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GOP Strategist: We Don't Need a Palin on the Ticket ("We don't have any moderates running")
The National Journal ^ | November 1, 2011 | Kathy Kiely

Posted on 11/02/2011 12:37:11 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Republicans won't need to put a candidate like Sarah Palin on the presidential ticket this year, veteran party strategist Charlie Black says, because the candidates are already conservative enough.

Asked at National Journal's Election Preview on Tuesday whether he thought the party might name a vice presidential candidate like Sarah Palin, whose addition to the GOP 2008 presidential ticket excited conservatives -- but also turned off independent voters -- Black argued such a pick won't be necessary given the current crop of presidential candidates.

"We don't have any moderates running," Black said. "I don't think there will be any need to do philosophical balance."


TOPICS: Campaign News; Parties
KEYWORDS: 2012; charlieblack; gop; palin; rinos; romney4romney; romneybot4rinos; romneybot4romney; romneydirt
First of all, where's the proof that Governor Palin "turned off independent voters" in 2008? Secondly, "We don't have any moderates running" he says? Does he work for Milt Romney or Jon Huntsman?
1 posted on 11/02/2011 12:37:14 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; BlackElk
First, let me state that for a number of reasons I don't believe Palin would be a wise #2 pic, despite the act that I had been all in for her candidacy. She doesn't need the position to be elected POTUS later. She can do plenty as Sec. of Energy, including dismantling the department. Keep her in true executive roles. "We don't have any moderates running," Black said.

Okay, Elk, what gives here? You have always said nice things about Charlie Black. But Romney and Huntsman are no conservatives. Too much DC water?!
2 posted on 11/02/2011 1:10:59 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.--1970s PSA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People like Charlie Black can go straight to hell. I’m sure he will find like-minded friends there.


3 posted on 11/02/2011 1:15:55 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The candidates are all conservative?

Romney?

Huntsman?

Seriously?

You can’t fix the way this man’s mind is working folks. Here is a prime example of someone who is a member of the political class and arena who is completely disconnected from the average Republican voter. He is either intentionally lying to alter the course of the election, or he has lost the ability to judge a person’s character in the real world. Either way, he’s another example of why we need to vote everyone out of Washington and start over. He thinks this way and has advised almost every Republican presidential candidate for over three decades.

And he calls all of this year’s candidates conservative.

See the problem? Whoever he is advising is hearing this from an “expert”. Hear it enough and it starts to sink in.

If his bio on Wikipedia can be trusted, he worked in the Reagan campaign... but he has been involved in presidential campaigns from Goldwater all the way to McCain in 2008. That’s active in the political arena since 1964... since he was in high school. An expert at the game perhaps but he has never stepped away from it.

I hate saying this of a fellow Republican, but he IS out of touch to say this in public. And beyond that, simply wrong in his assessment.


4 posted on 11/02/2011 1:45:22 AM PDT by Advil000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Black is a RINO. He worked for HW Bush and McCRap


5 posted on 11/02/2011 2:09:55 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Advil000; antceecee; Dr. Sivana; personalaccts
> "We don't have any moderates running"

duh? Mitt Romney???
This 'strategist' must be the STUPIDEST idiot in the world!
Can he be run out of the GOP on a rail?




Charlie Black, campaign adviser to the Republican presidential hopeful John McCain.



OH, Gee, THAT explains why he is dumber than a box of rocks!@#$%

6 posted on 11/02/2011 2:13:59 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Palin has done so much harm to her “name” by leading her supporters on for months on end (”Game on, Mr. President”) only to say she can’t run because Track and Willow voted “no”.

I know, I was one. She is done. Finished. Not to be trusted.


7 posted on 11/02/2011 2:37:42 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Unfortunately, Black wouldn't recognize a "moderate" because he IS one himself.

A "moderate" to Black would be someone more to the left of himself, thus "no need for a conservative" as there are simply no "moderates" in GOP race.

