published this about the Al Gore issue. (Opens in new window)

The immigration issue was handled badly. But then again, there are a ton of people with agendas to not have Perry succeed. I fear that Romney will be forgiven for giving health insurance to illegals, and Perry will continue to be punished. It's too bad, because no one running for POTUS 2012 understands the intricacies of border security more than Perry.

If you watched what he did in Texas, you know he's pretty serious about slashing spending and implementing his against-the-Washington-grain revenue 'de-enhancement' that his flat tax will cause. And that's the agenda of many who opposed Perry: They have to stop Perry before he really does what he says he'll do. He will be their undoing. Perry is running against the Establishment without the right (the guys who should be supporting him) having his back. He's got a long row to hoe.

You ain't a liar. Change your mind, dammit!

73 posted on 10/27/2011 12:48:44 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Developer of http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: bullypulpit; BillyBoy; South40; BobL; Liz; Impy

The problem with you Perry supporters remains this: What you want to see and hope to see where he is concerned doesn’t correspond with what is the reality and what he is. Too much bending, excusing, rationalizing, historical revisionism and plain outright lying comes with having to place him within the realm of Conservatism or the Tea Party.

What the rest of us see is an opportunist who has been a mediocre Governor who has stayed in office far beyond a reasonable amount of time (I don’t care who you are, but running for reelection to a chief executive position that will take you to 14 consecutive years in office is outrageous — nobody should serve more than 8, and in some cases, going past 6 even for the best leaders isn’t good). I consider him one of the luckiest individuals in TX politics, but that merely means he happened to get into certain jobs because exclusively of timing. A big problem for him is that he is utterly incompetent at debating. He was terrified of facing his Democrat opponent in 2010, but only because (again) of the timing could he get away with dodging. As a Presidential candidate, you can’t do that.

Yet another problem is that he is far too typical of so many politicians in that he is a terrible panderer. I recall then-former Governor Lamar! Alexander in his first Senate run over 20 years after he had last been a party nominee making all these shameless promises and panderings to “be Conservative” and it all rung so very hollow (as his years in the Senate have proven to be). He throws out ridiculous red meat statements thinking that will get the Tea Party to love him (from nonsense like secession or even the birth certificate question). It looks weak and very desperate. This is all just the tip of the iceberg which has been covered ad infinitum.

BTW, the “lead RINO” Slick Willard is not exempt from those criticisms, but I wrote scores of pieces on him and his psychological motivations during the last go around. Willard is almost coldly soulless, but I don’t wish to dwell on him.

Lastly, what irks me is an oft-made talking point from the Perry camp which I’ve refuted just as many times, and it has to do with political affiliation. Having studied the rise of the GOP in the South in the modern era, it is laughably ridiculous to make the claim that a politician starting out in 1984 couldn’t hope to rise to a position of prominence as a Republican. West Texas elected a Republican to Congress (in the modern era) in 1950 and again in 1962, 1966 and effectively ever after. You might’ve had a point making such a claim a half-century ago, but it defies the imagination to say that in 1984. What Perry supporters are loathe to admit is that he didn’t want to serve or run as a Republican, he was a loyal Democrat and wished to remain as such, and only after seeing that remaining one would halt an advancement statewide, did he switch (and at Karl Rove’s urging, that paragon of Conservatism).

You see, it’s all these little things that add up to why we don’t find him particularly palatable. It’s not just him, of course, but a whole plethora of politicians that now are undeniably establishment in nature who may talk a good game but aren’t really going to make the kinds of necessary and drastic changes that must be made if our country is to be saved. Perry just doesn’t believe in them deep down, as frankly he has never moved very far afield from that Carter Democrat that he was, the same one who could endorse Gore or Giuliani for President.

We’ve waited too long for the changes to be made. We waited for Bush, Sr. to do it and he failed, Clinton wouldn’t, Dubya didn’t and Zero won’t. Replacing one big government party politician with a different letter of the party alphabet won’t work anymore. We’ve got to look elsewhere, and that’s why we’re going with Cain. If he fails us, we go on to the next, but I can only judge by the person running and that they’re not going to miraculously do a 180 from what they’ve done for their entire political career. It just will never pass the smell test.


74 posted on 10/27/2011 1:55:53 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: BillyBoy

Still supporting Mitt Romney-THE Backstabbing A-Hole?


75 posted on 10/27/2011 3:17:14 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Brookhaven
I like him because he is forceful. Both he and Palin exude "Do screw with me". Which is exactly what we need. McCain is the guy who reaches across the aisles to work with his "friends". /
76 posted on 10/27/2011 6:05:33 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Quicksilver

I don’t see your logic he can’t debate fellow candidates, but he would be more than able to handle Obama? Where’s the logic in that? He did worse when he went in to a debate with gloves off and with Obama the gloves would surely be off.


77 posted on 10/27/2011 7:33:51 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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bump!


78 posted on 10/27/2011 7:49:21 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: South40; org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; fieldmarshaldj; Condor51; ..

Rick went to Anita and complained, “Voters think I’m an a-hole.

Anita was not sympathetic.

She said, “That sounds familiar. When I told my Dad I was gonna marry you, he replied, ‘You gonna marry that a-hole?’”


79 posted on 10/27/2011 7:50:54 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: magritte
My friend was a classmate of Perry at A&M. He said Perry was a great guy.




ROTFLMYBARACKOFF!


YOU'RE NOSE IS SO FAR UP HIS BARACK YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT OTHERS SEE!

Now, he's not going to participate in some of the remaining debates.

That'll go over "really" good. /s
I met him in person, talked with him, he kissed me on my right cheek, held my throw away camera while he took the picture of us together, and he *is* a nice guy. Very charming, friendly and personable... in a Frat boy way.