8 posted on 11/02/2011 2:42:22 AM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
... like Sarah Palin, whose addition to the GOP 2008 presidential ticket excited conservatives -- but also turned off independent voters --

Charlie Black is a liar. Independent does not equal moderate. Moderate does equal liberal. And liberals did vote for Obama.

9 posted on 11/02/2011 2:48:46 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Future Useless Eater

It’s true that we don’t have moderates running. Romney is a liberal.


10 posted on 11/02/2011 3:10:37 AM PDT by zeebee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...actually I partially agree with that.

If we can put a REAL CONSERVATIVE at the top of the ticket, then Palin is not needed nearly as much as she was in 2008.

But with Romney/Perry still running, we still may not end up with a real conservative.


11 posted on 11/02/2011 3:22:58 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Romney)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too a Socialist like this Putz Romney looks conservative.


12 posted on 11/02/2011 3:25:28 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I finally bought Sarah Palin’s “Undefeated” bundled with her audio book version of “Going Rogue” this week. I’m mad all over again about the way she was treated.

Republican National Committee: Listen very closely, lean in closer so I can whisper in your ear....

YOU F’N BASTARDS WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER DOLLAR OUT OF ME IF YOU DON’T BACK REAL ACTUAL CONSERVATIVES, REFORMERS, AND SARAH PALINS!!! QUIT CALLING ME UNTIL YOU SHOW ME YOU’RE SERIOUS ABOUT SUPPORTING CANDIDATES WE WANT!!!! IF YOU KEEP SHOVING MCCAINS, ROMNEYS, AND HUNTSMANS DOWN OUR THROATS, WE’RE LEAVING.

Oh, I hope that wasn’t too ambiguous. Why do I have to argue with Republican fund raisers? Shouldn’t I be arguing with Democrats? What the FRACK?


13 posted on 11/02/2011 3:33:10 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Advil000

Maybe he is just letting the cat out of the bag on the internals that the moderates are toast.


14 posted on 11/02/2011 3:39:13 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Future Useless Eater; BlackElk
This 'strategist' must be the STUPIDEST idiot in the world!

That's the problem ... he's NOT stupid.

I want to know why he is lying.
15 posted on 11/02/2011 3:58:20 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.--1970s PSA)
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To: Reagan69
"I know, I was one. She is done. Finished. Not to be trusted."

The traditional loyalty order goes:
1) God
2) Family
3) Country

I'm disappointed she is not running, but putting her family ahead of her country shows integrity and God will honor that (regardless of whether you honor that or not).

16 posted on 11/02/2011 4:02:39 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That first sentence of the excerpt tells me this guy is one of the GOP elitist RINO’s that is, and has been instrumental redefining Conservatism to the Left.

Their goal is to muddy the waters with their version of Conservatism of which all true Conservatives find abhorent, and know is BS.

Independents, and others that stay arms length from politics until election day are subject to believing the RINO BS version of Conservatism, and voting for the likes of Romney.

This tactic is blatant with the RINO’s. It’s one of the reasons the RINO’s are so afraid of the TEA Party IMO as the TEA Party is a threat to their ability to continue to muddy those waters.


17 posted on 11/02/2011 4:04:19 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Advil000

Romney and Huntsman aren’t Moderates; they aren’t conservatives; they are liberals.


18 posted on 11/02/2011 4:05:43 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Does he work for Milt Romney or Jon Huntsman?

Romney and Huntsman are too liberal to be considered moderate.

19 posted on 11/02/2011 4:12:32 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"We don't have any moderates running," Black said. "I don't think there will be any need to do philosophical balance."


20 posted on 11/02/2011 4:15:19 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: Advil000

I caught some of hugh Hewitt’s program Tues. He’s a HUGE supporter of Romney and wrote a book about him during 2008 campaign.

Last night HH stated, “Romney is a Midwestern conservative and is NOT a Rockerfeller Republican”.

These people have no clue....just like leftwing liberals/socialists.


21 posted on 11/02/2011 4:16:32 AM PDT by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
LIES... LIES... LIES... snake oil salesman selling snake oil... cures everything... won't rust bust or collect dust... makes child birth a mere pleasure. Yeah right... FOAD party elite... the party is OVER for your ilk!