Trouble is, he came into the race, unprepared and he made some huge mistakes: the big one, was his poor choice of words,"you don't have a heart" and also sparing with the POS Romney instead of going after The Marxist.

He should have been himself and now it's too late.

Professional handlers are always wrong, and unprepared candidates always fail.

80 posted on 10/27/2011 8:13:44 AM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR, so support it! Compiling New Sarah Ping List. Let me know if you want on it.)
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Your
81 posted on 10/27/2011 8:22:30 AM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR, so support it! Compiling New Sarah Ping List. Let me know if you want on it.)
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To: onyx

I still support Rick Perry.


82 posted on 10/27/2011 8:37:27 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: onyx
I met him in person, talked with him, he kissed me on my right cheek,

I met Rudy Giuliani, shook his hand and talked with him. He seemed like a real nice man. But that doesn't mean I want him to be my president -- I don't.

Perry is painfully ill-equipped to run a national campaign. Texans, and some of the more liberal/moderate FReepers, may be receptive of his liberal style of conservatism but conservatives from all around the country are not. Thus, he is polling in single digits in many states.

83 posted on 10/27/2011 9:34:47 AM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: Diogenesis; fieldmarshaldj
I have never voted for, endorsed, or promoted Mitt Romney's candidacy. In fact, when this forum was taken over by Mittwitts after the '08 primary who DEMANDED Romney get to be McCain's veep or we "hate Mormons", I was one of the most outspoken OPPONENTS of having Romney on the ticket.

Diogenesis, are you still supporting Romney's Texas twin, Slick Rick?

84 posted on 10/27/2011 11:50:51 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Rick Perry, the governor with a heart... for illegal aliens.)
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To: Kartographer

I’m not basing it on logic. I base it on having watched presidential debates going back to the 1960s. They rarely change the outcome. At that point in the campaign, both sides are going after the 10 - 15 percent undecided vote, and both candidates are usually very tightly scripted.


85 posted on 10/27/2011 3:31:01 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: Quicksilver

Sorry I don’t follow, maybe if you brought a few rounds and explained it again.


86 posted on 10/27/2011 3:42:26 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I’m talking about presidential debates, not primary debates. Did you pay close attention to the McCain-Obama, Bush-Kerry, and Bush-Gore debates?


87 posted on 10/27/2011 4:05:56 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: Quicksilver

Make mine a double please.


88 posted on 10/27/2011 5:25:35 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Diogenesis; BillyBoy

Dio, I don’t think you meant to attack Billy. He doesn’t support Slick Willard.


89 posted on 10/27/2011 6:40:53 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Kartographer

You’ll have to do better than that if you want a double. You’re lagging.


90 posted on 10/27/2011 7:08:31 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: Quicksilver

Well I don’t want to get so sloshed I vote for Perry even by accident.


91 posted on 10/27/2011 7:30:43 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Good point. You should stay sober so you will vote for Rick Perry knowingly.


92 posted on 10/27/2011 7:53:56 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: Quicksilver

Sorry won’t happen. I will not vote again for anyone I don’t believe in. If that means Obama wins so be it, but there are somethings that stick in a man’s craw worse than dieing and voting for someone I truly in my heart do not believe in is one of them.

To be honest and not as an insult Rick Perry reminds me of a Christian version of Lyndon Johnson they both have the same swagger. I lived in Texas for four years meet a lot of good people and Texans are Texans the brag comes with them and you learn to live with it, but then every once in a great while you meet someone that is a Texan to tenth degree and you just can stand to be around them.

That’s as honest as I can be about it and me no disrespect to anyone.


93 posted on 10/27/2011 8:13:59 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

That is as it should be, IMO. You should vote for the candidate that’s right for you.

Texans are tough minded people, I greatly admire them.


94 posted on 10/27/2011 8:46:26 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: texas_mrs
My husband was a classmate of Perry’s at A&M. He was an asshole.

And you still married him? /rim-shot>

Cheers!

95 posted on 10/28/2011 4:31:00 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: chesty_puller
“He wouldn’t be on the casserole committee,” said Sydney Mathis, a Democrat.

Perry, just like me, has no idea what the hell a casserole committee is.

Yeah, we Minnesotans know it's really called a "hot-dish."

Hold the lutefisk.

Cheers!

96 posted on 10/28/2011 4:32:15 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: mylife
Perry has been on the receiving end of non stop bullying and he gets pegged as the bully?

Well, if it makes you feel any better.

But only because you insisted...

Cheers!

97 posted on 10/28/2011 4:33:56 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Brookhaven

My very first impression of Perry was that he was a complete phony and most likely, not a nice person. Nothing I’ve seen since that time has changed my opinion.


98 posted on 10/28/2011 4:35:14 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: grey_whiskers

LOL! My husband will love your ‘gothca’!


99 posted on 10/28/2011 7:26:01 AM PDT by texas_mrs (Heartless Conservative & Native Texan)
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To: bullypulpit; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy
Perry says that the Gore experience helped him to “come to his senses,”

Yes that's nice. But Gore was already liberal in 1988. This has been proven by myself and others, don't bother arguing with it, his voting record bares it out. So he can't claim the excuse that Gore was conservative or even moderate (it's irrelevant if he wasn't quite as liberal as Dukakis he was still a liberal and pro-choice) unless he's admitting to being stupid enough to believe any right-of-center rhetoric Gore may have been spewing. I don't think he was stupid, I think he was just going along with his party, Gore was the choice of his rat party bosses. He and his supporters should have just come out and said "I/He was wrong" instead of making the excuses. There are no excuses.

Perry's democrat beginnings and switch in 1989 when it became crystal clear that the rat party was gonna die in Texas makes clear to me what Perry primarily cares about, his own power.

100 posted on 10/28/2011 4:11:07 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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