LLS

22 posted on 11/02/2011 4:40:27 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Charlie Black is full of mitt.


23 posted on 11/02/2011 4:40:59 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (I'm an AmeriCain!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Black is RomneyBOT. Does that explain this?

"Texan helped McCain secure Romney endorsement
AUSTIN – The decision by Mitt Romney to endorse John McCain didn't just happen, of course. It took a Texan who knows something about uniting fierce political rivals.
John Weaver, Mr. McCain's former political guru, was the intermediary who initiated talks between the two sides that led to Mr. Romney's announcement of support.
...Here's how the two came to make a joint appearance Thursday in Boston: Last week, Mr. Weaver got a call from McCain aides Charlie Black and Steve Schmidt, who asked if he would help broker an endorsement.
Mr. Weaver, who had left the McCain campaign in last year's shakeup, is a longtime friend of Beth Myers, Mr. Romney's campaign manager.."

24 posted on 11/02/2011 4:41:18 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Reagan69

“I know, I was one. She is done. Finished. Not to be trusted.”

Reagan, this is getting embarassing; you are acting like a woman scorned.


25 posted on 11/02/2011 5:36:32 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Reagan69

I was disappointed, too. Still, at least she didn’t do a full “Fred Thompson” on us.


26 posted on 11/02/2011 6:00:39 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: antceecee

Wasn’t Charlie Black originally a staffer for Jesse Helms? If so, and I may be wrong, he must have thought he was smarter than ol’ Jesse, who managed only to win five consecutive elections in NC without compromising a single principle.


27 posted on 11/02/2011 3:29:48 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Dr. Sivana
I was friendly with Charlie Black forty + years ago when he was a national staffer (college director IIRC) for Young Americans for Freedom. He was from Florida and he was one of the more dependably principled people in the national office. He went on Jesse Helms staff when Helms was elected to the Senate. By 1976, Charlie was a bit less admirable personally but still quite solid politically and he was a national staffer for Reagan's challenge to Gerald Ford.

By 1980, Charlie had entered into a political management partnership with Paul Manafort and Roger Stone. The late Lee Atwater was employed by the firm. That firm had one year when it represented three competing GOP POTUS candidates, probably 1988 with Bush the Elder, Dole and a third candidate whose identity I forget. Once the firm was established, money became its primary objective for all of the partners. Atwater was assigned to handle Bush the Elder which was regarded by movement conservatives as Atwater getting the booby prize.

Charlie as an idealistic young guy and Charlie as a money-chasing businessman are very different personalities. I am afraid that his original principles have faded badly.

If he is saying that there are no moderates in the field, that probably means that he or what may be left of the firm are on Romney's payroll.

David Keene, who was YAF National Chairman in the late 1960s, also followed the path to cash over principle. He actually took a paycheck from Bush the Elder to work against Ronaldus Maximus in 1980.

The YAF folks who stayed in Washington, DC, instead of going home to be politically active were subject to being compromised by the political system in DC and in the GOP.

The conservative movement badly needs a new YAF (and the Paulistinian/anarcholibertarian Young Americans for Liberty is NOT it) as a training ground for a new and uncorrupted generation of genuinely conservative young leaders. Bill Buckley founded the first YAF at his family's home in Sharon, Connecticut on 9/22/60. A very vestigial organization still exists as Young Americans for Freedom. The alumni of YAF formed the more effective Young America's Foundation. Ron Robinson is the key figure there.

Romney is no conservative. Huntsman is no conservative. I must add that Ron Paul is no conservative (particularly n foreign/military policy/moral issues where he is a do nothing and a variety of other issues. The heart of genuine American conservatism is Fusionism, a combination of libertarian and traditionalist views into one movement devised by the late Frank S. Meyer and described in his 1962 book In Defense of Freedom.

Charlie Black's problem is too much easily available RINO cash. He is comforting himself and self-deluding by claiming the likes of Romney and Huntsman as "not moderate."

28 posted on 11/02/2011 4:03:30 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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